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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So is this another one of the cons? Make outrage by banning Muslims so they could slip Bannon in to the Security Council, which scares me a hell of a lot more than anyone escaping the Middle East?

Talking of Bannon, here's an interesting line from Bannon that took place last year, that just resurfaced.

“When two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia, I think... A country is more than an economy. We’re a civic society.”

Because apparently you can only be a civil society when your companies are run by white people, or something.

Anyway, I guess it isn't exactly breaking news that the racist said a racist thing, but goddamn.

I'm seeing a lot of bs semantic word play in this thread, for nothing more than partisan foolishness, by individuals trying to polish this turd stain of an EO. Here's what's actually happening on the front line and it's nothing but shameful behavior on behalf of this administration. Can't you can smell the "greatness"?!


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/migrants-were-told-to-sign-away-right-to-enter-us-lawyers-say/ar-AAmr1JC?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP


How very in keeping with all those proclaimed and venerated Christian values the conservatives love to hold up as their guiding light...the hypocrisy truly does stink to high heaven and I can only hope that if there is indeed, a God, then some of these fethers are going to have some serious explaining to do before the Man.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump%e2%80%99s-refugee-ban-is-a-matter-of-life-and-death-for-some-including-a-1-year-old-with-cancer/ar-AAmqMST?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP

Well, it's only really important that everybody know you're a Christian. Living by Christ's teaching is way too hard.

 Just Tony wrote:
And you don't bother with the drastic difference between medically necessary proceedures, "quality of life" proceedures like where they tried to convince my wife to abort our Down Syndrome son (Who has recovered from heart surgery and is developing much faster than average for a child with his condition), or a woman who can't be inconvenienced by a pregnancy? Don't act like every single abortion is some epic lifesaving event, well over half are post-conception contraception. Wrap your head around that.

Liberals. Now that they're safe, they're pro choice.

It's precisely because they aren't all same there needs to be choice. Only ones who think they are all same would remove choise.

Fact: You ban abortion. Women die. Simple as that. Also many of the kids and women who would carry out would end up life of poverty and quite likely short one. Also leads to child abuse like being forced to prostitution just to eek out living.


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Sentinel1 wrote:
Firstly your opinion about ISIS getting many recruits because of Trump is Negligible because they will never be able to recover from their recent losses. By the end of the year we will definitely see the fall of Mosul in Iraq and subsequently IS retreat back to the Syrian border. Hopefully by the end of the year we will hear that Raqqa is under siege. ISIS is loosing badly on all fronts and it is the beginning of the end for them. It is also ludicrous to think a genuine Refugee who wants to escape war and extremism would join said factions.

And you think that's going to stop them? Al qaida never had anything resembling country and they are still active. ISIS will simply go under ground and keep doing terrorism attacks after that as well. You don't kill idea with bombs. Any dimwitted idiot by now has learned it. Too bad Trump hasn't.

People get radicalized when they get detached from society. Lack of work, lack of social contacts, lack of feeling of being welcome. That's been common point with pretty much every terrorist so far. Trump's action will just increase that.

Trump is ISIS's best friend evah. Well okay not quite. He could be even better if he gave order to shoot all suspected muslims on sight. Even better if people would actually do that. THAT would be even better ISIS dares to hope.

One thing I noticed, he successfully convinced Ford Motor Co to produce their new range of cars in US factories, when originally they were going to build cars in Mexican factories and then import them back to the USA.

Was that the "we say we move 2000 into mexico but instead only 1000 and get bloody lot of money in return" case?-) Trump got fooled there up. Unlikely they even had plans to move 2000 in the first place. More like 1000. Free money.


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 AndrewC wrote:
or at least not defending an EO that she feels is unconstitutional and very probably illegal.

Well certainly America decided international agreements don't concern them. Including UN ones. Can USA be member of UN without following their agreements or can they cherry pick what they follow and what not?

 Crimson Devil wrote:
Well, it's only really important that everybody know you're a Christian. Living by Christ's teaching is way too hard.

Dunno dude.

I'm pretty much an atheist (think Atheist with a small side of Agnosticism). And to be fair, living a Christian life is quite the doddle :p

 BigWaaagh wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of bs semantic word play in this thread, for nothing more than partisan foolishness, by individuals trying to polish this turd stain of an EO. Here's what's actually happening on the front line and it's nothing but shameful behavior on behalf of this administration. Can't you can smell the "greatness"?!


