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 TedNugent wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
So do they not actually cross blades? Just words and Sanguinius is traumatised by how insane Curze is? Man, this novel is definetly my next purchase.

The novel is mostly about Luther on Caliban, Lion hunting Curze and Roboute/Lion having a pissing match.

The confrontation between Sang and Curze isn't in the book. I don't believe they traded blows. The novel Pharos might have more detail since at the time the Ultras were at Sotha.
The incident in Angels of Caliban is just Lion confronting Guilliman and Sanguinius. Lion and Roboute freak out over Curze getting so close to the regent Emperor and Sang explains what happened.

It's really not an exciting segment because of how it's told after the fact instead of replaying the event. I'm probably making it sound more exciting than it actually is in the book.
It may be in the book Phoros, but I'm not sure.

Spoiler:

Curze wanted Sang to kill him, Sanguinius refuses because he looked wretched, almost like he pitied him. Lion can't believe he didn't kill him.

Curze's premonition already showed him Sang doesn't kill him so he may not be afraid.

Sang stayed in a dark library for 3 hours apparently to recover from the bomb explosion (maybe mourning the deaths of his Sanguinary Guard), but probably mostly dealing with his vision of his death by Horus and ruminating on what Curze told him. He's sort of brooding in this book. It says Lion's felt genuine love for his brother that he accepted his fate, Lion would have tried to find a way around it. Curze and Sanguinius never traded blows from what I can tell. My guess is that Curze came to compare notes on their visions.

Thats why Sanguinius and the Lion are my favourite primarchs, thanks for the info, I'm going to have to buy both books now You've made a good sell

 Pouncey wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I own Angron and know his stats, and I have no idea about Sanguinius.
Therefore, I'd opt for Angron.

Out of curiosity, how do you know Sanguinius' stats aren't better than Angron's?

Sorry, but I dont know the stats of Sanguinius.
So my vote is a pure wish.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I own Angron and know his stats, and I have no idea about Sanguinius.
Therefore, I'd opt for Angron.

Out of curiosity, how do you know Sanguinius' stats aren't better than Angron's?

Sorry, but I dont know the stats of Sanguinius.
So my vote is a pure wish.

Okay then.

I'm going to go... somewhere else.

Where people don't rely on wishes being granted to win duels.

But if you wish hard enough, maybe lord Tzeentch will give a helping hand or maybe he'll screw you over. Such is life.

 mrhappyface wrote:
But if you wish hard enough, maybe lord Tzeentch will give a helping hand or maybe he'll screw you over. Such is life.

What would he do if I didn't wish at all?

Probably the same thing but he wouldn't be pretending like he is doing you a favour.

 mrhappyface wrote:
Probably the same thing but he wouldn't be pretending like he is doing you a favour.

How would I know what he's pretending to do?

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Probably the same thing but he wouldn't be pretending like he is doing you a favour.

How would I know what he's pretending to do?

You wouldn't, mwahahahaha!

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Probably the same thing but he wouldn't be pretending like he is doing you a favour.

How would I know what he's pretending to do?

You wouldn't, mwahahahaha!

So then why would I wish for him to do anything?

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Probably the same thing but he wouldn't be pretending like he is doing you a favour.

How would I know what he's pretending to do?

You wouldn't, mwahahahaha!

So then why would I wish for him to do anything?

Peace of mind. Wait...

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Probably the same thing but he wouldn't be pretending like he is doing you a favour.

How would I know what he's pretending to do?

You wouldn't, mwahahahaha!

So then why would I wish for him to do anything?

Peace of mind. Wait...

I have actually wished for divine intervention in real life before.

It didn't work.

I am sorry for your disappointment.

Well, it looks like after an early lead Angron has fallen to Sanguinius. This was actually one of the most interesting threads I've participated in, thanks to everyone who took part. Tempted to create a thread for Horus vs Sanguinius to see what people would vote on that

 mrhappyface wrote:
I am sorry for your disappointment.

As am I.

I really miss talking to my dad. He was always good for a long conversation about stuff.

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I am sorry for your disappointment.

As am I.

