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**A Town Called Malus**

whembly wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

You seem to forget the strawmen of obama being lynched and burned. So I wouldn't talk

After Obama's inauguration? Yep... if true, I did forget that... can you provide a source?

Here you go:

https://youtu.be/ZdrMBj_Y46M

Oh and he did it again: https://youtu.be/k9VXiRBMdx0

I suppose not technically after/during the inauguration though.

**Frazzled**

godardc wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
godardc wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
One step closer to becoming a fascist huh?

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-reportedly-wanted-tanks-missile-014415635.html

President-elect Donald Trump's transition team reportedly wanted to include tanks and missile launchers during the inaugural parade Friday.

The Huffington Post cited sources saying that Trump's team wanted to have the military featured front and center as Trump took office, plans the military reportedly toned down.

"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.

A representative for the US Defense Department did not comment on requests for military equipment, The Huffington Post said, referring inquiries to the Trump transition team. The report said Trump adviser Boris Epstein told The Huffington Post that the transition team consulted with the military "to render appropriate honors."

In an interview with The Washington Post, Trump said he wanted the military to have a strong presence at his inauguration ceremony.

"That military may be flying over New York City and Washington, DC, for parades," Trump said. "I mean, we're going to be showing our military."

The armed forces are usually present at inaugurations to help with coordination and to provide music and participate in salute batteries and color guards. Five-thousand service members are expected to participate in the event.

So, according to you, military are fascist. I'm certain you military forces will be happy knowing people they defend hate them. You do know that the military defend democracy, too ?

If you think that I feel sorry for you, maybe you should brush up on your own history when these types of military parades were common in paris in the early 40s

I don't get why people are so obsessed with the Nazis. Can't people speak of anything else ? They were military parades before them and after them.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
nels1031 wrote:
Ustrello wrote:

Once again trump is not a poster so the sites rules do not apply to him

Neither is Inmate Manning, but make sure you use the correct gender pronouns for that deeply troubled individual.

The problem was that mis-pronouning Manning was not a personal insult, but more akin to using a racial slur since it showed contempt for the idea of transitioning, as opposed to the individual. Calling Manning a crazy, ugly, pathetic loser of a hamster-faced weasel would be acceptable where calling her a eunuch was not.

Just like saying Trump is a doritodouche is aimed just at him, but calling him Whitey von Cracker shouldn't be.

I still refer to HIM as Bradley. Am I a monster ?

Don't the French have military parades? And of course the Ewoks.

**Breotan**

whembly wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

You seem to forget the strawmen of obama being lynched and burned. So I wouldn't talk

After Obama's inauguration? Yep... if true, I did forget that... can you provide a source?

I don't condone burning anyone in effigy. I don't condone flag burning. I don't see how either compare to full on rioting.

**whembly**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
whembly wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

You seem to forget the strawmen of obama being lynched and burned. So I wouldn't talk

After Obama's inauguration? Yep... if true, I did forget that... can you provide a source?

Here you go:

https://youtu.be/ZdrMBj_Y46M

Oh and he did it again: https://youtu.be/k9VXiRBMdx0

I suppose not technically after/during the inauguration though.

But where are the riots... wanton property destruction post 2008 election?

That one's an idiot doing his thang.

**BrotherGecko**

So the Whitehouse website has dropped all mention of climate change in favor of drill baby drill، dropped mention of LGBT rights and is plugging Melania's QVC line.

Delightful

**feeder**

Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

**Vaktathi**

godardc wrote:

I don't get why people are so obsessed with the Nazis. Can't people speak of anything else ? They were military parades before them and after them.

Yup, also in the Soviet Union, Fascist Italy, North Korea...etc

Military parades of serious hardware upon transfers of power are usually seen as unsuited to assumption of power ceremonies in most modern western democracies in most of our lifetimes. The story is likely false, but there's a reason it raises people's hackles.

I still refer to HIM as Bradley. Am I a monster ?

the mods just had several big posts about this in the last few pages...

**Crimson Devil**

whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

Membership in Militias and white nationalist groups surged following the election of President Obama in 2008.

**whembly**

feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

**Cothonian**

whembly wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
whembly wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

You seem to forget the strawmen of obama being lynched and burned. So I wouldn't talk

After Obama's inauguration? Yep... if true, I did forget that... can you provide a source?

Here you go:

https://youtu.be/ZdrMBj_Y46M

Oh and he did it again: https://youtu.be/k9VXiRBMdx0

I suppose not technically after/during the inauguration though.

But where are the riots... wanton property destruction post 2008 election?

That one's an idiot doing his thang.

Exactly. Conservatives haven't been (quite literally) burning down cities every time they get mad.

**Ustrello**

Cothonian wrote:
whembly wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
whembly wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

You seem to forget the strawmen of obama being lynched and burned. So I wouldn't talk

After Obama's inauguration? Yep... if true, I did forget that... can you provide a source?

Here you go:

https://youtu.be/ZdrMBj_Y46M

Oh and he did it again: https://youtu.be/k9VXiRBMdx0

I suppose not technically after/during the inauguration though.

