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 Imateria wrote:
re you deliberately being this obtuse? Constantly repeating the wording of the rule Silence (which is still on his sword Asu-Var) like the rest of us are illiterate makes no difference what so ever, with a radius of only 3" the only time it's ever going to be used is in combat. I'd also be careful in how you use the term artefact, thats the term used in Eldar books for the list of relic options they can use and Asu Var, just like the swords used by Yvrain or the Avatar, are not artefacts.

You do know that special characters can still have things listed as artefacts, right?

I mean, if I'm going to be obtuse and all.

Most importantly my point was that without knowing what other USR's the Visarch has or his statline it's impossible to know exactly how effective he is going to be in combat. Constantly spouting out what the known special rules are doesn't help.

You also said that some of the stuff from the glossary might be formations or the like. That's why I "spouted out what the known special rules are".

The formation stuff always has a notation of "formation" in it, somewhere.

I'm also unconvinced how useful Warden of Yvrain is going to be. An Archon with a Huskblade doesn't tend to be that useful next to Incubi, the lack of AP2 tends to mean he's not the one doing the work, and with Yvrains Kha-Vir being a Huskblade with +1S I've got a good idea that you'd want the two characters in different units.

Have you actually looked at the Warlord Traits that the Visarch has access to? And he gets them whether or not he is your Warlord. Things like It Will Not Die, any To Wound roll of a 6 is Instant Death, or the ability to choose Furious Charge, Hit & Run, or Move Through Cover is kind of big.

Additionally, there are a few items(Corag Hai's Locket immediately springs to mind, for example) which might be present on the Visarch or Yvraine.
We know there are new Relics, but we also know that most characters these days come with a few items rather than just one or two.

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 Robin5t wrote:
Just waiting for the stat-lines and rules for the Eldar Triumvirate, now. I'm curious as to how much of a beat-stick the Visarch is going to be.

Pure speculation but:

With his sword he's probably S6, AP 2 at high WS/initiative.

What is the sword called? They have sword names with stats and other items in there as well. I can check if you like. Just need the name.

The Visarch has the sword Asu-Var, it's +2S, AP2, Melee, Silence, Two-Handed.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

I'm also unconvinced how useful Warden of Yvrain is going to be. An Archon with a Huskblade doesn't tend to be that useful next to Incubi, the lack of AP2 tends to mean he's not the one doing the work, and with Yvrains Kha-Vir being a Huskblade with +1S I've got a good idea that you'd want the two characters in different units.

Have you actually looked at the Warlord Traits that the Visarch has access to? And he gets them whether or not he is your Warlord. Things like It Will Not Die, any To Wound roll of a 6 is Instant Death, or the ability to choose Furious Charge, Hit & Run, or Move Through Cover is kind of big.

Additionally, there are a few items(Corag Hai's Locket immediately springs to mind, for example) which might be present on the Visarch or Yvraine.
We know there are new Relics, but we also know that most characters these days come with a few items rather than just one or two.

Of course I have, but is your argument really going to be based on random warlord traits (unless of course he has a set trait, but we wont know about that until we see his dataslate), or on your guesses for what might be in the relic/artefact list (which unique characters never have access to as they tend to have pre set, and unique, wargear options) and what each character comes with?

I'm certainly not joining this argument but I'd just like to point out that it states the visarch always has a warlord trait and that it is generated from the table in the book and that he is considered your warlord for the purpose of that trait.
Also I think most codexes nowadays do put the special wargear of a special character in a little box titled the same way as there "relic" table is, such as dark striders structural analyser thing being titled as a signature system even though it is only his. From what I can tell the amulet thing is a "relic" available to standard characters as yvrain, the visarch and yncairn all have individual special rules that let them regenerate wounds when a nearby eldar dies but they also get an added benefit namely yvrain gaining mastery levels if the slain eldar is a psycher or the visarch gaining attacks if it's a character, some of the other weapons state that they replace a ranged or melee weapon and so we can assume they too are relics, I can't remember if the amulet says anything like this but at the same time it wouldn't exactly replace anything.

 Imateria wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

I'm also unconvinced how useful Warden of Yvrain is going to be. An Archon with a Huskblade doesn't tend to be that useful next to Incubi, the lack of AP2 tends to mean he's not the one doing the work, and with Yvrains Kha-Vir being a Huskblade with +1S I've got a good idea that you'd want the two characters in different units.

Have you actually looked at the Warlord Traits that the Visarch has access to? And he gets them whether or not he is your Warlord. Things like It Will Not Die, any To Wound roll of a 6 is Instant Death, or the ability to choose Furious Charge, Hit & Run, or Move Through Cover is kind of big.

