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Don't forget, the HLOT in M41 are not the same as the HLOT after the Heresy. Even if the previous HLOT had authorised it, the current HLOT may not be so forgiving.

As for the geneseed tampering, it's unlikely they could do it. They might try, but geneseed has only really been mastered by two people - the Emperor and Fabius Bile. The Blood Angels have had a geneseed defect for their entire history, and that's never been cured. Therefore, it's unlikely the precog could be cut out of the geneseed.

 corfortius74 wrote:
So in a very circumstantial situation and if the High lords of terra don't purge these supposed loyalists night lords. It's within possibility, and that's only if they take the gene seed dub it "unknown" or keep it a highly guarded secret. have it used in a space marine chapter for a very specific reason, and then you have a space marine chapter.i have one question though: if these circumstances were to be filled out through some miracle of the emperor, would the High Lords of Terra alter the gene seed in anyway to remove the negative visions they have.


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I understand the flaws of having this traitor loyalist chapter. And i understand it may not work out but I'm committed to see if there is the slightest chance that this will work.

Night Lord geneseed is incredibly pure, Ultramarine levels pure, I'm not entirely sure the HLOT would be able to tell which legion it is from, all they would see is its lack of mutations, give it a big ole' gold star and move on.

Oh, and altering geneseed isn't possible for the Imperium to do and even if it was, it would be utmost heresy.

 corfortius74 wrote:
So the best course of action is to have another imperial force look at them from a different point of view for example: like what wraith said have imperial documents of what each imperial force record what they saw, being out right disgusted of what they saw or how relived they were when the chapter turned things around with much ferocity.

Perfect

Another cool thing to write about would be pitting an Inquisitor against them who's starting to piece things together. You could frame the whole thing as scraps of evidence that the Inquisitor has put together about them. Just little things like "942.M41 - Astartes of the ? chapter observed skinning captured chaotic cultists and placing the resultant faces over their own helmets. Tactic proved effective against insurgents so not reported to authorities. Reports gleaned from deranged mutterings of traumatised allied Guardsmen.".

I suppose you've got a choice with Night Lord geneseed about nature vs nurture. How much of the Night Lords' behaviour was due to their geneseed, and how much was to do with their origins in Nostraman culture? I could definitely see them ending up as a more standard (less psychotic nutcase) chapter whose Marines are wracked with terrible visions of their impending deaths. That'd be a cool way to go if you don't want to make them all psychopaths

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:

 corfortius74 wrote:

I understand the flaws of having this traitor loyalist chapter. And i understand it may not work out but I'm committed to see if there is the slightest chance that this will work.

Night Lord geneseed is incredibly pure, Ultramarine levels pure, I'm not entirely sure the HLOT would be able to tell which legion it is from, all they would see is its lack of mutations, give it a big ole' gold star and move on.

That's a brilliant idea when it comes to making stupid decisions (like resurrecting the Night Lords) you've got two real solid things to fall back on in the 40k universe: Desperation and/or Ignorance.

I quite like the idea of the HLOT giving the stamp of approval to pure geneseed without any knowledge whatsoever of its origins.

Alongside deliberate sanction of using their geneseed due to the increasing desperation the Imperium's going through you've got two solid ways to make Night Lord geneseed eminently plausible

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:


Oh, and altering geneseed isn't possible for the Imperium to do and even if it was, it would be utmost heresy.

They're definitely able to alter geneseed, but it's strictly off the books and the Tech Magos would be in some very terminal trouble with the Inquisition if they found out. Plus, they haven't the foggiest idea what they're doing with it. The biggest example of tampering with geneseed is the Cursed 21st Founding. Loads of really f*cky things happened, most of them bad (this being 40k). Anyone bar Fabius Bile is pretty much shooting in the dark with geneseed modification.

What that means is that if you go down the road of having your Night Lords geneseed modified to try and remove the negative traits, the most likely thing that would happen is the negative trait would be cured but replaced with something worse you could have them as one of the cursed 21st founding chapters if you want, as that would be a point where they might have experimented with Night Lord geneseed as it'd be a very pure starting point

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
Night Lord geneseed is incredibly pure, Ultramarine levels pure, I'm not entirely sure the HLOT would be able to tell which legion it is from, all they would see is its lack of mutations, give it a big ole' gold star and move on.

Besides, it's not the High Lords that test it. The AdMech on Mars receive the tithes, test it for purity and store it for possible future use. If there's nothing odd in the way of mutation they have no reason to start comparing the geneseed to known Loyalist stocks.

In theory the AdMech might even have it on file what heritage the Chapter has, but the security clearance for that information is probably way above the pay grade of the guy who does the routine testing of tithes.

I gotta say this has been very helpful, thanks guys i'll get to work on writing my chapters origin.

No worries looking forward to what you come up with

I'll be blatantly honest, I did not read through most of this thread but I noted the night lords discussion and drew a surprise parallell. The chapter "Mantis warriors" has a flaw in their gene seed that gave some warriors light precognition. They sided with Huron during his rebellion but where later defeated and loyalist Mantis warriors where placed under the scrutiny of the Inquisition. Said warriors had no psyker backgrounds. Unexplained precognition in a geene seed sounds a bit night lordy.

Aha! Now that's how to do very light-touch Night Lords descendants

I can't think of another geneseed that has those symptoms...

 Nerak wrote:
I'll be blatantly honest, I did not read through most of this thread but I noted the night lords discussion and drew a surprise parallell. The chapter "Mantis warriors" has a flaw in their gene seed that gave some warriors light precognition. They sided with Huron during his rebellion but where later defeated and loyalist Mantis warriors where placed under the scrutiny of the Inquisition. Said warriors had no psyker backgrounds. Unexplained precognition in a geene seed sounds a bit night lordy.

Siding with Huron also sounds pretty nightlordy

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