I really miss talking to my dad. He was always good for a long conversation about stuff.

My condolences.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I am sorry for your disappointment.

As am I.

I really miss talking to my dad. He was always good for a long conversation about stuff.

My condolences.

Thank you, but it's hard to imagine anyone here is actually concerned about my happiness, given the things people have said to me.

It is hard to empathise with people you don't know across the internet: you are unaware of their social/financial position, you don't know their opinions on things besides those they post on a forum and empathy does not come quick when you cannot see/feel the emotions of the person you are talking to.

However there are things, such as a death of a loved one, in which we can all empathise as most people can understand the pain you are going through.

I may not always see eye to eye with you but I can understand and feel sorry for your loss.

 mrhappyface wrote:
It is hard to empathise with people you don't know across the internet: you are unaware of their social/financial position, you don't know their opinions on things besides those they post on a forum and empathy does not come quick when you cannot see/feel the emotions of the person you are talking to.

However there are things, such as a death of a loved one, in which we can all empathise as most people can understand the pain you are going through.

I may not always see eye to eye with you but I can understand and feel sorry for your loss.

Personally, I am well aware that the people I am talking to are in fact human beings. I've spent all of my adult life and much of my later teenage years on the Internet in one way or another, and it's difficult for me to pretend I'm talking to robots.

I make an effort to not insult people or be rude. Sometimes I fail at that. I tend to keep my comments related to the subject at hand, not the person saying them. I want to discuss things, not my fellow posters.

So it's weird to me how I keep getting insulted and called a troll just for having some unusual views that I'm willing to discuss at length. And this isn't just a Dakka thing, people on other forums have had similar reactions.

A few of the people I spend time on forums with tend to like talking to me. One of them finally told me why. Apparently he likes that I don't "mince words" which apparently means just being very direct and to the point. I also don't lie on the Internet, as I don't do anything that's worth lying about.

 Pouncey wrote:
Personally, I am well aware that the people I am talking to are in fact human beings. I've spent all of my adult life and much of my later teenage years on the Internet in one way or another, and it's difficult for me to pretend I'm talking to robots.

I make an effort to not insult people or be rude. Sometimes I fail at that. I tend to keep my comments related to the subject at hand, not the person saying them. I want to discuss things, not my fellow posters.

So it's weird to me how I keep getting insulted and called a troll just for having some unusual views that I'm willing to discuss at length. And this isn't just a Dakka thing, people on other forums have had similar reactions.

A few of the people I spend time on forums with tend to like talking to me. One of them finally told me why. Apparently he likes that I don't "mince words" which apparently means just being very direct and to the point. I also don't lie on the Internet, as I don't do anything that's worth lying about.

Any kind of idea that does not conform with people's idea of 'normal' is looked apon with scorn and is even acted against with hostility. I for one love a new perspected on a matter but I also love to attempt to push that theory to it's limits: how much can it explain before it breaks?

Personally I don't mind talking to you; you're clearly not stupid, you have some nice ideas/knowledge and you can make a joke. Don't be so hard on yourself, if you feel like this kind of attack happens often then it might just be a coincidence: your inquisitive mind might just be drawing you to the more heated discussions where people are more likely to go off the handly and make personal attacks. (Don't let the internet get to you or your soul we be claimed by the trolls)

Anyway, it looks like we are getting off topic. So yeah! This Angron guy is pretty angry and thet helps. (?)

 Pouncey wrote:


Is it actually possible for the novel itself to be less exciting than your description?

Yes.

The really exciting part of the book is the duel between Lion and Curze, as it shows on the cover.

 mrhappyface wrote:
This Angron guy is pretty angry and thet helps. (?)

Nice save bro

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Personally, I am well aware that the people I am talking to are in fact human beings. I've spent all of my adult life and much of my later teenage years on the Internet in one way or another, and it's difficult for me to pretend I'm talking to robots.

I make an effort to not insult people or be rude. Sometimes I fail at that. I tend to keep my comments related to the subject at hand, not the person saying them. I want to discuss things, not my fellow posters.

So it's weird to me how I keep getting insulted and called a troll just for having some unusual views that I'm willing to discuss at length. And this isn't just a Dakka thing, people on other forums have had similar reactions.