Additionally, there are a few items(Corag Hai's Locket immediately springs to mind, for example) which might be present on the Visarch or Yvraine.
We know there are new Relics, but we also know that most characters these days come with a few items rather than just one or two.

Of course I have, but is your argument really going to be based on random warlord traits (unless of course he has a set trait, but we wont know about that until we see his dataslate), or on your guesses for what might be in the relic/artefact list (which unique characters never have access to as they tend to have pre set, and unique, wargear options) and what each character comes with?

A little of column A and a little of column B. It's entirely possible that he has a set Warlord Trait(if I had to guess, that might be "Walker of Many Paths") and he also has the ability to roll on the table via his special rule.

Regarding the artefact/relic list:
They tend towards 6 items.

We can identify a few of them based on their rules(The Lost Shroud, for example, removes Independent Character status--not something you would see on a "set" relic for a character).

So, Artefact wise, we definitely have have:

Song of Ynnead(replaces a bearer's ranged weapon. Pistol)
The Lost Shroud(Eternal Warrior, FNP, IWnD)
Hungering Blade(replaces a bearer's melee weapon. Sword with "Blessing of Yvraine")

Then we seemingly also have:
Mirrorgaze(wearer has Blind, Counter-Attack, and Night Vision...weird one)
Soulsnare(a grenade of some kind from the reading)
Corag Hai's Locket


It takes awhile to do a good "fix" on what is/isn't present from the glossary, but I am pretty confident on that.

^Whats your point, if those are going to be the 6 new relic options (and I agree with you, they probably are) none of those are going to be available to the Visarch.

The point is that the visarch will have a special item that will be listed as the same category as those items. Such as the avatar of Khaine having the wailing doom listed in a box labeled "remnants of glory"

Sorry I can't find the person who mentioned the swords. This is what I found so far. Someone also mentioned gear as well. I don't know if this is gear artifacts or what not.

Asu-var The Sword of Silent Screams, S +2, AP2 Melee silence two handed

Cora Hai's Locket, When the bearer destroys one or more enemy models in the fight sub-phase roll a dice before removing any casualties. One a 4+ the bearer regains a lost wound.

Syrinx Familiar. at the start of each psychic phase, generate D3 extra Warp Charge points. Only Yvraine can use these Warp Charges.

Aha-vir The Sword of Sorrows. S+1, AP3, Melee, Instant Death

Shield of Ennead. A blessing that targets the psyker. While the power is in effect all friendly units within 7" have a 6+ invulnerable save.

Vilith-zhar, The Sword of Souls. S user, AP2, Melle, Fleshbane, Armourbane soul blaze.

Hope this helps. Sorry if it doesn't. I think I might have put a psychic power in there thinking it was something else. Sorry about that if that is the case.

Sword of silent screams, sword of sorrows, sword of souls. Enough S's?

They are each swords belonging to each character I believe, silent screams is the visarchs, sorrows is yvrains and souls is the yncairns.
Shield oh ynnead is a psychic power and gyrinx familiar belongs to yvrain.

 nintura wrote:
Sword of silent screams, sword of sorrows, sword of souls. Enough S's?

Sword of Sufferin' Succotash!

Swrod of Sufferin' Succotash™

Have you learned nothing!

Edit: And it's got to the point where genuine typos are indistinguishable from GW naming convention mockery.

 nintura wrote:
Sword of silent screams, sword of sorrows, sword of souls. Enough S's?

Yeah, it would be a nightmare for someone with a lisp.

It really looks like the Ynarri will be a new in-game faction. So in the big detachment, CWE/DE/Harlies will have the same faction, instead of being battle brothers.
So we should be able to put Harlequin troupes in Raiders at deployment. It seems much better that Starweavers.

fresus wrote:
It really looks like the Ynarri will be a new in-game faction. So in the big detachment, CWE/DE/Harlies will have the same faction, instead of being battle brothers.
So we should be able to put Harlequin troupes in Raiders at deployment. It seems much better that Starweavers.

It is more than likely set up in the same way as the Castellans of the Imperium or the Grand Convocation. I doubt you will be able to share transports.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Sword of silent screams, sword of sorrows, sword of souls. Enough S's?

Yeah, it would be a nightmare for someone with a lisp.

Does anyone else find it singularly cruel that the word 'lisp' is very difficult to pronounce for people with a lisp?

As for something actually relevant, I'm just glad it's not wall-to-wall 'Wraith-something'. Following the Wolfy McWolf Lords and Blood Reavers screaming Blood for the Blood God it's a welcome change of pace

I wonder if a unit that's dedicated transport has been destroyed could then soulburst, I like the idea of a bunch of dire avengers rolling out of their wrecked wave serpent instantly opening fire on something as they do it haha I imagine there will be a fair few FAQ answers on this rule.

