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tneva82 wrote:

The aspects aren't that easy to combo kit without changing their looks a lot. They are quite distinct.

They're not that distinct. Warp Spiders are really the only one that couldn't be included in a box of standardised 'Aspect' bodies with a bunch of different arms and heads.

 Red Corsair wrote:
I think some folks are speculating the elimination of at least some aspects due to the fact that so much of the fething line is fine cast.

-shining spears
-striking scorpions
-fire dragons
-warp spyders
-Howling banshees
-swooping hawks
-dark reapers

not to mention

-warlocks
-Avatar of khiane
-jainzar
-karandras
-maugun rah
-Ashurman
-Feugan
-Baharoth
-pathfinders

Can anyone think of another faction that even comes close to this level of finecast?

I hope they figure something out but I can't imagine GW keeping finecast around forever.

Before the last update Nids were pretty close with nearly all of their elites being metal / resin. Most of them have been re-done in plastic.

I can totally see the Phoenix Lords getting sidelined for a while during the 8E shift, but my bet is we'll see plastic aspect warriors soon™. It makes a lot of sense to refresh existing units (like they did with Rubrics) in this end times build-up and save new stuff for after 8th drops.

 insaniak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

The aspects aren't that easy to combo kit without changing their looks a lot. They are quite distinct.

They're not that distinct. Warp Spiders are really the only one that couldn't be included in a box of standardised 'Aspect' bodies with a bunch of different arms and heads.

That would be hell of a messy box. And you would need female torsos for banshees so basically they share no parts. Scorpions are heavier armour than dire avengers so same leg/torso aren't cutting it. Swooping hawks is basically kit to themselves. Shining spears...

Let's see. One kit for shining spears, one kit for swooping hawks. Scorpions and dark reapers would share heavy armour but we would get quite static scorpions then(or gung-ho jumping dark reapers ) but let's call that 1 kit by having bunch of more moving legs so not all scorpions look like on parade. And okay let's put fire dragons on there as well. Howling banshees one kit. Warp spiders one kit.

So even that is 5 kits right there. Pretty much entire release run right there and results in scorpions looking likely bit static since pose needs to look good for aspect that's standing and shooting heavy weapons.

tneva82 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

The aspects aren't that easy to combo kit without changing their looks a lot. They are quite distinct.

They're not that distinct. Warp Spiders are really the only one that couldn't be included in a box of standardised 'Aspect' bodies with a bunch of different arms and heads.

That would be hell of a messy box. And you would need female torsos for banshees so basically they share no parts. Scorpions are heavier armour than dire avengers so same leg/torso aren't cutting it. Swooping hawks is basically kit to themselves. Shining spears...

Let's see. One kit for shining spears, one kit for swooping hawks. Scorpions and dark reapers would share heavy armour but we would get quite static scorpions then(or gung-ho jumping dark reapers ) but let's call that 1 kit by having bunch of more moving legs so not all scorpions look like on parade. And okay let's put fire dragons on there as well. Howling banshees one kit. Warp spiders one kit.

So even that is 5 kits right there. Pretty much entire release run right there and results in scorpions looking likely bit static since pose needs to look good for aspect that's standing and shooting heavy weapons.

Although there's nothing stopping them redesigning them slightly to get them closer, to do fewer kits. As long as the different parts made them look distinct enough I wouldn't have an issue with that.

They could, with very little re-designing, pair the on-foot aspects as:
Dark Reapers // Fire Dragons — heavy armour, static "shooting" poses
Striking Scorpions // Warp Spiders — heavy armour and crouching,dynamic poses
Swooping Hawks // Howling Banshees — light armour and acrobatic, mobile poses

Leaving Dire Avengers and Shining Spears as the most numerous and most specialised aspects as their own stand-alone kits.