A few of the people I spend time on forums with tend to like talking to me. One of them finally told me why. Apparently he likes that I don't "mince words" which apparently means just being very direct and to the point. I also don't lie on the Internet, as I don't do anything that's worth lying about.

Any kind of idea that does not conform with people's idea of 'normal' is looked apon with scorn and is even acted against with hostility. I for one love a new perspected on a matter but I also love to attempt to push that theory to it's limits: how much can it explain before it breaks?

Personally I don't mind talking to you; you're clearly not stupid, you have some nice ideas/knowledge and you can make a joke. Don't be so hard on yourself, if you feel like this kind of attack happens often then it might just be a coincidence: your inquisitive mind might just be drawing you to the more heated discussions where people are more likely to go off the handly and make personal attacks. (Don't let the internet get to you or your soul we be claimed by the trolls)

See, it's the part where they keep referring to me by name and referencing older posts I made months earlier that makes me think it's personal.

Anyway, it looks like we are getting off topic. So yeah! This Angron guy is pretty angry and thet helps. (?)

Anger does not, in fact, help win fights. It actually just gets in the way because it makes people do stupid things.


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 TedNugent wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


Is it actually possible for the novel itself to be less exciting than your description?

Yes.

The really exciting part of the book is the duel between Lion and Curze, as it shows on the cover.

So if I just have a photograph of the cover, like on an ad on a site selling the book, I pretty much can absorb all of the book's excitement without buying it?

 Pouncey wrote:

See, it's the part where they keep referring to me by name and referencing older posts I made months earlier that makes me think it's personal.

 Pouncey wrote:

Anyway, it looks like we are getting off topic. So yeah! This Angron guy is pretty angry and thet helps. (?)

Anger does not, in fact, help win fights. It actually just gets in the way because it makes people do stupid things.

Whilst a cool headed opponant is far more likely to be able to calmly parry your blows and take advantages of any openings, angry opponants are quite dangerous too: their anger fuels their body making it very unlikely that they will grow tired or pause in their attack, their anger also allows them to ignore most blows and continue to attack you.

If Angron hits you there is no time to attempt to recover from the blow or even change your stance because his next blow will follow a split second after, and then the next, and the next... And if you hit Angron it will not falter his attack because he is souly focused on tearing you apart, not careing about anything else.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

See, it's the part where they keep referring to me by name and referencing older posts I made months earlier that makes me think it's personal.

 Pouncey wrote:

Anyway, it looks like we are getting off topic. So yeah! This Angron guy is pretty angry and thet helps. (?)

Anger does not, in fact, help win fights. It actually just gets in the way because it makes people do stupid things.

Whilst a cool headed opponant is far more likely to be able to calmly parry your blows and take advantages of any openings, angry opponants are quite dangerous too: their anger fuels their body making it very unlikely that they will grow tired or pause in their attack, their anger also allows them to ignore most blows and continue to attack you.

Yeah, uh, see, their mind might ignore the pain. That makes them dangerous. So you go for extreme overkill and just keep pumping bullets into the body until it stops being able to remain alive.

If Angron hits you there is no time to attempt to recover from the blow or even change your stance because his next blow will follow a split second after, and then the next, and the next... And if you hit Angron it will not falter his attack because he is souly focused on tearing you apart, not careing about anything else.

How does his body handle those kinds of g-forces?

 Pouncey wrote:

Yeah, uh, see, their mind might ignore the pain. That makes them dangerous. So you go for extreme overkill and just keep pumping bullets into the body until it stops being able to remain alive.

That's how people have tried to kill Angron/Kharn in the past, but that just made them angry. Kharn was once kicked by a Warhound titan and responded by scaling the thing and tearing apart it's pilots.

 Pouncey wrote:

If Angron hits you there is no time to attempt to recover from the blow or even change your stance because his next blow will follow a split second after, and then the next, and the next... And if you hit Angron it will not falter his attack because he is souly focused on tearing you apart, not careing about anything else.

How does his body handle those kinds of g-forces?