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/migrants-were-told-to-sign-away-right-to-enter-us-lawyers-say/ar-AAmr1JC?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP


How very in keeping with all those proclaimed and venerated Christian values the conservatives love to hold up as their guiding light...the hypocrisy truly does stink to high heaven and I can only hope that if there is indeed, a God, then some of these fethers are going to have some serious explaining to do before the Man.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump%e2%80%99s-refugee-ban-is-a-matter-of-life-and-death-for-some-including-a-1-year-old-with-cancer/ar-AAmqMST?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP

Heres another case of sour grapes! People around the world will just have to deal with Trump for the next 4 years, rather than bicker about 'oohs Trump worse than ooh' we should be trying to all get on with life. Another case of witch-hunt-on-Trump was last night in the UK where thousands of people in London and another major cities and pointlessly protested so that the government had to waste one entire debate on whether it was legal to invite Trump for tea! Needless to say those said people achieved nothing and Trump has been invited by Buckingham Palace to meet the Queen.

As I have said before you will have to live with his impact, but at least give the man a full year before condemning him as the worst human being ever. If you want to look for worse leaders, look no further than Saudi Arabia; a country where women have no rights, where a Christian man was nearly whipped to death because he had brought a bottle of wine into the country, a country which openly does not follow human rights laws, and a country where the rich don't even recognise the poor, as they are a different clan.

Now before this thread gets derailed, lets go back onto a clean topic without so much Trump bashing rhetoric...

Sentinel1 wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of bs semantic word play in this thread, for nothing more than partisan foolishness, by individuals trying to polish this turd stain of an EO. Here's what's actually happening on the front line and it's nothing but shameful behavior on behalf of this administration. Can't you can smell the "greatness"?!


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/migrants-were-told-to-sign-away-right-to-enter-us-lawyers-say/ar-AAmr1JC?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP


How very in keeping with all those proclaimed and venerated Christian values the conservatives love to hold up as their guiding light...the hypocrisy truly does stink to high heaven and I can only hope that if there is indeed, a God, then some of these fethers are going to have some serious explaining to do before the Man.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump%e2%80%99s-refugee-ban-is-a-matter-of-life-and-death-for-some-including-a-1-year-old-with-cancer/ar-AAmqMST?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP

Heres another case of sour grapes! People around the world will just have to deal with Trump for the next 4 years, rather than bicker about 'oohs Trump worse than ooh' we should be trying to all get on with life. Another case of witch-hunt-on-Trump was last night in the UK where thousands of people in London and another major cities and pointlessly protested so that the government had to waste one entire debate on whether it was legal to invite Trump for tea! Needless to say those said people achieved nothing and Trump has been invited by Buckingham Palace to meet the Queen.

As I have said before you will have to live with his impact, but at least give the man a full year before condemning him as the worst human being ever. If you want to look for worse leaders, look no further than Saudi Arabia; a country where women have no rights, where a Christian man was nearly whipped to death because he had brought a bottle of wine into the country, a country which openly does not follow human rights laws, and a country where the rich don't even recognise the poor, as they are a different clan.

Now before this thread gets derailed, lets go back onto a clean topic without so much Trump bashing rhetoric...

...no.

He's already actively making people's lives worse. If he wasn't governing the United States like a spiteful, bigoted toddler, we wouldn't be complaining about him. But he is, and we are.

This is, after all, the US Politics thread, and the topic is US Politics. Unfortunately, Donald Trump is a pretty significant figure in US Politics at the moment. If you'd like to start a thread on Saudi Arabian politics, perhaps we can discuss all that there (although Trump seems quite friendly with them, doesn't he? Friendly enough not to ban them from the country, anyway.)

The real sour grapes I see are the people who are upset that the rest of the world isn't just rolling over and accepting Trump's (or Pence's, or Bannon's, or Pu...er, whoever)'s policies and actions. If he does something I like, I'll say it's something I like.

He has yet to do so.

Sentinel1 wrote:
Heres another case of sour grapes! People around the world will just have to deal with Trump for the next 4 years, rather than bicker about 'oohs Trump worse than ooh' we should be trying to all get on with life. Another case of witch-hunt-on-Trump was last night in the UK where thousands of people in London and another major cities and pointlessly protested so that the government had to waste one entire debate on whether it was legal to invite Trump for tea! Needless to say those said people achieved nothing and Trump has been invited by Buckingham Palace to meet the Queen.