Dark Reapers and Fire Dragons could share a kit. Maybe Dire Avengers too if you somehow distinguish their armour as being lighter. Banshees would need their own, all-female+jumping around doesn't fit any other aspect. Scorpions and Warp Spiders could share a kit, they could share bodies and have separate heads/weapons and a warp jump generator. Let's put Hawks in there as well, but again their armour is supposed to be lighter. Shining Spears should've been a combo kit with Windriders, but alas... so you could get it down to 4 at minimum, but you'd need at least two triple kits (do any such exist currently?). I don't see how you could do less than that.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
They could, with very little re-designing, pair the on-foot aspects as:
Dark Reapers // Fire Dragons — heavy armour, static "shooting" poses
Striking Scorpions // Warp Spiders — heavy armour and crouching,dynamic poses
Swooping Hawks // Howling Banshees — light armour and acrobatic, mobile poses

Leaving Dire Avengers and Shining Spears as the most numerous and most specialised aspects as their own stand-alone kits.

Thought nearly the same thing. Not all kits are easy, but nevertheless doable. Dire Avengers could be combined with simple Guardians, the later really need new models. And I never understood why GW didn't add Shining Spears to the new jet bike box. Would have been easy and clever - but now would cost extra money for new molds.

Agree that Guardians could do with a new kit but combining with Dire Avengers, though possible, would be counterproductive I think. What they need to do is one Guardian kit that has Storm Guardian close combat weapons and a HWP with all options, to make all kinds of Guardian with.

 Mymearan wrote:
Dark Reapers and Fire Dragons could share a kit. Maybe Dire Avengers too if you somehow distinguish their armour as being lighter. Banshees would need their own, all-female+jumping around doesn't fit any other aspect. Scorpions and Warp Spiders could share a kit, they could share bodies and have separate heads/weapons and a warp jump generator. Let's put Hawks in there as well, but again their armour is supposed to be lighter. Shining Spears should've been a combo kit with Windriders, but alas... so you could get it down to 4 at minimum, but you'd need at least two triple kits (do any such exist currently?). I don't see how you could do less than that.

And 4 is pretty much average for release round. So GW would be asking "do we want to release plastic versions of what most eldar players already have or do we want to release new units they don't have".

One solution would be 1-2 plastic aspect box per release round of course leaving room for new units.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Agree that Guardians could do with a new kit but combining with Dire Avengers, though possible, would be counterproductive I think. What they need to do is one Guardian kit that has Storm Guardian close combat weapons and a HWP with all options, to make all kinds of Guardian with.

Didn't they do a recut on the kit recently in 6th, or was it just a repack? I recall them getting more of the HWP options in the redo.

Why do people think there are a whole load of new Eldar models coming beyond the three.

There were three models (well five really) for the Imperium - one for each of the Ad Mech, Sororitas and Inquisition faction but really for all Imperial forces.

No other new Sisters, No new Inquisition, No new Ad Mech.

Plastic Aspect Warriors? The Sisters need new plastic, the Ad Mech need the transports and other vehicles talked about in the fluff

Why would the Elder release be different?

There are several new models which will add to the current armies - that's probably it.

Likely next up Chaos with a set of high command figures

Still shocked no new Marines.

 Mymearan wrote:
Dark Reapers and Fire Dragons could share a kit. Maybe Dire Avengers too if you somehow distinguish their armour as being lighter.

There's not really want need for different armour. The current models don't really do much to distinguish lighter aspect from heavier.

Banshees would need their own, all-female+jumping around doesn't fit any other aspect.

Despite what the model range would have you believe, fluffwise not all Banshees are female, and not all female aspect warriors are Banshees.

So a generic kit could just include a mix of male and female torsos for any Aspect.

I know fluffwise Banshees have male warriors as well (although they are predominantly female), but traditionally the models have been female and I'd bet that trend will continue. Although if you use the same legs for males and females you could easily combine them with another "jumpy" aspect like Warp Spiders or Hawks. Still four kits though and at least one triple, so realistically five.

You don't need five.3 at most.

Shining Spears combine with regular jetbikes.

Spiders and Hawks in one kit.
Reapers, Dragons and Avengers in one shooty kit.
Scorpions and Banshees in one assaulty kit.

 insaniak wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Dark Reapers and Fire Dragons could share a kit. Maybe Dire Avengers too if you somehow distinguish their armour as being lighter.

There's not really want need for different armour. The current models don't really do much to distinguish lighter aspect from heavier.

Banshees would need their own, all-female+jumping around doesn't fit any other aspect.

Despite what the model range would have you believe, fluffwise not all Banshees are female, and not all female aspect warriors are Banshees.

So a generic kit could just include a mix of male and female torsos for any Aspect.