 Mantle wrote:
I wonder if a unit that's dedicated transport has been destroyed could then soulburst, I like the idea of a bunch of dire avengers rolling out of their wrecked wave serpent instantly opening fire on something as they do it haha I imagine there will be a fair few FAQ answers on this rule.

A unit and its dedicated transport are two different units, so I guess the passengers could soulburst. They could even assault out of their destroyed transport and avoid getting shot at.

I will add the bits of the fluff section in another upload during lunch break, eta in an hour and a half.

I'm so glad Harlequins are a part of the Ynnari detachment. I've been waiting to play my clowns for so long, and now I not only finally get a proper detachment for them, but they become psycho death clowns!!

I'll give my left nut to anyone who can tell us what units can be included in the Ynnari detachment! Any news on Solitaires?

 Mantle wrote:
I wonder if a unit that's dedicated transport has been destroyed could then soulburst, I like the idea of a bunch of dire avengers rolling out of their wrecked wave serpent instantly opening fire on something as they do it haha I imagine there will be a fair few FAQ answers on this rule.

Yeah, it looks like it. Only non-vehicle units can take soulburst actions, but it can trigger off of any unit being destroyed.

I can't wait to read the fluff section on soulburst. I wonder how they describe how it works.

It isn't much what I found regarding fluff and artwork in the Enhanced and Tablet GS2 previews, but here are the pics

http://imgur.com/a/8AJQh

 nintura wrote:
I can't wait to read the fluff section on soulburst. I wonder how they describe how it works.

Agreed bonus points if it's creepy and grimdark.

Something like they're gaining power by siphoning away the souls of the recently departed, which by some sort of vampirism effect are consumed by their own souls. The Ynnari are perfectly fine with this because they're doing it all in the name of the Dead God, Lord and Saviour of the Eldar. Meanwhile, the non-Ynnari are pretty freaked by the fact that there are Eldar running around drinking their souls...

Would fit very nicely with this old piece of Eldar runework:


The translation for the rune at the bottom-right is the one I was thinking about.

Soul Drinker
Also scavengers, looters, parasites, vermin, dying, diabolical, daemonic and decaying. One of the most hideous rune-concepts in the Eldar language.

It's distinct from the rune for the Dark Eldar, so it doesn't refer to their emotional vampirism thing. It's also distinct from the rune for She-Who-Thirsts, so it's not representative of her consuming of Eldar souls either. It's something else entirely...

Really excited to see what the fluff potential for this is

Oh, and as a side-note, I hold that picture as the gold-standard for format of information given about a faction. So much information provided, but in a way that you have to work it out for yourself, and there's no way you can really tell whether your interpretation is accurate or not. It actually feels like you're digging through real ancient history and myths to try and find out what is actually happening. Beautiful, beautiful stuff.

Warhams-77 wrote:
It isn't much what I found regarding fluff and artwork in the Enhanced and Tablet GS2 previews, but here are the pics

http://imgur.com/a/8AJQh

Thank you for linking and not just posting the pic

I and other spoiler adverse poster appreciate such simple niceties!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

fresus wrote:
It really looks like the Ynarri will be a new in-game faction. So in the big detachment, CWE/DE/Harlies will have the same faction, instead of being battle brothers.
So we should be able to put Harlequin troupes in Raiders at deployment. It seems much better that Starweavers.

It is more than likely set up in the same way as the Castellans of the Imperium or the Grand Convocation. I doubt you will be able to share transports.

Ynnari faction is a thing.

Warhams-77 wrote:
It isn't much what I found regarding fluff and artwork in the Enhanced and Tablet GS2 previews, but here are the pics

http://imgur.com/a/8AJQh

Interesting how there's information on the Tau and Damocles Gulf in there, I assume thats what leads into Iyanden and the Chaos invasion there.

What's the deal with it being a faction or not? Why does that matter?

 nintura wrote:
What's the deal with it being a faction or not? Why does that matter?

Has to do with the way they FAQ'd transports.

Battle Brothers can share transports still, but can't start in them. Same faction can share transports even during deployment.

Here's the relevant FAQ:

Q: Can units that are Battle Brothers embark in each other’s
Transport vehicles during deployment?
A: No.
Q: Can units from two Detachments with the same Faction
embark in each other’s Transport vehicles during deployment?
A: Yes.

So because they are the same faction, they are basically the same Codex?

 nintura wrote:
So because they are the same faction, they are basically the same Codex?

Pretty much, even if the reality is your drawing from 3 different codexes, they'll all count as being from 1.