But where are the riots... wanton property destruction post 2008 election?

That one's an idiot doing his thang.

Exactly. Conservatives haven't been (quite literally) burning down cities every time they get mad.

No they just choose to do armed standoffs with the government and form militias

**whembly**

Crimson Devil wrote:
whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

Membership in Militias and white nationalist groups surged following the election of President Obama in 2008.

Cool. No riotings tho...

Look for the membership to drop, since the greatest spokemen for gun ownerships is retired:

Spoiler:

**A Town Called Malus**

Cothonian wrote:

Exactly. Conservatives haven't been (quite literally) burning down cities every time they get mad.

No, instead they shut down the government.

**Ustrello**

whembly wrote:
Crimson Devil wrote:
whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

Membership in Militias and white nationalist groups surged following the election of President Obama in 2008.

Cool. No riotings tho...

Look for the membership to drop, since the greatest spokemen for gun ownerships is retired:

Spoiler:

Or to drop since a black man isnt president

**Breotan**

whembly wrote:
feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

The entire web site was essentially redone to match the incoming President's agenda, not to "disappear" anything.

**LordofHats**

infinite_array wrote:

And know where does it say that the source is a part of Trump's inauguration team, but was just involved with the inauguration itself. For all we know, it could have been an outgoing Obama staffer.

It doesn't really matter who they are. In any given room involving politics there are always people who want to talk to the press, and especially in something like a transition team, there are people working the trenches who eventually don't want to be in the trenches anymore. Cultivating relationships with news media is a basic skill for progressing in anything related to politics that isn't being an actual politician.

**whembly**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Cothonian wrote:

Exactly. Conservatives haven't been (quite literally) burning down cities every time they get mad.

No, instead they shut down the government.

Which is an actual function of governance.

**Prestor Jon**

Ustrello wrote:
Cothonian wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
One step closer to becoming a fascist huh?

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-reportedly-wanted-tanks-missile-014415635.html

President-elect Donald Trump's transition team reportedly wanted to include tanks and missile launchers during the inaugural parade Friday.

The Huffington Post cited sources saying that Trump's team wanted to have the military featured front and center as Trump took office, plans the military reportedly toned down.

"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.

A representative for the US Defense Department did not comment on requests for military equipment, The Huffington Post said, referring inquiries to the Trump transition team. The report said Trump adviser Boris Epstein told The Huffington Post that the transition team consulted with the military "to render appropriate honors."

In an interview with The Washington Post, Trump said he wanted the military to have a strong presence at his inauguration ceremony.

"That military may be flying over New York City and Washington, DC, for parades," Trump said. "I mean, we're going to be showing our military."

The armed forces are usually present at inaugurations to help with coordination and to provide music and participate in salute batteries and color guards. Five-thousand service members are expected to participate in the event.

I'm skeptical of believing that a member of Trump's inauguration team felt the need to call up HuffPo and anonymously tell them that Trump wanted a "North Korea-style" military parade. It also isn't a step closer to anything because even if it were true it didn't actually happen and events that didn't transpire can't affect us.

I'm going to have to second that. HuffPost has done nothing but throw insults at the Trump team since they start (not even news, literally just insult pieces.) There is no reason that a member of the Trump team would call it a "North Korean" or "Red Square" style parade, much less contact the absolute least friendly news organization about it.

Seeing as how they didn't call it one but were thinking of one comparable to the NK and Soviets (it was the sources words not the teams words)

That's not what the article says:

"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.

HuffPo is claiming that an anonymous source on team Trump told them that Trump was "legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade" those are the source's words quoted by HuffPo.

**Vash108**

whembly wrote:
Crimson Devil wrote:
whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

Membership in Militias and white nationalist groups surged following the election of President Obama in 2008.

Cool. No riotings tho...

Look for the membership to drop, since the greatest spokemen for gun ownerships is retired:

Spoiler:

Did Obama take all those guns the GOP and NRA were fear mongering about?

**Frazzled**

Crimson Devil wrote:
whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

Membership in Militias and white nationalist groups surged following the election of President Obama in 2008.

Thats not a riot, even a quiet riot

Thats a membership drive.

There have been a LOT of cops rolling around in downtown Houston today. Interesting. On the positive I am out of here in ten minutes. On the negative I have to drive three hours to...take dance lessons. Oh the humanity!

**infinite_array**

Ustrello wrote:
whembly wrote:

Look for the membership to drop, since the greatest spokemen for gun ownerships is retired:

Spoiler:

Or to drop since a black man isnt president

Are you kidding me? The NRA's messaging for the next four years is going to be, "Buy more guns/ammo so the regressive left, SJWs and libtards don't take over the government!

**Vash108**

infinite_array wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
whembly wrote:

Look for the membership to drop, since the greatest spokemen for gun ownerships is retired:

Spoiler:

Or to drop since a black man isnt president

Are you kidding me? The NRA's messaging for the next four years is going to be, "Buy more guns/ammo so the regressive left, SJWs and libtards don't take over the government!

You forgot about the Haters. LaPierre warned us about those darn Haters!