Fluff-wise ALL banshees are "considered" as female. That means that, even if male, you get to wear a boob-plate. Same goes for being a striking scorpions but with male-patterned armor.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
A big fluff and rules shake up that simplifies the rules and homogenises the armies. You shouldn't be so short-sighted to see AoS'ing something as simply blowing it up, it's about fundamentally changing the values and landscape of the game. Something I'm sure we can agree is seeming more likely by the day.

**I'd suggest book 1 of the End Times was Wrath of Magnus, in which an extremely powerful sorcerer lets loose his long schemed plan to destroy the nation of the monarch that humbled him in a previous life. Which isn't at all like Nagash.

Book 2 would be fall of Cadia, in which a Chaos attack is ultimately repelled by the arrival of a golden divine being in a pyrrhic victory that leaves the Empire of Man wide open for further attacks. Which isn't at all like Glotkin.

Now in book 3 we're having an Eldar faction fissure but ultimately re-unite all 3 of the important factions under the rule of the newly summoned Incarnate/Yncarne after which it will send it's aid to the Empire of Man. Not at all like Khaine. Wait a second...

There are no American tanks in Baghdad!!!

Clearly they're in the Egyptian river...

Ruin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
A big fluff and rules shake up that simplifies the rules and homogenises the armies. You shouldn't be so short-sighted to see AoS'ing something as simply blowing it up, it's about fundamentally changing the values and landscape of the game. Something I'm sure we can agree is seeming more likely by the day.

**I'd suggest book 1 of the End Times was Wrath of Magnus, in which an extremely powerful sorcerer lets loose his long schemed plan to destroy the nation of the monarch that humbled him in a previous life. Which isn't at all like Nagash.

Book 2 would be fall of Cadia, in which a Chaos attack is ultimately repelled by the arrival of a golden divine being in a pyrrhic victory that leaves the Empire of Man wide open for further attacks. Which isn't at all like Glotkin.

Now in book 3 we're having an Eldar faction fissure but ultimately re-unite all 3 of the important factions under the rule of the newly summoned Incarnate/Yncarne after which it will send it's aid to the Empire of Man. Not at all like Khaine. Wait a second...

There are no American tanks in Baghdad!!!

Clearly they're in the Egyptian river...

What bothers me is that you guys are doing a very gross skewing. "IT MATCHES END TIMES BLOW FOR BLOW!!" which is why...

a)You ignore Curse of the wulfen. You know the theory starts to go wrong when you need to ignore the first book for it to match.

b) You ignore great swathes of the plot of End Times Nagash. Hell, you're outright ignoring the plot of the first book already. Nagash wants to destroy the empire? He wants to destroy ALL LIFE and kill Chaos to boot, becoming the only god in the Warhammer World as all serve his will. It's not a revengeance plot, like Magnus', who's also a servant of Chaos, whom Nagash utterly despised and wanted to destroy. If you want to say that the plot matches end times, you should have said that the necrons enter a period of civil war, unite into one banner are in for a plan to fully anhilate life and thus starve chaos to death. Which is what the plot of Nagash is. Furthermore, In Nagash we have dwarves and elves collaborating together to stop him, something that Dark Angels and Space Wolves are NOT doing. Nagash fights against chaos, not FOR chaos.

c) Fall of Cadia has Abaddon almost die. Glottkin didn't have archaon getting pawned. Also, the forces of chaos invaded other areas prior to Altdorf, which here should be Terra, not Cadia. . And last time I checked the Emperor hasn't grown a pair of boobs, while in Glottkin it's Sigmar (in the body of Karl Franz) the one to win the day. Creed is "alive" while the fantasy equivalent died. Plus we are missing bretonnia and the mess with the dwarves at eight peaks who are fighting the goblins. Furthermore, the Empire had been already open for futher attacks as more than half the Empire was being but to the torch on both sides. Fall of Cadia is barely the gates of Kislev. As a last addendum I don't seem to remember that the chaos wastes suffer a reduction, so to speak, in glottkin.

d) Shattering of Biel-Tan is you guys wishlisting. Do we know the plot? No, in so far this is just letting your imagination run wild and say it's a fact. For all we know the event we are awaiting is a massive daemonic incursion and the eldar factions still go to their own business. Also, End times Khaine is about following an elf, not a materialization of the god of Death, which is something they have been awaiting for. Malekith becoming the Eternity King was an asspull. The Ynnead being born is a prophecy they've been "kind of" waiting for millenia.

