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tneva82 wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
I'm not ignoring the portents, I'm pointing out that you're over-analizing, going as far as saying that there will be an eldar civil war (of sorts, the three groups against each other) just by going on the title.

Well if we are to draw pararels there is going to be opposite of civil war. ET3 dealt with END of a civil war leading into united elves. Equilavent would be eldars joining up to one. But isn't that what it's starting to look like?

Not really, we just know there's an avatar of Ynnead coming in. And that's it. If anything it would mean that things are going to make an even more sour divide between the eldar as the Avatar of Khaine in End TImes appears to make the fight even worse. Hell, the avatar itself ISN'T the uniter in ET, but an element tha hinders this event, so I'm not seeing them going the ET: Khaine plotline at all.

But I highly doubt it, since shards of gods are already common place in eldar society, so it wouldn't stir that much of a ruckus. So there's not much reason to assume Ynncarne will unify the eldar.

At this point I just need Atia or some other well renowned rumormonger to come outright and say what is and is not happening with Eldar. I totally get the fear that aspect warriors are disappearing because there's been no sign of them being redone when there's been at the least TWO opportunities in 7th for those models to become plastic.

That being said, plastic or no plastic doesn't mean anything. My Tomb Kings received a slew of new plastic and new awesome units that were playable for only a few years before End Times hit and that army started its' crumble. I can't trust whether or not something is plastic as a surefire sign of it staying or going.

Aspect Warriors aren't going anywhere. This doom and gloom bogging down the thread is annoying as feth.

 insaniak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

The aspects aren't that easy to combo kit without changing their looks a lot. They are quite distinct.

They're not that distinct. Warp Spiders are really the only one that couldn't be included in a box of standardised 'Aspect' bodies with a bunch of different arms and heads.

Nah, Warp Spiders are just a rear-half torso, arms and a head away from Striking Scorpions

They could even do Shining Spears as an 'upgrade pack' for Windriders giving them a different helmet, a lance and some trailing banners of some sort

Scorpions/Spiders
Reapers/Dragons
Banshees/Hawks
Windriders/Spears
Dire Avengers are already plastic

The best thing about that, is that there isn't a single box that won't sell well due to poor rules.

Banshees aren't competitive, but Hawks are. Reapers aren't necessarily competitive, but Dragons are. Scorpions aren't competitive, but Spiders sure as hell are. Spears aren't competitive, but Windriders are the foundation of eldar cheese lists. Oh, and DAs are pretty solid as they are

Come on GW. You know you want to do it...

Seems like the dual kit is out of fashion, or is that just me?

When was the last one?

Shame. I love dual kits. Doubles the number of units GW can put out, and provides loads of bits for converters like myself

Have the recent kits that have been released lent themselves to dual-kitting? I can't imagine what they'd put together with Rubric Marines or Tzaangors as they're pretty distinctive.

What else has been released recently?

I suppose you have Archer variants of things on the AoS side - would the Tau be the last 40k example?

Vorian wrote:
Seems like the dual kit is out of fashion, or is that just me?

When was the last one?

I think you are right....kind of. GW is about to release a dual Lord of Change/Fateweaver kit. But over all they have been releasing single unit boxes lately.
Still, combo Aspect Warriors should be a no-brainer

Dragons/Reapers = same armour, same pose. Just weapon & head changes. Maybe tabards for the Reapers
Bansees/Hawks = same armour same poses. Again, weapon & head changes, wings for the Hawks. You can include 5 female and 2-3 male chest plates
Scorpions/Spiders = same armour, similar crouching poses. Different arms, weaposn and heads. Warp generator for the Spiders.

These poxes would have no more "extra bit" than say, the Necron Lych Guard/Pretorian box, or even the Immortal/Death Mark box
Sadly, I don't see how this will happen soon unless Fracture of Biel-Tan is a different release style that Fal of Cadia (something we have no evidence for)

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Vorian wrote:
I suppose you have Archer variants of things on the AoS side - would the Tau be the last 40k example?

