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 Insectum7 wrote:
I'm just hoping this Eldar death-god talk isn't paving the way for Super Wraithguard Eldar Sigmarines.

I'm not a fan of these new models, too WoW. It's a shame because I liked what they did with the genestealers and Thousand Sons (except Madonnus).

GW are going towards the direction of small, elite armies as they have done with AoS (basically they are trying to get people away from collect one/two armies). As such I would expect that Eldar will be split into two/three factions maybe. A Spirit version, a living version and perhaps an harlequin based version. I actually expect most if not all of the aspect warriors to disappear which is why we haven't seen any plastics for them for a long time.

If AoS shows us anything GW are trying to renew the range to incentivise people to buy new models not to hunt around on ebay.

I admit, I can see GW making far larger changes than people had suspected.

 Whirlwind wrote:


I'm not a fan of these new models, too WoW.

I don't understand this complaint at all, yet I see it all the time. Is this just the new dank meme/buzzword? None of the aesthetics of these models, or Age of Sigmar's, for that matter, resemble WoW's. Unless I've been playing a very different game for the past 10 or so years (40k or WoW).

 BloodGrin wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Am I going crazy or am I the only one getting a vibe that they just may re-combine the eldar races back into one for the end times? Setting aside old differences for the sake of the race.

You are not the only one. GW did this with the Elves, excuse me, "Aelves" in AoS and they actually had a civil war the split them for centuries. Like bitterly split them. They actually had Hatred for each other
CWE and DE have never been truly that split. They simply have different views on how to continue life after the Fall, but overall there was no bitter feud between them like High & Dark elves had.

If GW 'successfully' merged Aelves in Fantasy, merging the "Aeldari" in 40K will be even easier.

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Ehm... actually, you got it quite wrong. Elves in WHFB unified. Aelves in AoS are a series of separate identities. Even when speaking on a matter of race, the successors of the High and Dark elves don't mingle, like at all.

Eldar have always been battle brothers.
This fluff is what battle brothers is.
They are not AoSing anything.
I really wish the mods would start dealing with that, or at least put a "The sky is falling, cry about 40k being AoS'd here" thread"
It is far beyond tedious.

Yep so far the fluff is looking to be totally different.......


Chaos beat down the hero's and blew up the planet in the 1st book not last.

Also in the 2nd end times book they had a big struggle among the Aelves before they united as one race....But in 40k book 2 were getting the fracturing of Bieltan and 3 new united Aelder heros so no chance of any similarities at all.

In the words of comical Bloodgrin"there are no end times in 40k"

Joyboozer wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

I'll ask again, where is GWs response to claims of 40k being AoSd that everyone can read?

What you mean by AoSd ?

They might well redo the rules in a more simplified fashion but they will not blow everything up and start all over again like they did with Warhammer.

I keep reading posts stating that GW won't AoS 40k as fact, they cite GW as the source of this. What do they mean by AoS?

A big fluff and rules shake up that simplifies the rules and homogenises the armies. You shouldn't be so short-sighted to see AoS'ing something as simply blowing it up, it's about fundamentally changing the values and landscape of the game. Something I'm sure we can agree is seeming more likely by the day.

**I'd suggest book 1 of the End Times was Wrath of Magnus, in which an extremely powerful sorcerer lets loose his long schemed plan to destroy the nation of the monarch that humbled him in a previous life. Which isn't at all like Nagash.

Book 2 would be fall of Cadia, in which a Chaos attack is ultimately repelled by the arrival of a golden divine being in a pyrrhic victory that leaves the Empire of Man wide open for further attacks. Which isn't at all like Glotkin.

Now in book 3 we're having an Eldar faction fissure but ultimately re-unite all 3 of the important factions under the rule of the newly summoned Incarnate/Yncarne after which it will send it's aid to the Empire of Man. Not at all like Khaine. Wait a second...

 Darth Bob wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:


I'm not a fan of these new models, too WoW.

I don't understand this complaint at all, yet I see it all the time. Is this just the new dank meme/buzzword? None of the aesthetics of these models, or Age of Sigmar's, for that matter, resemble WoW's. Unless I've been playing a very different game for the past 10 or so years (40k or WoW).

Yes, "Look like WoW" or "that's a nice AoS model".

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
In the current game state you either need to be incredibly tank like, see Cawl, or mobile. I honestly don't see footslogging Aeldari being that amazing in game, when you can buy criminally underpriced farseers on jetbikes. But we will see.

Maybe it will be so fast it will make jetbikes blush? They may give him rules akin to a solitaire's but on steroids.

I think some of you guys watch too much anime.

 Elbows wrote:
I admit, I can see GW making far larger changes than people had suspected.