Now, please cut it out a bit. The plot is not matching end times up to a tee. It only works out once you remove everything and make a gross and eschewed abstraction.

 insaniak wrote:
You don't need five.3 at most.

Shining Spears combine with regular jetbikes.

Spiders and Hawks in one kit.
Reapers, Dragons and Avengers in one shooty kit.
Scorpions and Banshees in one assaulty kit.

That's 4 kits. Spiders have heavy armour, hawks are supposed to be these light jump packers. Jump packs+heavy armour=does not match.

Shooty kit oddity is avenger lighter armour but then again there's already avenger box so that's not needed to replace.

Assaulty kit you have mostly female light armour kit together with heavy armour kit. Scorpions and banshees have quite different armour design. And you would need what 9-10 torsos per kit anyway for box of 5(5 females and at least 4 male ones to give plenty of males for scorpions).

So still 4 new releases so basically release cycle's entire amount and odd combinations look wise.

Lord Kragan wrote:

a)You ignore Curse of the wulfen. You know the theory starts to go wrong when you need to ignore the first book for it to match.

Does Traitor's Hate count aswell? It kind of setups the events for the Fall of Cadia if I understood right.
.P.S. Ah it was released after the Curse. My bad. Got them all messed up

 CoreCommander wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

a)You ignore Curse of the wulfen. You know the theory starts to go wrong when you need to ignore the first book for it to match.

Does Traitor's Hate count aswell? It kind of setups the events for the Fall of Cadia if I understood right.

Oh... true. Forgot about that one too.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Fluff-wise ALL banshees are "considered" as female. That means that, even if male, you get to wear a boob-plate. Same goes for being a striking scorpions but with male-patterned armor.

Don't think I've ever seen it written that gender association extends to the armour, but it's certainly a very neat way of explaining the lack of mixed gender representation amongst the aspect models and art. If it isn't official canon it should be, although I suppose you'd then have to explain why all the other aspects are a specific gender when there's currently no reason for them to be.

Cosmic Schwung wrote:
If it isn't official canon it should be, although I suppose you'd then have to explain why all the other aspects are a specific gender when there's currently no reason for them to be.

For the same reason why all Banshee's are treated as female, they represent an Aspect of their god (Khaine). As Khaine is male, it's not surprising that many of his aspects are depicted as male. Keep in mind though that these Aspects were created almost 30 years ago in the 1980s, aimed at a mostly male audience...

The Yncarne, the Avatar of Ynnead looks like is female, might Balance out the rest of the surviving Eldar Pantheon and be a nice counter balance to the Khaine worship...

Cergorach wrote:

Cosmic Schwung wrote:
If it isn't official canon it should be, although I suppose you'd then have to explain why all the other aspects are a specific gender when there's currently no reason for them to be.

For the same reason why all Banshee's are treated as female, they represent an Aspect of their god (Khaine). As Khaine is male, it's not surprising that many of his aspects are depicted as male. Keep in mind though that these Aspects were created almost 30 years ago in the 1980s, aimed at a mostly male audience...

The Yncarne, the Avatar of Ynnead looks like is female, might Balance out the rest of the surviving Eldar Pantheon and be a nice counter balance to the Khaine worship...

Its actually a haemophrodite.
It has that slaaneshi thing of having only 1 breast.

Cosmic Schwung wrote:

Don't think I've ever seen it written that gender association extends to the armour, but it's certainly a very neat way of explaining the lack of mixed gender representation amongst the aspect models and art. If it isn't official canon it should be, although I suppose you'd then have to explain why all the other aspects are a specific gender when there's currently no reason for them to be.

It's not something I've ever seen in actual fluff, either... Just something that peke have suggested per the years as a reason for the models to all be female, that seems to have become accepted as fact.


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tneva82 wrote:

That's 4 kits. Spiders have heavy armour, hawks are supposed to be these light jump packers.

And yet their armour currently looks practically the same.

I did think about buying some aspect warriors, especially Warp Spiders, but I'm not exactly fond of failcast. Make them plastic and they've got my monies.

