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I am starting to think that al this Ynnead thing is just a plot from Slanesh to fool the remaining Eldar into voluntarily feeding their souls to her. Making Ynnead followers effectively Chaos Eldar.

 Galef wrote:
A note about the fluff on Ulthwe Warlocks & Jetbikes:
Ulthwe is known for having lots of Psykers, not Jetbikes. I think it is perfectly reasonable for Black Guardian Windriders to not have the option for Warlock Skyrunners.
It appears that Warlocks in regular Black Guardian units are still available.
And really, if there are more Psykers on Ulthwe, it makes since that more would be on foot anyway. This isn't Sain-Hann

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In a perfect world where 8th brings back some balance one would hope to be given reason not to put everyone on a bike that has the option. Regardless of faction. I remember when bikes were priced higher and there was actually a decision over what type of unit to field.


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Arnais wrote:
I am starting to think that al this Ynnead thing is just a plot from Slanesh to fool the remaining Eldar into voluntarily feeding their souls to her. Making Ynnead followers effectively Chaos Eldar.

That's been my theory all along. Since when is it a good idea to feed off of your brothers soul? Especially when your a dying race on it's last breath It's also not as if GW is subtle about ANYTHING, that avatar looks more Slaanesh then the current KoS

Arnais wrote:
I am starting to think that al this Ynnead thing is just a plot from Slanesh to fool the remaining Eldar into voluntarily feeding their souls to her. Making Ynnead followers effectively Chaos Eldar.

I believe I said that first just laying claim!

I'm confused, why are you raging about Pale Courts ynnead stuff? The Reborn Warhost allows formations, not detachments - it specifically calls out the Guardian, Storm Guardian, and Windrider Warhost FORMATIONS as available, not the Warhost detachment which would let you choose Pale Courts.

There doesn't seem to be a way to get any of the other meta-detachments under ynnead's banner, or any forgeworld stuff. Or start collecting formations, for that matter, not that it makes a difference.

Vorian wrote:
Does Wailing doom get different rules for when it's a spear or a sword?

No. they are the same.


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 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Isn't there the derelict Craftworld that the Grey Knights are keeping an eye on?

Aha! The Swordwind Diaspora can descend on the filthy Mon'Keigh, thank them heartily for protecting their new home and then blow them out the airlock remember, the Eldar are fickle more than anything

 Gremore wrote:

I can see a narrative developing with a sort of Biel Tan diaspora with some fleeing to other Eldar cultures, while there's still a sort of Biel Tan 'migrant fleet' that travels around the galaxy kicking ass and taking names

I wouldnt mind that being the direction they go, with the concept of specialist aspects as we know them evolving into Khaine's worship as a foil to all this Ynnari lunacy.

Yeah it would be a nice way to advance the story while still keeping the factions relevant

Plus, if it actually transpires somehow that it was the Ynnari's fault that Biel Tan got destroyed, I can see some cool intra-Eldar conflict between the followers of the Dead God and the disciples of the God of Murder

Yeah this has some kickass potential!

Havent' they already said that it wasn't Ynnead that broke the Circuit? That it was a webway or daemon influence? cant' remember specifically.

Arnais wrote:
I knew this was coming. The only Craftworld that was kicking ass and taking names in the Lore is getting destroyed. Time to Join Alaitoc and Iyanden in the losers club.

On Saim-Hann, we can't hear the sound of your whining over our jetbikes.

Anyone found out what the Reborn Warhost Command Benefit is?

No it's not the soulburst thing.

It doesn't make sense considering fluff. Also it would mean that Eldar are done for good, along with Harelquins.

I think with new edition will want to unify armies in some way. Also all those rules doesn't make Eldar all that OP. With new edition just tweak some rules for bikes and Wrightknights and here we go.

I love those new rules as I can field Harlequin heavy army which is playable and fun to play with (some bikes, seers, Yncarnate, troupes, solitaire)

 Mr Morden wrote:
Isn't there the derelict Craftworld that the Grey Knights are keeping an eye on?

The Grey Knights only hung around until some eldar could come collect the spirit stones. I was later occupied by orks at which point Iyanden sent it into a sun.

robzidious wrote:
Anyone found out what the Reborn Warhost Command Benefit is?

No it's not the soulburst thing.

I'm guessing it's re-roll warlord traits plus "If this detachment includes 7 or more units, you can select one additional unit to make a Soulburst action each time a unit is destroyed." The latter is a rule called "Warhost of Ynnead" from the preview thing.

the_scotsman wrote:
I'm confused, why are you raging about Pale Courts ynnead stuff? The Reborn Warhost allows formations, not detachments - it specifically calls out the Guardian, Storm Guardian, and Windrider Warhost FORMATIONS as available, not the Warhost detachment which would let you choose Pale Courts.