**Breotan**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Cothonian wrote:

Exactly. Conservatives haven't been (quite literally) burning down cities every time they get mad.

No, instead they shut down the government.

You talking about Cruz and his stunt that happened six years after President Obama took office? Well, that certainly compares to rioting.

**Ustrello**

Prestor Jon wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
Cothonian wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Ustrello wrote:
One step closer to becoming a fascist huh?

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-reportedly-wanted-tanks-missile-014415635.html

President-elect Donald Trump's transition team reportedly wanted to include tanks and missile launchers during the inaugural parade Friday.

The Huffington Post cited sources saying that Trump's team wanted to have the military featured front and center as Trump took office, plans the military reportedly toned down.

"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.

A representative for the US Defense Department did not comment on requests for military equipment, The Huffington Post said, referring inquiries to the Trump transition team. The report said Trump adviser Boris Epstein told The Huffington Post that the transition team consulted with the military "to render appropriate honors."

In an interview with The Washington Post, Trump said he wanted the military to have a strong presence at his inauguration ceremony.

"That military may be flying over New York City and Washington, DC, for parades," Trump said. "I mean, we're going to be showing our military."

The armed forces are usually present at inaugurations to help with coordination and to provide music and participate in salute batteries and color guards. Five-thousand service members are expected to participate in the event.

I'm skeptical of believing that a member of Trump's inauguration team felt the need to call up HuffPo and anonymously tell them that Trump wanted a "North Korea-style" military parade. It also isn't a step closer to anything because even if it were true it didn't actually happen and events that didn't transpire can't affect us.

I'm going to have to second that. HuffPost has done nothing but throw insults at the Trump team since they start (not even news, literally just insult pieces.) There is no reason that a member of the Trump team would call it a "North Korean" or "Red Square" style parade, much less contact the absolute least friendly news organization about it.

Seeing as how they didn't call it one but were thinking of one comparable to the NK and Soviets (it was the sources words not the teams words)

That's not what the article says:

"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.

HuffPo is claiming that an anonymous source on team Trump told them that Trump was "legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade" those are the source's words quoted by HuffPo.

Reading comprehension is a good skill to have, that sentence is implying that the source is saying it was like a red square/ NK parade not that the team said it

**Frazzled**

Breotan wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
Cothonian wrote:

Exactly. Conservatives haven't been (quite literally) burning down cities every time they get mad.

No, instead they shut down the government.

You talking about Cruz and his stunt that happened six years after President Obama took office? Well, that certainly compares to rioting.

I will not eat green eggs and ham!

**Gordon Shumway**

whembly wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
Cothonian wrote:

Exactly. Conservatives haven't been (quite literally) burning down cities every time they get mad.

No, instead they shut down the government.

Which is an actual function of governance.

No, it is an actual function of non governance. In other words, avoiding their duty to actually govern-make deals, negotiate, cajole, convince, and come to an agreement. Not take the ball and run away. Not say "time out" when they can't think of a way to win.

**d-usa**

Breotan wrote:
whembly wrote:
feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

The entire web site was essentially redone to match the incoming President's agenda, not to "disappear" anything.

So we can assume that the President's agenda officially does not include civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and climate change?

**Co'tor Shas**

whembly wrote:
feeder wrote:
Dont know about thedailybeast as a source. Are they HuffPo/Breitbart level BS pushers?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/20/trump-s-whitehouse-gov-disappears-civil-rights-climate-change-lgbt-rights.html

Not a great first step, if true.

They're a half-step away from HuffPo/Breibart level...

And, this was reported that this'll happen everytime a new President get elected.

Dailybeast is gak, but the climate change part is true.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-white-house-president-global-warming-climate-change-environment-a7538206.html

**Prestor Jon**

whembly wrote:
Crimson Devil wrote:
whembly wrote:
Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Just watched part of it on the news, there's a mini riot going on in an intersection along the parade route, people are vandalizing buildings and throwing stuff at the cops. About 90 arrested, and plenty of concussion grenades and pepper spray to go around.

Yeah... just like when Obama was inaugurated in 2008... all those anti-Obama rioted... oh... wait a minute.

Membership in Militias and white nationalist groups surged following the election of President Obama in 2008.

Cool. No riotings tho...

Look for the membership to drop, since the greatest spokemen for gun ownerships is retired:

Spoiler:

whembly that pic only references Obama's first 4 years. The total number of NICS checks run by the FBI for gun sales during Obama's 8 years in office is 157,233,157. New annual records for NICS checks/gun sales were set numerous times during Obama's terms and the total during those 8 years is more than double the total of the preceding 10 years (61,249,149).

**d-usa**

Prestor Jon wrote:

That's not what the article says:

"They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade," a source involved in Trump's inaugural parade preparation told The Huffington Post.

HuffPo is claiming that an anonymous source on team Trump told them that Trump was "legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade" those are the source's words quoted by HuffPo.

Do you think that only Team Trump folks are involved in the parade preparation?

There is no reason to think that the person talking was on Trump's team. There are plenty of non-Trump folks involved in these things.