As I have said before you will have to live with his impact, but at least give the man a full year before condemning him as the worst human being ever. If you want to look for worse leaders, look no further than Saudi Arabia; a country where women have no rights, where a Christian man was nearly whipped to death because he had brought a bottle of wine into the country, a country which openly does not follow human rights laws, and a country where the rich don't even recognise the poor, as they are a different clan.

Now before this thread gets derailed, lets go back onto a clean topic without so much Trump bashing rhetoric...

Pointless protesting? So people should just shut up and take whatever crap goverments give without doing anything?

"Maximum wage reduced to 1€/h!" Citizens should just shut up and accept it? Trump is already costing people's LIVES with his decisions. People are going to DIE because of his desire to boost his own ego. And you think people should just shut up and accept it? Sorry but I don't have such a lack of humanity to do that.

Trump is also throwing agreements US has signed into trashbin. What does that say about US? Why should other countries make any kind of deal when they know president will happily break them at will?

Sorry but people have no requirement to be loyal puppies that accept whatever crap is given. Goverments should be working for people and not the other way around.

And full year? He has already shown himself to be bad president. What more the next 350 days or so would do? You don't need to shoot yourself to head to know it's bad idea. Neither do you need to wait a year to know Trump is bad when he has already shown himself to be bad. He has already shown what kind of president he is. Why people should give him year time to do even more damage without protesting?

At least in Finland protesting is allowed and funny that they actually have had an effect before removing bad laws or preventing ones being assigned. Not always but letting your voice heard is allowed and should be encouraged.

You do know that's part of democracy right? But then again. Trump & his fanboys don't believe in democracy.

Sentinel1 wrote:
Heres another case of sour grapes! People around the world will just have to deal with Trump for the next 4 years, rather than bicker about 'oohs Trump worse than ooh' we should be trying to all get on with life.

Part of getting on with life is moving from "make sure Trump doesn't get elected" to "make sure everyone knows how bad Trump is so that the republicans lose congress in 2018 and Trump is thrown out in 2020".

As I have said before you will have to live with his impact, but at least give the man a full year before condemning him as the worst human being ever.

Candidate Trump: "Once I'm elected I'm going to do awful things."
President Trump: *does awful things*
Sentinel1: "But we need to give him more time before criticizing him!"

If you want to look for worse leaders, look no further than Saudi Arabia; a country where women have no rights, where a Christian man was nearly whipped to death because he had brought a bottle of wine into the country, a country which openly does not follow human rights laws, and a country where the rich don't even recognise the poor, as they are a different clan.

I'd like to think that the US has higher standards for itself than "well, at least we're not Saudi Arabia".

Now before this thread gets derailed, lets go back onto a clean topic without so much Trump bashing rhetoric...

This will happen whenever Trump stops doing things that he deserves to get "bashed" for. Don't hold your breath.

Sentinel1 wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of bs semantic word play in this thread, for nothing more than partisan foolishness, by individuals trying to polish this turd stain of an EO. Here's what's actually happening on the front line and it's nothing but shameful behavior on behalf of this administration. Can't you can smell the "greatness"?!


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/migrants-were-told-to-sign-away-right-to-enter-us-lawyers-say/ar-AAmr1JC?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP


How very in keeping with all those proclaimed and venerated Christian values the conservatives love to hold up as their guiding light...the hypocrisy truly does stink to high heaven and I can only hope that if there is indeed, a God, then some of these fethers are going to have some serious explaining to do before the Man.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump%e2%80%99s-refugee-ban-is-a-matter-of-life-and-death-for-some-including-a-1-year-old-with-cancer/ar-AAmqMST?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=ASUDHP

Heres another case of sour grapes! People around the world will just have to deal with Trump for the next 4 years, rather than bicker about 'oohs Trump worse than ooh' we should be trying to all get on with life. Another case of witch-hunt-on-Trump was last night in the UK where thousands of people in London and another major cities and pointlessly protested so that the government had to waste one entire debate on whether it was legal to invite Trump for tea! Needless to say those said people achieved nothing and Trump has been invited by Buckingham Palace to meet the Queen.

As I have said before you will have to live with his impact, but at least give the man a full year before condemning him as the worst human being ever. If you want to look for worse leaders, look no further than Saudi Arabia; a country where women have no rights, where a Christian man was nearly whipped to death because he had brought a bottle of wine into the country, a country which openly does not follow human rights laws, and a country where the rich don't even recognise the poor, as they are a different clan.

Now before this thread gets derailed, lets go back onto a clean topic without so much Trump bashing rhetoric...

