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 angelofvengeance wrote:

Zond wrote:
Is this game solely about Reavers and Hellions? Or will the rules support Venous, Raiders and Scourge or anything else flying?

Just reavers and hellions currently. I'd not be surprised if venoms and scourge turn up though

That's a likely White Dwarf expansion for the rules, right there.

With how deep the game's tactics seemed to be on the stream i'm surprised the rule book is only 24pgs

 Matrixrevived wrote:
With how deep the game's tactics seemed to be on the stream i'm surprised the rule book is only 24pgs

All you need to do is take a look at Space Hulk, Chess, Battlefleet Gothic and Epic to see that more rules doesn't necessarily mean greater tactical depth

Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Matrixrevived wrote:
With how deep the game's tactics seemed to be on the stream i'm surprised the rule book is only 24pgs

All you need to do is take a look at Space Hulk, Chess, Battlefleet Gothic and Epic to see that more rules doesn't necessarily mean greater tactical depth

How many pages was BFG's rulebook? Blood Bowl is 64 pages and to me has more tactical depth than 40k. Gangs of Commoragh I feel will be really good.

 Souleater wrote:
I think there would be top flight Haemonculi who work for the elite. Then there would be less talented (or ill-favoured) Haemonculi who have to work for less well off patrons.

Also we can assume that if a DArk eldar choses to become a Haemonculi will have little issue offering his services cheap until he can master his art.

 Matrixrevived wrote:

Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 Matrixrevived wrote:
With how deep the game's tactics seemed to be on the stream i'm surprised the rule book is only 24pgs

All you need to do is take a look at Space Hulk, Chess, Battlefleet Gothic and Epic to see that more rules doesn't necessarily mean greater tactical depth

How many pages was BFG's rulebook? Blood Bowl is 64 pages and to me has more tactical depth than 40k. Gangs of Commoragh I feel will be really good.

Very few from what I recall, which is the poibnt I am making. The games I mentioned are very tactical and dont have rules bloat. However, saying that, I am a fan of 40k and its the large variety of rules and battles that can be played that appeals to me as well as the background. Its not tight rules wise, but im not too worried about that, just wish there was a bit more balance points wise etc. GoC looks great and im sorely tempted to pick up a copy or two...

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
@streetsamurai: If Dark Eldar are paid up with a haemonculus, they can regenerate from their wounds. So long as the soul hasn't been eaten that is. That and a lot of Dark Eldar are vat-born.

yeah, but IIRC, only the richest of the rich can afford such services. No way every gangers would be able to.

Not at all; the Haemonculi have a scale of fees to suit every purse. Extra money just means faster, more effective turn-around and less experimentation is all.

you're right. Just re-read the fluff and it states that most warriors will make such a deal with a haemoculus. Only thing is that the richer one will get reborn rapidly, hence lose less of their power in the process.

I would have like to see such a mechanic implemented instead of the ''nobody's ever die'' thing they seems to have going.

It shouldn't be too hard to tweak for personal campaigns, though I fear that by making this statement another Canadian on these forums will no doubt try and get me banned from my FLGS again for having the audacity to suggest house-rules.

You could always have fresh meat be killed off permanently, because after all, they are nothing but that. But as models grow in potential, there could be an option for them to make a return, but either at a cost in souls or having the model sit out one or two campaign rounds as the Haemonculi create a new one for you.

Is the vid of the gameplay available somewhere? I'd like to take a look

 streetsamurai wrote:
Is the vid of the gameplay available somewhere? I'd like to take a look

Warhammer Twitch. You can watch stuff live for free but you have to subscribe (monthly/yearly fee) to watch older content

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Is the vid of the gameplay available somewhere? I'd like to take a look

Warhammer Twitch. You can watch stuff live for free but you have to subscribe (monthly/yearly fee) to watch older content

if you're an amazon prime customer you do get to subscribe to one channel a month free and can pick the same one again and again if you want (https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2574674-how-to-use-twitch-prime-free-subscriptions)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Is the vid of the gameplay available somewhere? I'd like to take a look

Warhammer Twitch. You can watch stuff live for free but you have to subscribe (monthly/yearly fee) to watch older content

if you're an amazon prime customer you do get to subscribe to one channel a month free and can pick the same one again and again if you want (https://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/2574674-how-to-use-twitch-prime-free-subscriptions)

Thats pretty nice, good to know, thanks

GW is so despicable and idiotic sometimes. Who the hell will pay for what is not much more than publicity? Was interested in buying the game but I sure won't suscribe to a paid channel to have the ''opportunity'' to see if the game is worth getting or not. Their loss.

 streetsamurai wrote:
GW is so despicable and idiotic sometimes. Who the hell will pay for what is not much more than publicity? Was interested in buying the game but I sure won't suscribe to a paid channel to have the ''opportunity'' to see if the game is worth getting or not. Their loss.