The fact that recently GW doesn't keep even a semblance of balance in the game (horrors splitting while the point cost stay the same), makes me think that 8th edition will probably be a complete makeover. Seeing how bad WHFB makeover turned out to be, I can't say that I'm too confident

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

A big fluff and rules shake up that simplifies the rules and homogenises the armies. You shouldn't be so short-sighted to see AoS'ing something as simply blowing it up, it's about fundamentally changing the values and landscape of the game. Something I'm sure we can agree is seeming more likely by the day.

I don't play enough to care either way about the rules, as long as they keep making quality miniatures, im happy.

Vorian wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:


I'm not a fan of these new models, too WoW.

I don't understand this complaint at all, yet I see it all the time. Is this just the new dank meme/buzzword? None of the aesthetics of these models, or Age of Sigmar's, for that matter, resemble WoW's. Unless I've been playing a very different game for the past 10 or so years (40k or WoW).

Yes, "Look like WoW" or "that's a nice AoS model".

I think it's just something to say when you don't know what to say.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

I'll ask again, where is GWs response to claims of 40k being AoSd that everyone can read?

What you mean by AoSd ?

They might well redo the rules in a more simplified fashion but they will not blow everything up and start all over again like they did with Warhammer.

I keep reading posts stating that GW won't AoS 40k as fact, they cite GW as the source of this. What do they mean by AoS?

A big fluff and rules shake up that simplifies the rules and homogenises the armies. You shouldn't be so short-sighted to see AoS'ing something as simply blowing it up, it's about fundamentally changing the values and landscape of the game. Something I'm sure we can agree is seeming more likely by the day.

**I'd suggest book 1 of the End Times was Wrath of Magnus, in which an extremely powerful sorcerer lets loose his long schemed plan to destroy the nation of the monarch that humbled him in a previous life. Which isn't at all like Nagash.

Book 2 would be fall of Cadia, in which a Chaos attack is ultimately repelled by the arrival of a golden divine being in a pyrrhic victory that leaves the Empire of Man wide open for further attacks. Which isn't at all like Glotkin.

Now in book 3 we're having an Eldar faction fissure but ultimately re-unite all 3 of the important factions under the rule of the newly summoned Incarnate/Yncarne after which it will send it's aid to the Empire of Man. Not at all like Khaine. Wait a second...

Exactly, people continue to drink that coolaid that a handful of rumor mongers fed us but so far blow for blow this mirrors the end times release. Now, they said the universe would not be blown up which I think is partly true, but for different reasons then we think. The old world was one planet which ran out of room for the game to expand. 40k is set in space, we already have pocket realms and endless planetary systems, so there is no need to change the actual setting by blowing it all up ala AoS but that doesn't mean they won't merge factions and overhaul the rules completely and change all the established fluff in a similar fashion.

And before anyone jumps all over this post and calls me a doom and gloom poster, I never said I think this is a bad idea. The game can only get better at this point, it is far too bloated to continue on it's current course. I played a guy recently and he was using deathwatch, inquisition, scions, imperial agents and i think a librarius conclave in one list, it took forever just figuring out what guy had what detachment benefit and who had what psychic power, he was getting the deathwatch rumors completely wrong but luckily I asked to read his book when he claimed he got tank hunter on top of PE on my troops. What a fething mess, meanwhile I was playing a CSM CAD with one lord one sorcerer and mainly line troops. I beat the snot out of him and he complained that we only got 3 turns in before I snapped back and reminded him my turns were taking 15 minutes compared to his hour not counting his pregame. I know I can't be the only person sick of this level of bloat.

So any hints as too who the eldar are fighting at Beil-Tan?

Nah we won't know more for at least a week I am guessing.

But given the Title I would guess eldar v Aeldar action.

SeanDrake wrote:
But given the Title I would guess eldar v Aeldar action.

This seems to be the most common guess in this thread, but do we really think we'd get a campaign book with nothing but eldar?

Here is hoping it's the Crons, The new eldar god of death vs the undead legions of the necrons has a certain symmetry to it. The eldar exists because of the necrons, and having the final fate of the eldar tied to a war with the necrons seems just right.

Ooh now 'crons i would be absolutely down with.

Been waiting for a proper Eldar vs Yngir showdown

Worst case scenario I could imagine for aspect warriors is that the shard brings all eldar together no longer needing to stick to the paths because ynnead now guards the eldar souls against slaanesh the aspect warrior shrines get squatted or biel tan fractures because half follow ynnead and half stick to the paths causing a civil war on the craftworld.

I'm really liking the barefoot Malys, or whoever she is, I must have her for my DE. I also like the red dude, with Aspect Armour, Incubi back banners and harlequin masks, definitely a uniting of the Eldars here. The avatar though, man alive, I'm not sure I'd ever get to painting it though, i'd never do it justice.

