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I don't suppose anyone else watched the unintelligible rambling of a confused man during his first press conference? It was painful to watch, not just because the majority of what was said was vacuous - but also because of the level of spite evident in the few things that were said clearly.
I'm sure I'm not the only person taking note of this
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Breotan wrote: In other news, President Obama has ended the "wet foot dry foot" policy that allowed Cuban expats to gain permanent resident status in the US. This is just one part of the overall diplomatic strategy the President has chosen as the way forward in normalizing relations with Cuba.
Yeah... what an donkey-cave.
But you gotta hand it to Obama, he's trying to paint Drumpf into a corner.
Does he reverse it when he's inaugurated? Raising his stature with the Cubans in Florida?
If he does, how does he square his anti-illegal immigration stance?
In my view, the only way he can is to distinguish that Cubans fleeing are political refugees.
But, yeah... dick move.
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Wulfmar wrote: I don't suppose anyone else watched the unintelligible rambling of a confused man during his first press conference? It was painful to watch, not just because the majority of what was said was vacuous - but also because of the level of spite evident in the few things that were said clearly.
I'm sure I'm not the only person taking note of this
THe media has gone the deep end since the 2000 election...
As such, the view from the right side of the political spectrum wanted a politician to "take on the media".
Enter Trump. That's what he did during the campaign... and it's what he'll do as President.
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So, here's the thing. Like I said, I watched the end-ish of it and at around the first section of what I watched, I thought, "well, ok, the hand thing is a bit annoying, but hey, that's a thing that American's do." I wasn't liking what he said or anything but I was very much along the lines of, "ok, so, bad president, fine. World can survive that. Maybe all the horrible stuff is just campaigning or being a private individual with an audience, or actually, even yes, 'locker room talk' - Heck, I've known plenty of jerks in my life..."
But when he got onto that point there at the start of that highlight video from Auntie Beeb (now there's another 'beauty'). There's just no two ways about it, that is goddamned scary scary stuff. That is, "I will lead the planet to hell itself as long as people cheer me and I get to look tough."
I literally do not have the vocabulary to express my response to it all.
Wulfmar wrote: I don't suppose anyone else watched the unintelligible rambling of a confused man during his first press conference? It was painful to watch, not just because the majority of what was said was vacuous - but also because of the level of spite evident in the few things that were said clearly.
I'm sure I'm not the only person taking note of this
They don't care, as long as they get to take away reproductive rights from women and uninsure millions of people and put up the vastly "better" health savings accounts.
Wonder how long till the people that voted to put Trump in office and give the GOP control of the Senate and House realize that they're going to be some of the first victims of the dismantling of the ACA
To be honest, the ACA was the subject he was talking about and I was thinking, "maybe it is all a bit hysteria."
I mean, it's really no secret that the ACA was the best thing that could be implemented at the time with an obstructive congress and, even in the UK, I'm aware that it has many, many shortcomings.
But, hypothetically, in a sane world, it would not be unrealistic for a Republican controlled government to repeal and replace it with something called something else, but is basically the same thing with a Republican flavour to it.
- One of the things that happens in the UK is with each new Prime Minister or new government, the education system is completely torn up and reorganised. It's happened so many times it's practically a tradition. Sometimes it's better, sometimes it's worse. Most of the time it's generally both in slightly different ways to the last time.
d-usa wrote: But the like the ACA, it's ObamaCare that they don't like.
Hence the main problem, ignorance, willful or otherwise
I am in the heart of Trump country. I think I will go to work tomorrow and ask some people who hate Obamacare what they think of the new TrumpHealth initiative. I'm sure I'll get some enthusiastic support for manadatory coverage, exchanges, and pre-existing coverage protection.
So, you know the big attack on the journalist during Trump's news-conference he's so proud of. The people who clapped are literally paid staffers. Jesus Christ America, who have you elected? He has literally paid people to be a crowd, to make him look clever.
d-usa wrote: But the like the ACA, it's ObamaCare that they don't like.
Sorry Peregrine, too many swear words in the image. If you blot them out feel free to reupload
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
My question to that is, sure you want Obama care gone, sure, whatever. I kinda don't want one of the guys in my online gaming group who is currently receiving cancer treatment under the ACA to die. Pretty sure he doesn't want to either.
This isn't about political pointscoring, or one team good and one team bad. Or even there being idiots on the internet (God knows on a country of 300+ million there's going to be a fair few).
This is about people's actual lives and whether they'll continue to have one or not.
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Compel wrote: My question to that is, sure you want Obama care gone, sure, whatever. I kinda don't want one of the guys in my online gaming group who is currently receiving cancer treatment under the ACA to die. Pretty sure he doesn't want to either.
Republicans have no alternative beyond the "put money into the bank to pay for your future medical bills" plan. Hopefully this will be the death knell for the factions of the party that have pulled it so far to the right.
Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
Compel wrote: My question to that is, sure you want Obama care gone, sure, whatever. I kinda don't want one of the guys in my online gaming group who is currently receiving cancer treatment under the ACA to die. Pretty sure he doesn't want to either.
Republicans have no alternative beyond the "put money into the bank to pay for your future medical bills" plan. Hopefully this will be the death knell for the factions of the party that have pulled it so far to the right.
That's simply not true as they have put forward numerous plans.