There doesn't seem to be a way to get any of the other meta-detachments under ynnead's banner, or any forgeworld stuff. Or start collecting formations, for that matter, not that it makes a difference.

Ummm hate to break this to you but formations ARE detachments and pale courts simply swaps aspects for guardians in those formations.

Lets for the sake of argument assume you can't use forgeworld, I'll simple spam aspect shrines of warpspiders. Presto we are in the same terrible situation where I can shoot my unit more then once in a turn or lets say your planning on assaulting my spiders and until this a solid tactic would be sending in a small sacrificial unit to soak over watch, well if I kill that unit with my overwatch I now get to immediately move out of dodge OR immediately shoot your main assault unit at full BS before your charge attempt.

fresus wrote:
The Yncarnate video doesn't show any shot of him with the two small blades…
It's puzzling, as they are in the kit, but are not featured and don't seem to have rules for them.

It's a modelling option not a weapons option, the yncarnes weapon is described as being able to change shape so convert him with whatever weapon you like really or mix and match between what is in the kit, depending how it looks I may go for the sword in one hand and a dagger in the other instead of the symbol.

Love that 'ignore' feature.

The Pale Courts Warhost is an alternate Core formation available to take in an Eldar Warhost detachment. If you could take a full Eldar Warhost in a Reborn Warhost, you could just take an Avatar of Khaine in the "living legends" slot and circumvent the restriction, which would be pretty funny.

Yeah, no doubt about it though, the Ynnari are going to make competitive players miserable, and they're going to make spiderspam and scatpacks even shittier to deal with.

Good thing I don't play against those lists, and I don't know anyone so committed to making sure their opponent has a crappy time that they'll buy, build and paint 10 50$ boxes of finecast warp spiders.

I sure am looking forward to flexible Harlequins, sharing open-topped transports, and using units that previously couldn't be justified at all because they were so crappy. Wyches and clowns and incubi, sounds like fun!

the_scotsman wrote:
Love that 'ignore' feature.

The Pale Courts Warhost is an alternate Core formation available to take in an Eldar Warhost detachment. If you could take a full Eldar Warhost in a Reborn Warhost, you could just take an Avatar of Khaine in the "living legends" slot and circumvent the restriction, which would be pretty funny.

Yeah, no doubt about it though, the Ynnari are going to make competitive players miserable, and they're going to make spiderspam and scatpacks even shittier to deal with.

Good thing I don't play against those lists, and I don't know anyone so committed to making sure their opponent has a crappy time that they'll buy, build and paint 10 50$ boxes of finecast warp spiders.

I sure am looking forward to flexible Harlequins, sharing open-topped transports, and using units that previously couldn't be justified at all because they were so crappy. Wyches and clowns and incubi, sounds like fun!

So in love with the feature you still manage to be involved in the discussion to the level of throwing jabs in while not addressing the fact you don't understand how army construction works in 7th.

This detachment didn't add much to narrative or fluff play since you could always go unbound. Speaking of which, hilarious to me that players still vomit at the thought of unbound yet embrace rules like this. This is basically Aeldari Unbound. You can field all the best units with absolutely no tax and you actually gain a borderline broken benefit for doing it rather then losing one.

Cosmic Schwung wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Isn't there the derelict Craftworld that the Grey Knights are keeping an eye on?

The Grey Knights only hung around until some eldar could come collect the spirit stones. I was later occupied by orks at which point Iyanden sent it into a sun.

Poor Malantai (sp?) That Craftworld has been overrun by Nids that killed all the Eldar, infested with Slaaneshi Daemons who gorged themselves on the left over soulstones and had to be defeated by the GKs, only to be infested with Orks. No wonder Iyanden was like "Just burn it, send it into a sun"



A note about the Pale Courts - Yes it is a formation. But it isn't a LISTED formation available to the Ynnari

@Red Corsair: I agree. Unbound is a joke when detachments like this exist. I would be ok if nothing else changes about 8th ed as long as there is much stricter army composition,

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 Galef wrote:

Cosmic Schwung wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Isn't there the derelict Craftworld that the Grey Knights are keeping an eye on?

The Grey Knights only hung around until some eldar could come collect the spirit stones. I was later occupied by orks at which point Iyanden sent it into a sun.

