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 Imateria wrote:

 nintura wrote:
So because they are the same faction, they are basically the same Codex?

Pretty much, even if the reality is your drawing from 3 different codexes, they'll all count as being from 1.

Unless of course they put all the units rules in the book Then that's literally a new codex.

 nintura wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 nintura wrote:
So because they are the same faction, they are basically the same Codex?

Pretty much, even if the reality is your drawing from 3 different codexes, they'll all count as being from 1.

Unless of course they put all the units rules in the book Then that's literally a new codex.

They don't. Only the new stuff will be present.

The Relics, Psyker discipline(Revenant), new Ynnari objectives/army list, and the stuff for Black Guardians and Ulthwe Strike Force.

Sounds like it's time for me to get both codex (I dont care too much for Harlies) and make my own book then.

*EDIT: Well, get the dark eldar codex. I have the CWE.... derp

Well, from the new pictures we know that at least Jain Zar will likely be possible as a Ynnari HQ along with the banshees.

And there's wraithknights in those pictures....no, GW, don't do it! Don't do soulbursting wraithknights, nooooooo!

the_scotsman wrote:
Well, from the new pictures we know that at least Jain Zar will likely be possible as a Ynnari HQ along with the banshees.

And there's wraithknights in those pictures....no, GW, don't do it! Don't do soulbursting wraithknights, nooooooo!

There's always the possibility that "Strength From Death" won't be an army-wide rule, but rather specific to units.

Remember all that hubbub from folks who kept screaming "this isn't the End Times! Gw says it isn't! Just ignore the similarities in the stories and stop calling it the same thing!"? Um, yeah... first sentence....



Even GW calls it the "Time of Ending" in their own fluff.

 warboss wrote:
Remember all that hubbub from folks who kept screaming "this isn't the End Times! Gw says it isn't! Just ignore the similarities in the stories and stop calling it the same thing!"? Um, yeah... first sentence....

Spoiler:

Even GW calls it the "Time of Ending" in their own fluff.

Just drop it. Jesus, you people are annoying as hell. 40k has said it's at the end times since it's inception... it's always been a minute till midnight. Good lord, go find some tin foil and sit in your corner.

They do - like in the 5th Ed big rulebook with an entire chapter of four or five pages about it. Released in 2008. Throne on Terra is failing, increase of warp storms etc

End Times is even older, being mentioned in Inquis Exterminatus among other words for it in 2000

If you like the term use it It means a few minutes to midnight

 warboss wrote:
Remember all that hubbub from folks who kept screaming "this isn't the End Times! Gw says it isn't! Just ignore the similarities in the stories and stop calling it the same thing!"? Um, yeah... first sentence....

Spoiler:

Even GW calls it the "Time of Ending" in their own fluff.

And has called it the "Time of Ending" for at least two editions now...

Although apparently it even is referred as such in the Necron book for 3rd edition.

Yeah, Time of Ending has been used for a while. 40k's whole shtick is that everything is terrible and will continue to get worse. Its basically Murphy's Law - the setting

Are those new banshees in the picture or are they old sculpts mixed in with the current ones, looking at the high helmets.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Remember all that hubbub from folks who kept screaming "this isn't the End Times! Gw says it isn't! Just ignore the similarities in the stories and stop calling it the same thing!"? Um, yeah... first sentence....

Spoiler:

Even GW calls it the "Time of Ending" in their own fluff.

And has called it the "Time of Ending" for at least two editions now...

Although apparently it even is referred as such in the Necron book for 3rd edition.

And yet despite that folks with blinders on vociferously ignored the similarities between the two story lines, marketing, and product releases safe in the reassurance that some guy on GW's facebook said "This isn't the End Times!'. Well, guess what? GW calls it the Time of Ending just like the folks here in this thread who were able to connect the giant flashing dots next to each other. Blessed is the mind too small for doubt, indeed!

warboss wrote:

Spoiler:

Remember all that hubbub from folks who kept screaming "this isn't the End Times! Gw says it isn't! Just ignore the similarities in the stories and stop calling it the same thing!"? Um, yeah... first sentence....

[spoiler]

Even GW calls it the "Time of Ending" in their own fluff. [/spoiler]

Really complaining before anything even happens? So if you already know what happens do you plan on quitting?

Davor wrote:
Really complaining before anything even happens? So if you already know what happens do you plan on quitting?