Probably to avoid gakky messages from people with an axe to grind. They've said the playthrough video will be uploaded to the YouTube channel.

Despicable? Oo

Anyway, that aside, I've been quite enjoying their twitch (only watching free), it's a bit more than just advertising.

Might get a subscription so I can catch up on all of it

 streetsamurai wrote:
GW is so despicable and idiotic sometimes. Who the hell will pay for what is not much more than publicity? Was interested in buying the game but I sure won't suscribe to a paid channel to have the ''opportunity'' to see if the game is worth getting or not. Their loss.

Actually, it's yours - judging by the amount of people who watch the streams live, the consensus is that they are popular and worth the small fee.
Becareful though, you might cut yourself with all that edge.

How can it be my lost if I actually don't lose anything, while GW lose the possibility of selling me their game?

It's mindboggling that after all these years, GW still hasn't comprehend that for a manufacturing company, the Internet should be used to reach as much potential customers as possible, and not be seen as a way to make a quick buck, and it's even more mindboggling to see customers defending them.

I'm rather sure GW will manage to loose on that 35 GBP...

 streetsamurai wrote:
How can it be my lost if I actually don't lose anything, while GW lose the possibility of selling me their game?

It's mindboggling that after all these years, GW still hasn't comprehend that for a manufacturing company, the Internet should be used to reach as much potential customers as possible, and not be seen as a way to make a quick buck, and it's even more mindboggling to see customers defending them.

If it boggles your mind, maybe I can put it into terms you can understand?
If you wanted to buy this product, and won't because of such a illogical and bitter reason, then yes it is your loss - the copy you would have bought will make it into someone else's hands.
The warhammer community site reaches the customers -GW is using the internet to reach as many people as fast as possible.
The Warhammer Live is a premier service - camera's and the servers necessary to stream live cost money, not to mention the tech crews, the hosts, etc. If it's not something you are interested in, then kool.
That doesn't make the company 'despicable.' That kind of bitter, resentful attitude regardless of actual cause is more damaging than GW's blunders, because it devalues their actual mistakes.

And I'll defend anyone against that kind of poor, undeveloped logic. Hold them accountable for actual mistakes - put your pitchfork away.

Neronoxx wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
How can it be my lost if I actually don't lose anything, while GW lose the possibility of selling me their game?

It's mindboggling that after all these years, GW still hasn't comprehend that for a manufacturing company, the Internet should be used to reach as much potential customers as possible, and not be seen as a way to make a quick buck, and it's even more mindboggling to see customers defending them.

If it boggles your mind, maybe I can put it into terms you can understand?
If you wanted to buy this product, and won't because of such a illogical and bitter reason, then yes it is your loss - the copy you would have bought will make it into someone else's hands.
The warhammer community site reaches the customers -GW is using the internet to reach as many people as fast as possible.
The Warhammer Live is a premier service - camera's and the servers necessary to stream live cost money, not to mention the tech crews, the hosts, etc. If it's not something you are interested in, then kool.
That doesn't make the company 'despicable.' That kind of bitter, resentful attitude regardless of actual cause is more damaging than GW's blunders, because it devalues their actual mistakes.

And I'll defend anyone against that kind of poor, undeveloped logic. Hold them accountable for actual mistakes - put your pitchfork away.

It actually makes me laugh when random internet poster assume that everyone is ignorant. I'm actually an university prof in marketing, so I know a thing or two about viral and internet promotion. GW treating these videos as a way to make revenue is a terrible managerial decision, since the gain are insignificant for them, and it would be much more worthwhile to treat it as a promotion tool.

And you have to understang the meaning of the word you use. Nnot having the possibility of seeing the gameplay of a game is actually a very logical reason to not buy it.


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SKR.HH wrote:
I'm rather sure GW will manage to loose on that 35 GBP...

Which means you're not seeing the big picture, since that 35 GBP probably would have probably have translated in me buying a whole army of DE.

 streetsamurai wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:
I'm rather sure GW will manage to loose on that 35 GBP...

Which means you're not seeing the big picture, since that 35 GBP probably would have made me buy a whole army of DE.

Then you're obviously not interested in the game in the first place (as you're looking for the use in 40k). So... where is the problem with the delayed video???

I'm not following your logic here. I'm actually very interested in the game. Me being interested in GOC AND Me subsequently buying an army of a DE because GOC would give me a good base to build IT are not mutually exclusive

 streetsamurai wrote:
I'm not following your logic here. I'm actually very interested in the game. Me being interested in GOC AND Me subsequently buying an army of a DE because GOC would give me a good base to build IT are not mutually exclusive

Then wait until the video is available on youtube... As pointed out above it will come later the week.