Red Corsair wrote: I know I can't be the only person sick of this level of bloat.

You're not but I don't think the majority of the player base left cares. I'm guessing most of the ones who did left (including me).

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
A big fluff and rules shake up that simplifies the rules and homogenises the armies. You shouldn't be so short-sighted to see AoS'ing something as simply blowing it up, it's about fundamentally changing the values and landscape of the game. Something I'm sure we can agree is seeming more likely by the day.

**I'd suggest book 1 of the End Times was Wrath of Magnus, in which an extremely powerful sorcerer lets loose his long schemed plan to destroy the nation of the monarch that humbled him in a previous life. Which isn't at all like Nagash.

Book 2 would be fall of Cadia, in which a Chaos attack is ultimately repelled by the arrival of a golden divine being in a pyrrhic victory that leaves the Empire of Man wide open for further attacks. Which isn't at all like Glotkin.

Now in book 3 we're having an Eldar faction fissure but ultimately re-unite all 3 of the important factions under the rule of the newly summoned Incarnate/Yncarne after which it will send it's aid to the Empire of Man. Not at all like Khaine. Wait a second...

You are, indeed, awesome. Thanks for that!

Nah worst-case scenario is that the war on Biel Tan draws in exarchs from every shrine, just before tye craftworld itself is physically fractured in half killing all the exarchs and squatting Aspect Warriors.

Would never happen though. I'd haemorrhage money for plastic aspects and GW knows it...

I love the idea of an (or multiple) inter-craftworld schism(s) with a whole host of people sodding off to become Ynnead cultists creating a new pan-eldar faction of death cultists, while significant parts of the population struggle to retain the cohesion and identity of their craftworld/corner of commorragh.

Creating more options is infinitely better than destroying stuff to create new things. I'm hoping they've learnt that lesson from AoS: that destroying existing factions alienates people

 gorgon wrote:

Vorian wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:


I'm not a fan of these new models, too WoW.

I don't understand this complaint at all, yet I see it all the time. Is this just the new dank meme/buzzword? None of the aesthetics of these models, or Age of Sigmar's, for that matter, resemble WoW's. Unless I've been playing a very different game for the past 10 or so years (40k or WoW).

Yes, "Look like WoW" or "that's a nice AoS model".

I think it's just something to say when you don't know what to say.

I always have something to say...

However I think you're reading too much into the WoW comment. I'm not saying they look like WoW I'm saying that stylistically they are similar. The OTT colours, exaggerated features, excessive bling all add up toa highly stylised type of miniature that really came to prominence as part of WoW. Compare this to the old eldar which were stylised but much more subtle in their style. Another example would be 30k. It's more realistic/fantasy sci fi. That's why I like the gcults, they harken back to a more gritty style that I preferred.

 gorgon wrote:

Vorian wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:


I'm not a fan of these new models, too WoW.

I don't understand this complaint at all, yet I see it all the time. Is this just the new dank meme/buzzword? None of the aesthetics of these models, or Age of Sigmar's, for that matter, resemble WoW's. Unless I've been playing a very different game for the past 10 or so years (40k or WoW).

Yes, "Look like WoW" or "that's a nice AoS model".

I think it's just something to say when you don't know what to say.

It may have become a meme, I don't know. But when I think of WoW art I think a certain brand of cartoonish exaggerations, simple complimetary/tertiary color schemes, and lots of particle effects shooting around.

While I think of 40K as being exaggerated, and often colorful, visually speaking it's outright cartoonish only a small amount of the time, and other times rife with images that are gritty, monochrome and morbid. The models with sculpted magic powers in bright colors are some of those that I would label WoWish.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

Vorian wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:


I'm not a fan of these new models, too WoW.

I don't understand this complaint at all, yet I see it all the time. Is this just the new dank meme/buzzword? None of the aesthetics of these models, or Age of Sigmar's, for that matter, resemble WoW's. Unless I've been playing a very different game for the past 10 or so years (40k or WoW).

Yes, "Look like WoW" or "that's a nice AoS model".

I think it's just something to say when you don't know what to say.

It may have become a meme, I don't know. But when I think of WoW art I think a certain brand of cartoonish exaggerations, simple complimetary/tertiary color schemes, and lots of particle effects shooting around.

While I think of 40K as being exaggerated, and often colorful, visually speaking it's outright cartoonish only a small amount of the time, and other times rife with images that are gritty, monochrome and morbid. The models with sculpted magic powers in bright colors are some of those that I would label WoWish.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Hell I played WoW for 5 years and LOVED the movie because they hit the aesthetics perfect. Magic is supposed to be flashy. I think this avatar model is perfect because they gave us a model that's BEING BUILT right in front of our eyes. You can see the energy that's building the avatar and she's coming to life in her sculpt. I love it.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
A big fluff and rules shake up that simplifies the rules and homogenises the armies. You shouldn't be so short-sighted to see AoS'ing something as simply blowing it up, it's about fundamentally changing the values and landscape of the game. Something I'm sure we can agree is seeming more likely by the day.