Also, glad to see the Avatar of Ynnead has weapon options. I think I like the two blades better.

Lord Kragan wrote:


What bothers me is that you guys are doing a very gross skewing. "IT MATCHES END TIMES BLOW FOR BLOW!!" which is why...

a)You ignore Curse of the wulfen. You know the theory starts to go wrong when you need to ignore the first book for it to match.

b) You ignore great swathes of the plot of End Times Nagash. Hell, you're outright ignoring the plot of the first book already. Nagash wants to destroy the empire? He wants to destroy ALL LIFE and kill Chaos to boot, becoming the only god in the Warhammer World as all serve his will. It's not a revengeance plot, like Magnus', who's also a servant of Chaos, whom Nagash utterly despised and wanted to destroy. If you want to say that the plot matches end times, you should have said that the necrons enter a period of civil war, unite into one banner are in for a plan to fully anhilate life and thus starve chaos to death. Which is what the plot of Nagash is. Furthermore, In Nagash we have dwarves and elves collaborating together to stop him, something that Dark Angels and Space Wolves are NOT doing. Nagash fights against chaos, not FOR chaos.

c) Fall of Cadia has Abaddon almost die. Glottkin didn't have archaon getting pawned. Also, the forces of chaos invaded other areas prior to Altdorf, which here should be Terra, not Cadia. . And last time I checked the Emperor hasn't grown a pair of boobs, while in Glottkin it's Sigmar (in the body of Karl Franz) the one to win the day. Creed is "alive" while the fantasy equivalent died. Plus we are missing bretonnia and the mess with the dwarves at eight peaks who are fighting the goblins. Furthermore, the Empire had been already open for futher attacks as more than half the Empire was being but to the torch on both sides. Fall of Cadia is barely the gates of Kislev. As a last addendum I don't seem to remember that the chaos wastes suffer a reduction, so to speak, in glottkin.

d) Shattering of Biel-Tan is you guys wishlisting. Do we know the plot? No, in so far this is just letting your imagination run wild and say it's a fact. For all we know the event we are awaiting is a massive daemonic incursion and the eldar factions still go to their own business. Also, End times Khaine is about following an elf, not a materialization of the god of Death, which is something they have been awaiting for. Malekith becoming the Eternity King was an asspull. The Ynnead being born is a prophecy they've been "kind of" waiting for millenia.

Now, please cut it out a bit. The plot is not matching end times up to a tee. It only works out once you remove everything and make a gross and eschewed abstraction.

You're being pedantic. The parallels are there, no one has said they are the exact same stories in the way that A New Hope mirrors a Force Awakened, we're saying there are obvious and very visible parallels between the two.

You're right, Curse of the Wolfen isn't directly paralleled by Sigmars blood. However they both establish the same thing, setting the scene to allow the sorcerer to return in his full glory. And let's not kid ourselves, Nagash's first thought was to return to Nehekara, devour their gods, enslave their people and denounce their king. World domination may have been his end goal, but End Times: Nagash is a revenge plot for Nagash to finally lay low Nehekara in the exact same way Magnus lays low Fenris. There are too many parallels to ignore here and the over all story arc is going in a very similar way so far. The only Wild Cards 40K has are the Necrons who have no fantasy equivalent, Skaven occupy the exact same place as the Tyranids (A large but secondary threat that will drastically reduce the scope of the universe before being defeated) and Orcs never get any screen time anyway.

''Now, please cut it out a bit. The plot is not matching end times up to a tee.'' So, please stop putting words in our mouths. Take into account the portents or don't, but to disregard them as invalid would show a severe lack of holistic view.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
You're right, Curse of the Wolfen isn't directly paralleled by Sigmars blood. However they both establish the same thing, setting the scene to allow the sorcerer to return in his full glory.

You know there was this book that dealt with preparations for resurrection of Nagash...