Poor Malantai (sp?) That Craftworld has been overrun by Nids that killed all the Eldar, infested with Slaaneshi Daemons who gorged themselves on the left over soulstones and had to be defeated by the GKs, only to be infested with Orks. No wonder Iyanden was like "Just burn it, send it into a sun"



A note about the Pale Courts - Yes it is a formation. But it isn't a LISTED formation available to the Ynnari

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Well, Walmart 40k wouldn't take it back.

Started a thread in tactics to discuss the release. I am hoping to inform and develop a better understanding of the ramifications this faction release will have but feel free to discuss the lighter side as well.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/717256.page#9190081

Want to reiterate something several people have mentioned already:

This book is a direct upgrade to Harlequins, while having a limited effect on CW:E. Unsure that it affects DE that much, but at this point it would be hard to not improve on the codex.

Harlies lose nothing to the Ynead, while gaining a few more options and additional rules. Finally get to field a CAD, and can run the formations with additional bonuses. This will definitely see an increase in Harlie usage at a competitive level, but increasing from a near total absence to being rare isn't going to change the meta I'd imagine.

 Dash2021 wrote:
Want to reiterate something several people have mentioned already:

This book is a direct upgrade to Harlequins, while having a limited effect on CW:E. Unsure that it affects DE that much, but at this point it would be hard to not improve on the codex.

Harlies lose nothing to the Ynead, while gaining a few more options and additional rules. Finally get to field a CAD, and can run the formations with additional bonuses. This will definitely see an increase in Harlie usage at a competitive level, but increasing from a near total absence to being rare isn't going to change the meta I'd imagine.

Only issue with Ynnari harlequin formations is that you still require the 1hq and 2 troops to take the formations as Ynnari.

 Dash2021 wrote:
Want to reiterate something several people have mentioned already:

This book is a direct upgrade to Harlequins, while having a limited effect on CW:E. Unsure that it affects DE that much, but at this point it would be hard to not improve on the codex.

Harlies lose nothing to the Ynead, while gaining a few more options and additional rules. Finally get to field a CAD, and can run the formations with additional bonuses. This will definitely see an increase in Harlie usage at a competitive level, but increasing from a near total absence to being rare isn't going to change the meta I'd imagine.

This is an understatement. I agree with your assessment in regard to the Harlequins however. It is unfortunate that in order for them to be given a bone they had to share it with CWE who didn't need a boost.

Yeah, I am super stoked to actually take the Harlie untis I want without either taking A) 3 of same expensive unit, or B) the Voidweaver piece of
Like I can actually just take 1 Troupe and 1 Skyweaver unit and call it a day. Oh, or the Solitaire just by himself

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Im just stoked to be able to have a well rounded army while playing 3 difference codex.

 nintura wrote:
Im just stoked to be able to have a well rounded army while playing 3 difference codex.

I second that. I've been already playing DE primary with some CWE allies for a couple of years, and thought of adding a few Harlies since the local rules allow me to take them as a part of either codex. Now there's official rules for a mixed force with unique benefits and additional units.

robzidious wrote:
Anyone found out what the Reborn Warhost Command Benefit is?

No it's not the soulburst thing.

- Leader of the Reborn : standard warlord trait re-roll

- Our Souls we entrust : all units gain Stubborn. A unit from the detachment within 7" of another units from the same detachment don't make morale cheks when it loses 25%+ of it's models

- Warhost of Ynnead: if you got 7+ units, you can select another unit to make a Soulburst action

 Garion wrote:

robzidious wrote:
Anyone found out what the Reborn Warhost Command Benefit is?

No it's not the soulburst thing.

- Leader of the Reborn : standard warlord trait re-roll

- Our Souls we entrust : all units gain Stubborn. A unit from the detachment within 7" of another units from the same detachment don't make morale cheks when it loses 25%+ of it's models

- Warhost of Ynnead: if you got 7+ units, you can select another unit to make a Soulburst action

Does the second unit have to be within 7" of the dead unit?

Yes, that does not change

Darn, so that rule from the glossary that gave 6+ FnP and increased other FnP is a mission specific? That's the last place I can think to find it, but was hoping to see it for the Warhost.

so is it true that Ynnead plays a role in resurrecting Roboute?

LightKing wrote:
so is it true that Ynnead plays a role in resurrecting Roboute?

LightKing wrote:
Sorry for all the questions guys

I'm thinking you're not all that sorry, and that the mod warning in that thread has gone over your head?

 Alpharius wrote:
Can we please limit the nonsensical questions in this thread, and try to stick to actual News and Rumors about "The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch"

Plot summary for Fracture of Biel-Tan over here if anyone is interested