**I'd suggest book 1 of the End Times was Wrath of Magnus, in which an extremely powerful sorcerer lets loose his long schemed plan to destroy the nation of the monarch that humbled him in a previous life. Which isn't at all like Nagash.

Book 2 would be fall of Cadia, in which a Chaos attack is ultimately repelled by the arrival of a golden divine being in a pyrrhic victory that leaves the Empire of Man wide open for further attacks. Which isn't at all like Glotkin.

Now in book 3 we're having an Eldar faction fissure but ultimately re-unite all 3 of the important factions under the rule of the newly summoned Incarnate/Yncarne after which it will send it's aid to the Empire of Man. Not at all like Khaine. Wait a second...

There are no American tanks in Baghdad!!!

So given the lack of ranged weapons and sci fi bits could these models pull double duty in AoS as part of an Aelf or slaneshi release?

I know it's unlikely but I dont think they would look too out of place especially the avatar and spikey fan lady.

 Whirlwind wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

Vorian wrote:

 Darth Bob wrote:

 Whirlwind wrote:


I'm not a fan of these new models, too WoW.

I don't understand this complaint at all, yet I see it all the time. Is this just the new dank meme/buzzword? None of the aesthetics of these models, or Age of Sigmar's, for that matter, resemble WoW's. Unless I've been playing a very different game for the past 10 or so years (40k or WoW).

Yes, "Look like WoW" or "that's a nice AoS model".

I think it's just something to say when you don't know what to say.

I always have something to say...

However I think you're reading too much into the WoW comment. I'm not saying they look like WoW I'm saying that stylistically they are similar. The OTT colours, exaggerated features, excessive bling all add up toa highly stylised type of miniature that really came to prominence as part of WoW. Compare this to the old eldar which were stylised but much more subtle in their style. Another example would be 30k. It's more realistic/fantasy sci fi. That's why I like the gcults, they harken back to a more gritty style that I preferred.

While I absolutely agree with you about much preferring the more basic, realistic and elegant-looking models these have grown on me. I think a lot of the OTT blinginess of the Avatar is a paint-selection that makes it seem that way. I've got a much more subdued paint-scheme in mind that I'll try out when the models get shipped. See if that fixes it

Saying that, named characters are blingy. It's sort of what they're for, and what's to be expected. So long as the main model ranges stay elegant in their simplicity I'll be happy as larry

SeanDrake wrote:
So given the lack of ranged weapons and sci fi bits could these models pull double duty in AoS as part of an Aelf or slaneshi release?

I know it's unlikely but I dont think they would look too out of place especially the avatar and spikey fan lady.

If by double duty you mean people will proxy them, then yes. I for one will do this and use the vysarch as one of my leaders.

warboss wrote:

Red Corsair wrote: I know I can't be the only person sick of this level of bloat.

You're not but I don't think the majority of the player base left cares. I'm guessing most of the ones who did left (including me).

ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
A big fluff and rules shake up that simplifies the rules and homogenises the armies. You shouldn't be so short-sighted to see AoS'ing something as simply blowing it up, it's about fundamentally changing the values and landscape of the game. Something I'm sure we can agree is seeming more likely by the day.

**I'd suggest book 1 of the End Times was Wrath of Magnus, in which an extremely powerful sorcerer lets loose his long schemed plan to destroy the nation of the monarch that humbled him in a previous life. Which isn't at all like Nagash.

Book 2 would be fall of Cadia, in which a Chaos attack is ultimately repelled by the arrival of a golden divine being in a pyrrhic victory that leaves the Empire of Man wide open for further attacks. Which isn't at all like Glotkin.

Now in book 3 we're having an Eldar faction fissure but ultimately re-unite all 3 of the important factions under the rule of the newly summoned Incarnate/Yncarne after which it will send it's aid to the Empire of Man. Not at all like Khaine. Wait a second...

You are, indeed, awesome. Thanks for that!

Interesting. So following the same path almost exactly? So how many "End Time" books would be left then? What can you guess would happened then?

No idea what the story in Book 2 will actually contain. Review copies seem to only arrive 1-2 days before pre-order lately but Warhammer Community has been good about promotion ahead of release, so that's a nice change. Until I hear it from GW or have the book in hand can't really assume anything, especially since I'm no eldar expert. Though, in this narrative all bets are off (except the setting of 40K becoming destroyed and completely different in the next version).