Sorry to disappoint you but I'm not complaining and in any case I've played one game this edition. The 7th ed rules primarily (amongst other reasons, some even unrelated to GW) got me to "quit" for the past few years. If the mechanical stupidity of army building from the past two editions is fixed, I might come back regardless of the fluff; unfortunately, I don't see that happening in any meaningful way. I'm simply pointing out the obvious to the dakka equivalent of the church folks in that Silent Hills movie. Too many people took umbrage at the comparisons between the End Times and the Time of Ending (including calling the latter such!) because they didn't want to see the forest for the trees.

 Mantle wrote:
Are those new banshees in the picture or are they old sculpts mixed in with the current ones, looking at the high helmets.

Think those are from 3rd edition, most of aspects warriors have 2-3 versions since the old days

2nd edition - 3rd 4th edition - current models with finecast.

Dark reapers, Banshees and Striking Scorpions have those, not 100% sure on swooping hawks.

 Mantle wrote:
Are those new banshees in the picture or are they old sculpts mixed in with the current ones, looking at the high helmets.

Good catch...not familiar enough with Banshees to answer the question regarding new/old sculpts definitively. Did find some similar looking models after googling a bit though...

Yup, old sculpts. But banshees are likely to be quite powerful with the new rules. Jain Zar should have no trouble sweeping a unit by herself at her absurd initiative step, and then you can use a bonus charge to get your money's worth out of the rest of the banshees.

Heartland wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
Are those new banshees in the picture or are they old sculpts mixed in with the current ones, looking at the high helmets.

Good catch...not familiar enough with Banshees to answer the question regarding new/old sculpts definitively. Did find some similar looking models after googling a bit though...

I remember the old helms looking like that, the shuriken pistols seem a bit short and the hair not as detailed so they might be the old ones sadly but they look better than the current ones haha

Davor wrote:

warboss wrote:

Spoiler:

Remember all that hubbub from folks who kept screaming "this isn't the End Times! Gw says it isn't! Just ignore the similarities in the stories and stop calling it the same thing!"? Um, yeah... first sentence....

[spoiler]

Even GW calls it the "Time of Ending" in their own fluff. [/spoiler]

Really complaining before anything even happens? So if you already know what happens do you plan on quitting?

You really seem to hate people having opinions that are different than yours about Gathering Storm This is a news and rumors forum btw, so you'll find a lot of speculation. Again, as I said in the other thread, GW has precedence for bad decisions and bad writing. They aren't simply going to hire an amazing writer just for Part 3 of the Gathering Storm.

That blurb doesn't say we are in the time of ending, only that the time of ending is approaching, so GW aren't lying when they say we are not in the time of ending.

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Remember all that hubbub from folks who kept screaming "this isn't the End Times! Gw says it isn't! Just ignore the similarities in the stories and stop calling it the same thing!"? Um, yeah... first sentence....

Spoiler:

Even GW calls it the "Time of Ending" in their own fluff.

And has called it the "Time of Ending" for at least two editions now...

Although apparently it even is referred as such in the Necron book for 3rd edition.

And yet despite that folks with blinders on vociferously ignored the similarities between the two story lines, marketing, and product releases safe in the reassurance that some guy on GW's facebook said "This isn't the End Times!'. Well, guess what?

I'm pretty sure the quote goes more like "This isn't the same thing as the End Times, where we destroy the universe. Planets can die though."

Which still doesn't make this like the End Times aside from "Things get destroyed".

GW calls it the Time of Ending just like the folks here in this thread who were able to connect the giant flashing dots next to each other.

So you've been "connecting the giant flashing dots" since 5th edition?

Because, again, GW has been using "The Time of Ending" since at least then. That's an awful long time(two editions)

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt, indeed!

Burdened with doubt is the heart with no room for faith.

Those are 3rd-4th ed Banshee sculpts, and there are some 4th ed Harlequins on various pics for Ynnari purchases. 2nd ed Banshees had laspistols and curved swords.

 warboss wrote:

And yet despite that folks with blinders on vociferously ignored the similarities between the two story lines, marketing, and product releases safe in the reassurance that some guy on GW's facebook said "This isn't the End Times!'. Well, guess what? GW calls it the Time of Ending just like the folks here in this thread who were able to connect the giant flashing dots next to each other. Blessed is the mind too small for doubt, indeed!

Probably because everyone has a slightly different idea of what 'End Times' means. Is it a narrative intended to bring about a new edition of the game? Sure. Are they going to make the same sweeping fundamental changes they did for AoS? Who knows.

Certainly the two games have wildly different situations at least. AoS came about as a result of severely declining sales that no longer supported such an extensive model range. It was a result of GW (likely via Kirby) wanting to rewrite the fluff around introducing their best-selling space marine concept into fantasy. It was a result of a game with several decades of content being less profitable than selling paint.