You should read the last post in the UK thread, the Queen is not amused with Trump.

And if Saudi is so bad, why aren't they banned from entering the US.

He has activitly put people in awful positions.

What if you were born in Somilia, and have lived in the USA for decades but still have family back in Africa, your grandmother is dying.

But you can't see her because you can't come home.

Look at Mo Farrah, half Brit half Somilian Gold Medalist and all round nice guy, there is a chance he can't go home.

I think Peregrine summed it up nicely.

Though it does baffle me that a President can just appoint whomever.

Here in the UK, the PM's cabinet is made up of elected MPs - which means we the public have at least some say, including recalling particularly abhorrent MPs, forcing them out of a job.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think Peregrine summed it up nicely.

Though it does baffle me that a President can just appoint whomever.

Here in the UK, the PM's cabinet is made up of elected MPs - which means we the public have at least some say, including recalling particularly abhorrent MPs, forcing them out of a job.

It's more like the Queen making people into Lords, except these Lords can actually get government jobs.

Sentinel1 wrote:
Never trust government statistics, it never counts the millions or so people 'off the grid' on unemployment, or those on 0 hour contracts, or those in part time, or those not seeking work but on state funding.

There are efforts to measure underemployment, job security and the like. They aren't included in the headline unemployment rate because they are subjective and unreliable. There's also debate whether they'll actually add any information, because they tend to move with headline unemployment (when unemployment is high then you get more underemployment, more casual jobs, more people giving up looking for work). It's largely enough to know when unemployment is at 10% then things are gak and stuff needs to be done, and when it's at 5% then you're unlikely to get much more improvement without pushing a wage price spiral.

But you need to look at what you're doing there. You're basically saying because an official measure doesn't capture everything perfectly, then you should basically ignore it. And go with what? How you feel unemployment is?

One thing I noticed, he successfully convinced Ford Motor Co to produce their new range of cars in US factories, when originally they were going to build cars in Mexican factories and then import them back to the USA.

You got played for a sucker. Ford announced they were scrapping a new plant in Mexico that would produce the Focus, but the piece they didn't advertise is that now Ford is going to produce the Focus at an existing plant... in Mexico. The actual business decision for cancelling the existing plant was that with the decline in Ford small car sales the $1.6b investment in a new plant was no longer justified. But Ford knows its politics and knows it is good to ingratiate itself with the new president. And the new president would know that this deal has produced no new jobs in the US... but he doesn't care, he just knows people like you buy in to it.

The Fanta Fascist Fantasist does like his 'alternative facts'.

Sentinel1 wrote:
Another case of witch-hunt-on-Trump was last night in the UK where thousands of people in London and another major cities and pointlessly protested

No... a protest and a witch hunt are different things. Words have meanings, please use them.

http://www.charismanews.com/politics/issues/62711-prophecy-2017-will-be-a-year-of-trumpification

Gale Sheehan, director of Christian International Apostolic Network, shared a new word from the Lord on Monday with readers of The Elijah List.

In it, he proclaims, America is moving into a year of "Trumpification," a word he has coined to represent President Donald Trump's "effect on the affairs of men." He said this is a time where Christians—regardless of their political affiliations—must "desire for revival to impact our nation with a shift for righteousness and morality."

if these people weren't so influential in the new administration it'd be funny.


..alas....

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.charismanews.com/politics/issues/62711-prophecy-2017-will-be-a-year-of-trumpification

Gale Sheehan, director of Christian International Apostolic Network, shared a new word from the Lord on Monday with readers of The Elijah List.

In it, he proclaims, America is moving into a year of "Trumpification," a word he has coined to represent President Donald Trump's "effect on the affairs of men." He said this is a time where Christians—regardless of their political affiliations—must "desire for revival to impact our nation with a shift for righteousness and morality."

if these people weren't so influential in the new administration it'd be funny.


..alas....

It's awful isn't it.


'righteousness and morality'.......