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:


What bothers me is that you guys are doing a very gross skewing. "IT MATCHES END TIMES BLOW FOR BLOW!!" which is why...

a)You ignore Curse of the wulfen. You know the theory starts to go wrong when you need to ignore the first book for it to match.

b) You ignore great swathes of the plot of End Times Nagash. Hell, you're outright ignoring the plot of the first book already. Nagash wants to destroy the empire? He wants to destroy ALL LIFE and kill Chaos to boot, becoming the only god in the Warhammer World as all serve his will. It's not a revengeance plot, like Magnus', who's also a servant of Chaos, whom Nagash utterly despised and wanted to destroy. If you want to say that the plot matches end times, you should have said that the necrons enter a period of civil war, unite into one banner are in for a plan to fully anhilate life and thus starve chaos to death. Which is what the plot of Nagash is. Furthermore, In Nagash we have dwarves and elves collaborating together to stop him, something that Dark Angels and Space Wolves are NOT doing. Nagash fights against chaos, not FOR chaos.

c) Fall of Cadia has Abaddon almost die. Glottkin didn't have archaon getting pawned. Also, the forces of chaos invaded other areas prior to Altdorf, which here should be Terra, not Cadia. . And last time I checked the Emperor hasn't grown a pair of boobs, while in Glottkin it's Sigmar (in the body of Karl Franz) the one to win the day. Creed is "alive" while the fantasy equivalent died. Plus we are missing bretonnia and the mess with the dwarves at eight peaks who are fighting the goblins. Furthermore, the Empire had been already open for futher attacks as more than half the Empire was being but to the torch on both sides. Fall of Cadia is barely the gates of Kislev. As a last addendum I don't seem to remember that the chaos wastes suffer a reduction, so to speak, in glottkin.

d) Shattering of Biel-Tan is you guys wishlisting. Do we know the plot? No, in so far this is just letting your imagination run wild and say it's a fact. For all we know the event we are awaiting is a massive daemonic incursion and the eldar factions still go to their own business. Also, End times Khaine is about following an elf, not a materialization of the god of Death, which is something they have been awaiting for. Malekith becoming the Eternity King was an asspull. The Ynnead being born is a prophecy they've been "kind of" waiting for millenia.

Now, please cut it out a bit. The plot is not matching end times up to a tee. It only works out once you remove everything and make a gross and eschewed abstraction.

You're being pedantic. The parallels are there, no one has said they are the exact same stories in the way that A New Hope mirrors a Force Awakened, we're saying there are obvious and very visible parallels between the two.

You're right, Curse of the Wolfen isn't directly paralleled by Sigmars blood. However they both establish the same thing, setting the scene to allow the sorcerer to return in his full glory. And let's not kid ourselves, Nagash's first thought was to return to Nehekara, devour their gods, enslave their people and denounce their king. World domination may have been his end goal, but End Times: Nagash is a revenge plot for Nagash to finally lay low Nehekara in the exact same way Magnus lays low Fenris. There are too many parallels to ignore here and the over all story arc is going in a very similar way so far. The only Wild Cards 40K has are the Necrons who have no fantasy equivalent, Skaven occupy the exact same place as the Tyranids (A large but secondary threat that will drastically reduce the scope of the universe before being defeated) and Orcs never get any screen time anyway.

''Now, please cut it out a bit. The plot is not matching end times up to a tee.'' So, please stop putting words in our mouths. Take into account the portents or don't, but to disregard them as invalid would show a severe lack of holistic view.

Nagash's intent was to devour all gods, beginning by his homeland. Yes there was revenge, but it wasn't the plot, but just the staging point of his actual plot, it was a case of: why not? You keep missing the point: WoM is simply a vengeance plot, that's it. ET: Nagash is a world-conquest plot WITH vengeance thrown in as an afterthought.

Necrons are space-tomb kings. And I still have to see them eliminated and devoured in this revenge plot.

Did I say I was putting those words into your mouth? Did I? Those are the exact same words of another person who's posted in this thread, by the way.

I'm not ignoring the portents, I'm pointing out that you're over-analizing, going as far as saying that there will be an eldar civil war (of sorts, the three groups against each other) just by going on the title.

Lord Kragan wrote:
I'm not ignoring the portents, I'm pointing out that you're over-analizing, going as far as saying that there will be an eldar civil war (of sorts, the three groups against each other) just by going on the title.

Well if we are to draw pararels there is going to be opposite of civil war. ET3 dealt with END of a civil war leading into united elves. Equilavent would be eldars joining up to one. But isn't that what it's starting to look like?

The Elves were already united by the Harlequins (and Corsairs actually). Now they share Ynnead

40k elves are quite a bit different to fantasy