Even in GW's eyes, none of this needs to happen in 40K. It's their flagship product bringing in way more income that fantasy has for many years. End Times for 40K is a such a totally different situation compared to WHFB that expecting the same result seems nuts, at least to me.

 xttz wrote:

 warboss wrote:

And yet despite that folks with blinders on vociferously ignored the similarities between the two story lines, marketing, and product releases safe in the reassurance that some guy on GW's facebook said "This isn't the End Times!'. Well, guess what? GW calls it the Time of Ending just like the folks here in this thread who were able to connect the giant flashing dots next to each other. Blessed is the mind too small for doubt, indeed!

Probably because everyone has a slightly different idea of what 'End Times' means. Is it a narrative intended to bring about a new edition of the game? Sure. Are they going to make the same sweeping fundamental changes they did for AoS? Who knows.

Certainly the two games have wildly different situations at least. AoS came about as a result of severely declining sales that no longer supported such an extensive model range. It was a result of GW (likely via Kirby) wanting to rewrite the fluff around introducing their best-selling space marine concept into fantasy. It was a result of a game with several decades of content being less profitable than selling paint.

Even in GW's eyes, none of this needs to happen in 40K. It's their flagship product bringing in way more income that fantasy has for many years. End Times for 40K is a such a totally different situation compared to WHFB that expecting the same result seems nuts, at least to me.

You're all being sucked back into his conversation and giving him attention. Which is also off subject to this thread.

Where are the leaks?!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Where are the leaks?!

With the other vegetables.

Come to think of it, now that we know Ynnari is a faction (meaning pre-FAQ bb transports) and we know Jain Zar can be in there, Jain in a borrowed DE transport is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

She deepstrikes in turn 2 in her Venom. What do you do? You run away from her, sheeee's gonna catch you. You blow up her transport, not only is that not going to leave a scratch on her, but then she charges you RIGHT NOW in your shooting phase and you've got a jain zar in your face on your assault phase. The only downside is her lack of Hit and Run, which would be truly bonkers - if she wasn't finished with gutting you in your assault phase, she could pop off and smash you in her own.

 Imateria wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Where are the leaks?!

With the other vegetables.

Plenty of vegetables in here

the_scotsman wrote:
Come to think of it, now that we know Ynnari is a faction (meaning pre-FAQ bb transports) and we know Jain Zar can be in there, Jain in a borrowed DE transport is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

She deepstrikes in turn 2 in her Venom. What do you do? You run away from her, sheeee's gonna catch you. You blow up her transport, not only is that not going to leave a scratch on her, but then she charges you RIGHT NOW in your shooting phase and you've got a jain zar in your face on your assault phase. The only downside is her lack of Hit and Run, which would be truly bonkers - if she wasn't finished with gutting you in your assault phase, she could pop off and smash you in her own.

Yeah, Jain Zar with Banshees in a Raider could be excellent, and finally let Banshees see a use. Same goes for Karandras with Scorpions.

The only problem I can see is that they can't take Raiders or Venoms as DT's, I doubt they'll make any changes to the existing dataslates beyond removing Ancient Doom, Battle Focus and Power from Pain and replacing them with Hatred (Daemons of Slaanesh) and Strength from Death.

 Imateria wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Come to think of it, now that we know Ynnari is a faction (meaning pre-FAQ bb transports) and we know Jain Zar can be in there, Jain in a borrowed DE transport is going to be a force to be reckoned with.

She deepstrikes in turn 2 in her Venom. What do you do? You run away from her, sheeee's gonna catch you. You blow up her transport, not only is that not going to leave a scratch on her, but then she charges you RIGHT NOW in your shooting phase and you've got a jain zar in your face on your assault phase. The only downside is her lack of Hit and Run, which would be truly bonkers - if she wasn't finished with gutting you in your assault phase, she could pop off and smash you in her own.

Yeah, Jain Zar with Banshees in a Raider could be excellent, and finally let Banshees see a use. Same goes for Karandras with Scorpions.

The only problem I can see is that they can't take Raiders or Venoms as DT's, I doubt they'll make any changes to the existing dataslates beyond removing Ancient Doom, Battle Focus and Power from Pain and replacing them with Hatred (Daemons of Slaanesh) and Strength from Death.

Yeah, they would have to be taken as FA slots most likely. That's gonna be one crooooowded slot with every unit crammed in there. Hopefully it's similar to Castellans and we get 0-6, there'll maybe be a spare slot or two for mixed transport shenanigans.