Genestealer Cult.
Acolytes/Metamorphs were a dual kit.
Goliath and Rockgrinder were a dual kit.


Honestly though, we haven't seen a whole lot of "troop" releases for 40k this past year.

Vorian wrote:
I suppose you have Archer variants of things on the AoS side - would the Tau be the last 40k example?

Yeah, Tzeentch for AoS just got the Tzaangor Skyfires/Tzaangor Enlightened (or whatever, Tzaangor on Discs). Genestealer Cults Acolyte Hybrid kit makes two units.

Vorian wrote:
Seems like the dual kit is out of fashion, or is that just me?

When was the last one?

This coming weekend with the Tzaangor Englightened/Skyfire kit.

True, these just seem more like weapon options of the same thing rather than the totally different units stuck together like you had with the last Dark Elves release.

Two totally different aspects in the same box doesn't feel to be like something they would do.

Vorian wrote:
True, these just seem more like weapon options of the same thing rather than the totally different units stuck together like you had with the last Dark Elves release.

Two totally different aspects in the same box doesn't feel to be like something they would do.

Yeah, but out of the Dark Elves release only a few were genuinely "totally different units stuck together".

That was primarily driven by the Black Guard/Executioners where you're talking different heads, an additional "collar" piece, and a bit of a different setup for the arms(1h v 2h) and the Dark Riders/Warlocks.

The War Hydra/Kharibdyss? Head swaps to the beast, and the Kharibdyss gets a "belly mouth" where the War Hydra has a weird claw instead.
Altar/Shrine? Add the Medusae or subtract it and add in the Hag.
Chariot I guess comes a bit closer to what you're getting at, as the only real shared part between the two is the wheel and the yoke for the steeds.
Warriors? Arm swaps, that's all.

I've said before that if we don't see a dual box more or less broken up how Galef did it, expect to see a radical shift as to how the various Aspects are portrayed.
The Fire Dragons and Dark Reapers have always been the more static ones, posed to be firing their weapons and showing off their bigger bulk.
Banshees and Swooping Hawks have exceedingly similar armor and the poses for "crazed ninja assassin" and "dynamic jump troop" can be very similar(see Infinity).
Scorpions and Spiders actually are another good choice, although I've always said done Scorpions and Fire Dragons and Spiders and Reapers. Scorpions and Spiders can be done in a kind of pseudo-stalkery pose, with them shown midadvance or the like.

I can see it being possible to do Aspect Warriors as a single box since visually the difference between standard and Heavy Aspect Armour is pretty much none existent. 8 torso fronts (3 male and 5 female), 5 back, 5 crouched/standing legs, 5 leaping legs, 5 two-part helmets where the Banshee hair, the Scorpion Dreadlocks etc are separate pieces, 5 Reaper Heads, all the weapon choices, back packs for Hawks and Spiders, Exarch heads and weapons and assorted bits.

The real downside to this though is that it would probably require 3 sprues and the expected price.

There were the witches and whatever they paired with too.

If they didn't dual the jetbikes with the spears, I doubt they are doing any!

Vorian wrote:
There were the witches and whatever they paired with too.

Which were just head swaps and a few other bits. The Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter were basically the same unit barring the SoS having masks and whip/dagger arms v. Witch Elves having normal heads and dual knives.

If they didn't dual the jetbikes with the spears, I doubt they are doing any!

I mean, there's a couple of reasons that could be beyond simply "they didn't do it". They may want to go through remaining stock of Shining Spears conversion kits, they held it back to do something else entirely like Shining Spears becoming based off a new Vyper chassis/kit instead, or they have an idea for another Aspect to go with the Shining Spears, etc.

Sure, it's all conjecture. The only thing we know for certain is they could have, but didn't.

I don't doubt they could dial all sorts of aspects, all we have at the moment is a personal gut feeling on it

So how many pages of Aspect Warrior speculation are the mods going to allow?

It is neither news nor rumor.

The Imperium, the flag ship faction, only got what came in the Triumvirate box.