Agreed that if they subsequently release it on youtube, it's not that big of a deal. Just make the decision even weirder since it means that you have to pay to have the priviledge of watching the gameplay video before non-subscriber.

Without being a university professor of marketing, I can see that the channel is good publicity. The content is good, more than just advertising, and it costs me nothing thanks to Prime. Word spreading of the content being good gets others to subscribe. Early reveals and features more so. More people subscribing generates revenue to sustain the channel and do more ambitious things.

I was sceptical as hell but now tune in often as I can. Seriously, it's brilliant how they've done it. Content that has surprised me by being decent, endearingly bumbling hosts (Rob's vocabulary consists solely of the word "super" and I love it), and a model that stops it being simply a cost to the company. No one has lost out on anything, nothing is a cash grab when you can sub for free with that other thing you've already paid for. Pitchforks away, sirrah!

Yeah, but that's because you were already a GW customer. Persons who are not currently GW customers but who could potentially be in the future, sure as hell won't pay to see these vids, and these vids would be excellent recruitment tools.

Anyway, we're getting off-topic

So what your saying is someone who isn't a GW customer won't pay to watch the chanel?

That's called logic.

All in the very same way I don't waste money on sports channels.
So sporting goods stores aren't losing out from me on those either.



Customers do not go straight in for a premium service, they tend to look about first.
If someone decides they are going to pay for a chanel about something have no knowledge of, then that's hardly the normal thing.





And if not getting a chanel for free influences your purchase on a decent priced box, then that's your loss.
Primarily it's a stand alone game, but many will buy it simply for the models.
How a chanel showing early previews would make you buy or not buy it I don't know.




As stated, the video will hit youtube later on.
And no, people aren't having to pay to see it early.
They are paying for all of the content from it.
Something which GoC is a small part of.


However, let's all grab pitchforks and torches because GW is the first company to ever charge for a chanel -sigh-









As stated above, it's free with Amazon prime free pick.
And after what I've seen on there so far, I'd have no issues paying either.
It's actually a bloody good chanel.






Either way, the game looks decent like all their quick play games.
And is then made a lot better by being cheaper than 2 reaver sets alone.
Doesn't matter if you feel upset about a sub fee, this box is going to sell bloody well.
Wouldn't mind betting a few more DE players pop up because of it too.

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 Jackal wrote:
So what your saying is someone who isn't a GW customer won't pay to watch the chanel?

That's called logic.

All in the very same way I don't waste money on sports channels.
So sporting goods stores aren't losing out from me on those either.



Customers do not go straight in for a premium service, they tend to look about first.
If someone decides they are going to pay for a chanel about something have no knowledge of, then that's hardly the normal thing.





And if not getting a chanel for free influences your purchase on a decent priced box, then that's your loss.
Primarily it's a stand alone game, but many will buy it simply for the models.
How a chanel showing early previews would make you buy or not buy it I don't know.




As stated, the video will hit youtube later on.
And no, people aren't having to pay to see it early.
They are paying for all of the content from it.
Something which GoC is a small part of.


However, let's all grab pitchforks and torches because GW is the first company to ever charge for a chanel -sigh-









As stated above, it's free with Amazon prime free pick.
And after what I've seen on there so far, I'd have no issues paying either.
It's actually a bloody good chanel.






Either way, the game looks decent like all their quick play games.
And is then made a lot better by being cheaper than 2 reaver sets alone.
Doesn't matter if you feel upset about a sub fee, this box is going to sell bloody well.
Wouldn't mind betting a few more DE players pop up because of it too.

The comparaison is not a very good one, since the sport channel and the sporting goods store are not the same commercial entity, while GW and GW twitch are.

And what I'm actually saying is that restricting the channels to those who pay is counterproductive for GW, since it would be much more useful as a promotional tool to get potential customers interested into the product.

Except the chanel isn't purely for promotion, which is the issue.
It's specifically for people who are already GW players/fans.

It isn't a tool for recruiting new people to the hobby.
Your basing all of your issues on it being used as a recruitment/advertiser, when it's actually neither.


No one is going to go out and pay for a chanel they know nothing about, that's simply idiotic.

And that's exactly my point. It's a terrible business decision to use it as way to make direct revenues (there's probably not more than a few thousands subscribers, so the revenue is negligible) and it would be much more efficient for them to use it as a marketing tool, since even if they only manage to get 10 new players each month with it, it would greatly exceed the revenue they get with the subscription fees (not to mention the improvement in their brand image)

What's idiotic is not understanding this basic business argument