He's a primarch? Primarchs are built to last almost any kind of punishment that can be thrown at them.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Yeah, uh, see, their mind might ignore the pain. That makes them dangerous. So you go for extreme overkill and just keep pumping bullets into the body until it stops being able to remain alive.

That's how people have tried to kill Angron/Kharn in the past, but that just made them angry. Kharn was once kicked by a Warhound titan and responded by scaling the thing and tearing apart it's pilots.

 Pouncey wrote:

If Angron hits you there is no time to attempt to recover from the blow or even change your stance because his next blow will follow a split second after, and then the next, and the next... And if you hit Angron it will not falter his attack because he is souly focused on tearing you apart, not careing about anything else.

How does his body handle those kinds of g-forces?

He's a primarch? Primarchs are built to last almost any kind of punishment that can be thrown at them.

Well, I guess if you can ignore physics, you could just will him to not exist anymore and he'd stop existing.

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Yeah, uh, see, their mind might ignore the pain. That makes them dangerous. So you go for extreme overkill and just keep pumping bullets into the body until it stops being able to remain alive.

That's how people have tried to kill Angron/Kharn in the past, but that just made them angry. Kharn was once kicked by a Warhound titan and responded by scaling the thing and tearing apart it's pilots.

 Pouncey wrote:

If Angron hits you there is no time to attempt to recover from the blow or even change your stance because his next blow will follow a split second after, and then the next, and the next... And if you hit Angron it will not falter his attack because he is souly focused on tearing you apart, not careing about anything else.

How does his body handle those kinds of g-forces?

He's a primarch? Primarchs are built to last almost any kind of punishment that can be thrown at them.

Well, I guess if you can ignore physics, you could just will him to not exist anymore and he'd stop existing.

Why is it ignoring physics? Primarchs are known for their ability to survive shots that would kill anyone else, their armour is some of the best in the galaxy, they can regenerate, they can ignore pain (Angron more so) and their physical prowess is next to none. I would be suprised if Angron even paused if Sanguinius impaled him.

sorry to bust some bubbles here, but most recent depictions of sanguinius does NOT put him In the same league as angron, something drastic is going to have to happen to have sangy able to compete, I'm not a fan of this retcon but its there in the unremembered empire series.

I mean, the fella without his precog couldn't even compete with curze, and yes I know some of you will say "but he was unarmoured" armour doesn't mean squat with primarch on primarch fights, they all have weapon that cut through it with ease both on TT and in the fluff, Sangy even says himself he knows curze could kill him, so with this retcon, that puts him below curze but above a couple of the others, he would be roflestomped buy primarchs like the lion, vulkan, angron, horus acended, lorgar acended etc.

 Formosa wrote:
sorry to bust some bubbles here, but most recent depictions of sanguinius does NOT put him In the same league as angron, something drastic is going to have to happen to have sangy able to compete, I'm not a fan of this retcon but its there in the unremembered empire series.

I mean, the fella without his precog couldn't even compete with curze, and yes I know some of you will say "but he was unarmoured" armour doesn't mean squat with primarch on primarch fights, they all have weapon that cut through it with ease both on TT and in the fluff, Sangy even says himself he knows curze could kill him, so with this retcon, that puts him below curze but above a couple of the others, he would be roflestomped buy primarchs like the lion, vulkan, angron, horus acended, lorgar acended etc.

Haven't read the book and not in the best state of mind right now, but I'd have to say that just because one book says Sanguinius is not upper tier does not mean that he is not upper tier. Think of all the books that say Sangy is an absolute beast. There are loads. How many say he sucks. One. I'd be inclined to say Sanguinius is still in the top 3 without breaking a sweat.

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

Cassor the Damned wrote:
to argue otherwise is heresy

Mate, I am Heresy.

*BLAM*

Also, once again, only a fool claims to understand what the Gods' intentions are.

Well, I mean, I'm...

What exactly is an atheist who never believed to begin with, anyways? Still a heathen, or are we just called non-believers?

Oh by Sigmar.

We have a follower of Necoho!! Call in the grey knights and as many baby c- er I mean dreadknights!

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Chaos_Gods#Necoho