Any hopes for getting anything other than the Eldar threesome is pretty foolish if the main characters, the protagonists, the faction which the plot revolves, didn't get anything more than one box.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
So how many pages of Aspect Warrior speculation are the mods going to allow?

It is neither news nor rumor.

Funny I would think Gathering Storm 2 fracture of Beil Tan, a craftworld known for it's gak loads of aspect warriors, possibly being reworked as perfectly on topic.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
So how many pages of Aspect Warrior speculation are the mods going to allow?

It is neither news nor rumor.

Funny I would think Gathering Storm 2 fracture of Beil Tan, a craftworld known for it's gak loads of aspect warriors, possibly being reworked as perfectly on topic.

Please point to the news or rumor that says we're getting new Aspect Warriors.

Because all I've seen on Aspect Warriors are pages and pages of wishlisting and bs.

Makes it very frustrating for people who are interested in actual information, which is what this subforum is for.

Edited cos I was being an ass

It'll steer itself back on course when the next important piece of info comes out.

They will be talking about the new book on warhammer live this Thursday, so that will be the next bit of info we get.

 Crazyterran wrote:
The Imperium, the flag ship faction, only got what came in the Triumvirate box.

Any hopes for getting anything other than the Eldar threesome is pretty foolish if the main characters, the protagonists, the faction which the plot revolves, didn't get anything more than one box.

That's how I see it as well.

Chaos 3 way next I guess?

 Mr Morden wrote:

Chaos 3 way next I guess?

Well, if Slaanesh is involved, sure I guess a 3-way would be appropriate.

What I do think is interesting outside of speculating if any of the three Aeldari models were originally other pre-existing characters, is that all but one model in the Fall of Cadia arc has been brand new. Celestine existed previously sure, but Cawl- greyfax- and the three heralds of Ynnead are all new characters.

There's hope that Archaon Abaddon will get a new improved model, but I'd be excited to see three brand new chaos characters.

I almost wonder if Abaddon and the Chaos models will be the final release (provided there are four) not the third. It seems like it would be a bit better of a build up. The book he would be featured in would also be last. I am fully expecting the final release to have Dante and Cypher in it, probably alongside a Primarch. Dante is supposed to be the last line of defense for the Emperor and Cypher is supposed to be heading toward Terra for whatever his plan is. Cawl has something in his possession that is pissing Abaddon off. That something is probably related to the Primarch that will be coming.

The big red guy is cool, but the other two are extremely ugly. I can't decide between the girls headdress and the avatars swirling mess.

Also I was actually partially correct on the Ynead thing. I speculated a year ago when the boardame and story with Eldrad came out that this could happen, but I was wrong when they would do it. I thought they would save it for a future plot point because it seems to much more important than three guys I figured they would release a whole sub army for them. Meanwhile I thought Exodites uniting to stop a big invasion with the other Eldar in a sort of doomed fight for survival would be a thing. Then all three of them would team up for a future series to bring the Ynead sub faction into play. Also there was a person form this forum in those story speculation threads who proposed the idea this would be a civil war type deal with Ynead faction.

I don't know if we will see Exodites this year or not now. I suppose it all depends on the story content in the book and which direction GW take. For the moment it certainly looks a lot less likely.

It also looks less likely that the existing Eldar forces will get units of any kind. Still I got until the end of the year before I'm completely wrong on that one new DE model remark.

I'm disappointed on all accounts. I feel the fusion of the two styles looks silly and they didn't do it very well. I'm not a fan of regular craft world Eldar and these definitely look more like CWE then DE and I find their particular style is one of my least liked in the game. Also the whole Slaanesh deamon look isn't my cup of tea either. More of a Tzeentch person.

Edit
I was foolish enough to say that last year I would likely get the new Eldar faction, but the looks have killed that for me. How do you mess up a god of death so bad... now to look forward to gathering storm 3 leaks lol.

What happened to the February white dwarf? Usually I would've gotten it last week but I haven't even seen pics of it...

 Mymearan wrote:
What happened to the February white dwarf? Usually I would've gotten it last week but I haven't even seen pics of it...

I believe it's a week later this month, so next Monday according to the LGS guy i know.