The one I'm interested in, was "tacked on" the "allow plans sold acrossed states plan and allows grouped plans by industry"... is to allow community healthcare organizations to band together to act like 'non-profit co-opts'.
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d-usa wrote: Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
He's right.
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d-usa wrote: Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
He's right.
And people wonder why the Republican party is disliked.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Compel wrote: My question to that is, sure you want Obama care gone, sure, whatever. I kinda don't want one of the guys in my online gaming group who is currently receiving cancer treatment under the ACA to die. Pretty sure he doesn't want to either.
Republicans have no alternative beyond the "put money into the bank to pay for your future medical bills" plan. Hopefully this will be the death knell for the factions of the party that have pulled it so far to the right.
That's simply not true as they have put forward numerous plans.
The one I'm interested in, was "tacked on" the "allow plans sold acrossed states plan and allows grouped plans by industry"... is to allow community healthcare organizations to band together to act like 'non-profit co-opts'.
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d-usa wrote: Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
He's right.
Oh boy whembly saying people don't deserve something, but given your stance on womens reproductive rights it isn't a surprise that you don't agree with people deserving/having rights for things
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d-usa wrote: Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
He's right.
And people wonder why the Republican party is disliked.
Please show me in Constitution or legal statute that citizens has a right to health insurance. (note: do not conflate health insurance to health care).
First step in this debate is for everyone to acknowledge this.
Secondly, I'm willing to have a debate to make it a right and discuss how to achieve this.
d-usa wrote: Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
He's right.
And people wonder why the Republican party is disliked.
Please show me in Constitution or legal statute that citizens has a right to health insurance. (note: do not conflate health insurance to health care).
First step in this debate is for everyone to acknowledge this.
Secondly, I'm willing to have a debate to make it a right and discuss how to achieve this.
Just that nonsense in the declaration of independence.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
We have the right to Life, proper health care leads to a longer life.
Health insurance is not needed, america should join the rest of the civilized and enlightened world when it comes to health care. Universal care funded by taxes.
d-usa wrote: Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
He's right.
And people wonder why the Republican party is disliked.
Please show me in Constitution or legal statute that citizens has a right to health insurance. (note: do not conflate health insurance to health care).
First step in this debate is for everyone to acknowledge this.
Secondly, I'm willing to have a debate to make it a right and discuss how to achieve this.
Just that nonsense in the declaration of independence.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
We have the right to Life, proper health care leads to a longer life.
That's up for debate... and actually, people has tried to take certain providers to court claiming they don't own money and that the government should pay for it. As you can imagine, they didn't get very far...
Health insurance is not needed, america should join the rest of the civilized and enlightened world when it comes to health care. Universal care funded by taxes.
Sure... I'm in favor of the Canadian Medicare system.
d-usa wrote: Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
He's right.
And people wonder why the Republican party is disliked.
Please show me in Constitution or legal statute that citizens has a right to health insurance. (note: do not conflate health insurance to health care).
First step in this debate is for everyone to acknowledge this.
Secondly, I'm willing to have a debate to make it a right and discuss how to achieve this.
That's not the point Whem. It's that the response to "All these people will lose coverage" should not be "well they have no right to it". It's an incredibly inconsiderate and uncaring state of mind.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
d-usa wrote: Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
He's right.
And people wonder why the Republican party is disliked.
Please show me in Constitution or legal statute that citizens has a right to health insurance. (note: do not conflate health insurance to health care).
First step in this debate is for everyone to acknowledge this.
Secondly, I'm willing to have a debate to make it a right and discuss how to achieve this.
That's not the point Whem. It's that the response to "All these people will lose coverage" should not be "well they have no right to it". It's an incredibly inconsiderate and uncaring state of mind.
And that the republicans will not implement a system that even comes close to anything that tries to help people. But maybe they just want people to die or lose their life savings by repealing
d-usa wrote: Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
He's right.
And people wonder why the Republican party is disliked.
Please show me in Constitution or legal statute that citizens has a right to health insurance. (note: do not conflate health insurance to health care).
First step in this debate is for everyone to acknowledge this.
Secondly, I'm willing to have a debate to make it a right and discuss how to achieve this.
That's not the point Whem. It's that the response to "All these people will lose coverage" should not be "well they have no right to it". It's an incredibly inconsiderate and uncaring state of mind.
It's the harsh truth and everyone need to own up to that.
Stop sugar coating things (ie, like how ACA was advertised when passed) so that people are well informed.
It's really about managing expectations and being truthful of the situation.
d-usa wrote: Listened to an interview with King today where they asked him about the people projected to loose their coverage. His answer was basically "they have no right to health insurance".
He's right.
And people wonder why the Republican party is disliked.
Please show me in Constitution or legal statute that citizens has a right to health insurance. (note: do not conflate health insurance to health care).
First step in this debate is for everyone to acknowledge this.
Secondly, I'm willing to have a debate to make it a right and discuss how to achieve this.
That's not the point Whem. It's that the response to "All these people will lose coverage" should not be "well they have no right to it". It's an incredibly inconsiderate and uncaring state of mind.
It's the harsh truth and everyone need to own up to that.
Stop sugar coating things (ie, like how ACA was advertised when passed) so that people are well informed.
It's really about managing expectations and being truthful of the situation.
What does that statement have to do with what I just said?
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
kronk wrote: Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.