... Weird thing is you don't even have to be that old to remember a time that someone as vulgar as Trump, who is divorced twice, married to a model who has done some clothes free work , friends with all those EVUL entertainment types and involved with things like Miss World -- not to mention such a big fan of Russia who have banned Xtian evangelism -- wouldn't be viewed as an appropriate person to run for office let alone hold the office of POTUS.

 reds8n wrote:
... Weird thing is you don't even have to be that old to remember a time that someone as vulgar as Trump, who is divorced twice, married to a model who has done some clothes free work , friends with all those EVUL entertainment types and involved with things like Miss World -- not to mention such a big fan of Russia who have banned Xtian evangelism -- wouldn't be viewed as an appropriate person to run for office let alone hold the office of POTUS.

http://babylonbee.com/news/aides-hurriedly-teaching-trump-bible-stories-via-flannelgraph-ahead-meeting-evangelicals/

 reds8n wrote:
... Weird thing is you don't even have to be that old to remember a time that someone as vulgar as Trump, who is divorced twice, married to a model who has done some clothes free work , friends with all those EVUL entertainment types and involved with things like Miss World -- not to mention such a big fan of Russia who have banned Xtian evangelism -- wouldn't be viewed as an appropriate person to run for office let alone hold the office of POTUS.

Well, I suppose Trump preached the popular ideals for change in the election. I think whoever the Republican candidate was they would win, as I believe the US public had had enough of 8 years of Democrat stalemate. Don't get me wrong Obama was a good President, but he had his hands tied, back in 2012 I spoke to one of his colleagues whilst on tour of the Capitol building, he openly admitted anything radical would get vetoed by his party and anything that needed further controls wouldn't get passed the Republicans, so in the end Obama technically achieved most of his goals, but they were so watered down they don't make much of an impact.

I also think there is a huge US rift between the Liberal populists and traditional America at the moment. Going back to his E.O - Now don't call me a racist- but technically I don't think its that big a deal, it affects relatively few people on a temporary basis. I also think that those 'Refugees' shouldn't be classed as such. E.g. a Somalian choices to leave for X reasons, has plently of African neighbour countries to stay in, but chooses the U.S.A as he/she can make money there. Now I have nothing against people getting a better quality of life, but from the moment they chose that route they are an economic migrant. Of course family ties in said country may make it more lenient on them, but none the less I believe such choice forfeits said status.

Personally I think if a real Liberal open border character was President there would be no current protests but down the line their actions would divide the U.S.A even further. Trump is the lesser of two evils.

Please stick to topic, I know every man and his dog on here doesn't agree with me, but I am the counterbalance to your arguments, so please be civil not 'Facist Fantasying whatever from a previous post' Thank you.

Man.

Has anyone explained to these apparent Christians that whilst The Old Testament is part of the Bible, Jesus made a new convenant, thus rendering the Old Testament moot for Christians?

Or have they actually sat down and read their Bible outside of sinister sounding 'Bible Studies', which from what I can make out is simply indoctrination used to ensure certain viewpoints are hammered home from a book full of contradictions and inconsistencies?

 whembly wrote:
You mean bigotry... not racism.

No, it's definitely racism. It's banning people based on being from a certain country, not a certain religion. Saudi Islamists are still welcome, Persians Liberals are not.

 whembly wrote:
This EO targets the 7 nations that are hotbeds of sharia-supremacism (aka, Radical Islamism).

Oh no. Saudi Arabia is much, much more of a hotbed of “sharia-supremacism (aka, Radical Islamism)” (WTF dude, do you have even basic notion of what you are talking about? What's that “sharia-supremacism” you are talking about even?) than Iran. They are not impacted by the ban. Let me quote my previous message on Iran:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Sentinel1 wrote:
All the countries involved with his E.O are yes Muslim, but each country is a complete and utter mess of political extremist opposites and government coups. The problem is you let one family in, they need a home, social security, language lessons, education lessons, school places etc and then said family want their 50 other relatives to join them in the same area. That makes a huge logistical nightmare through paper work and public funding.

That's very ignorant. Not ignorant as in “You are a filthy racist and you should feel bad about yourself”, no, I really mean that this is very ill-informed and far from the facts. Iran (it's the country I know best, I can't answer for others) has a pretty stable (unfriendly and unlikable as it is) regime, opposition that is mostly very moderate and friendly to the US, as a fairly good education system, and Iranian in the US (mostly concentrated around Los Angeles) are described as follow by Wikipedia:

Iranian Americans are among the highest educated people in the United States. They have historically excelled in business, academia, the sciences, arts, and entertainment – but have traditionally shied away from participating in American politics and other civic activities.

Quite recently, an Iranian-born woman working at Standford University, Maryam Mirzakhani, won the Fields medal (i.e. basically the Nobel Price in Mathematics). Now I guess she may have to move away from the US, but I'm sure she won't have too much trouble to get a position in the EU. It's all good for Europe really if the US decide to make such stupid, knee-jerk decision to satisfy the bigotry of it's uneducated masses. I'm still sad about this because being basically forced out of a country must be a quite traumatic experience, but I'll really reveal in schadenfreude when Trump's elector will see the new Apple, Google and co come out of Europe rather than the US.
As much as I hate the IRI, banning Iranians from entering the US was the dumbest move ever. If anything, it actually strengthen the regime, as Iranian Americans won't be able to visit their families in Iran anymore and bring outer news and ideas. And really, look up for the number of Iranian terrorists in the US to see how many terror attack this will prevent, but it's basically none at all.
This message will likely get me a new temporary ban but it was 100% worth it . This kind of information needs to be spread as far and wide as possible imo. Though some people will NEVER accept it, on purely ideological grounds.

The Iranian Islamists stay in Iran because they already have the Islamist government they want at home, and they work there to keep it Islamist despite popular pressure. Because they can do so without risk. Most Iranian emigrants are “liberal educated elite”. That's why you will have a hard time finding Iranian terrorists in the US. Those guys can't push for their government to be less Islamist without risk, they don't want to end up in Evin. But hey, who cares about facts that are not “alternate” these days?

tneva82 wrote:
People get radicalized when they get detached from society. Lack of work, lack of social contacts, lack of feeling of being welcome. That's been common point with pretty much every terrorist so far.

That's plain out false. Trump will definitely feed the radical Islamist narrative that there is a war between infidels and muslims, sure, but that part I quoted is “alternate fact”, as in entirely, absolutely not true.
Just like cult don't need that. See how many rich people are part of scientology…

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-five-year-old-boy-detained-dulles-international-airport-hours-sean-spicer-pose-security-a7554521.html?cmpid=facebook-post

The White House has said a five-year-old boy was detained for more than four hours and reportedly handcuffed at an airport because he posed a “security risk”.

The boy, reportedly a US citizen with an Iranian mother, was one of more than 100 people detained following President Donald Trump’s immigration order.

In a press briefing, Mr Trump’s press secretary Sean Spicer was unrepentant about the incident.

He said: “To assume that just because of someone’s age and gender that they don’t pose a threat would be misguided and wrong.”

Footage shows the boy's mother waiting anxiously at Dulles International airport in Washington DC before being reunited with her son, who was reportedly flown into the airport with another family.

Five years old.

Five.

Dear America.

Please look up the history of Fascism. Please.

Attempts to silence the media. Sacks those who try to oppose possibly illegal, certainly racist executive orders.

Dear 5 year old: Papers please?

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-five-year-old-boy-detained-dulles-international-airport-hours-sean-spicer-pose-security-a7554521.html?cmpid=facebook-post

The White House has said a five-year-old boy was detained for more than four hours and reportedly handcuffed at an airport because he posed a “security risk”.

Five years old.

Five.

Hey he might remind people even people from Iran&other muslim countries are humans! That's HUGE issue right there! They need to be painted out as a daemons from hell obviously so we can't have kids coming to US!

The conditions that produced Fascism in the 1920s and 1930s are so unique, that they are unlikely to be seen on this Earth ever again, and thank God for that.

Trump is a lot of things, but talk of Fascism is miles off the mark.

For example. Have we:

Just came out of a world war that killed millions of people and shattered countries, thus destabilising and destroying the established social order?

Are we worried about the newly created Soviet Union and its threats to spread Communism across the globe, thus encouraging support for Fascism?

Is there a centuries long acceptance of anti-Semitism driving government policy in Europe?

Are there hundreds of thousands of embittered ex-Soldiers in Germany and Italy?

Fascism takes many forms, but I feel a lot of newspapers are wildly out of control.

By all means criticise Trump - he deserves it, but I think we're in danger of diluting the term Fascism, and that is a tragedy.

Ask your grand-parents or your great-grandparents about what REAL Fascism looks like.

least some things haven't changed

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Ask your grand-parents or your great-grandparents about what REAL Fascism looks like.

They will tell you that, at first, it didn't look as bad as it sounded. For the people who put the fascist people in power, I mean.

What most people forget about Fascism is that it didn't suddenly pop up one day. It was carefully (and gradually) prepared, so that the people behind it were finally in charge.

What happens now in America is just the first step. True, it's not Fascism right now...but there are many signs pointing that it may become something very similar, and as much destructive.

 reds8n wrote:
least some things haven't changed

And I thought Alex Jones was just a low-rent TV host on the One Show - the TV show that brings Daytime to the Prime Time, to remind us why we go to work.