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https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/r/cv5ylvgk For the placings.

CovenantGuardian wrote:
https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/r/cv5ylvgk For the placings.

tl;dr, In the top 25, 13 are Imperium (3 IG in the top 5), 7 Chaos, 5 xenos (Ynnari and 1 Tau). Soupy.

So Nick Nanavati doesn't learn until round 4 that the CSM extra attack strat is at end of melee(doesn't even have the reference himself). So for 3 rounds he potentially was attacking 3 times with 'zerks on the charge. At this level of play?

Fast and loose play. Hope this isn't systemic. Another reason I don't attend these. I'm not there to teach the game during a tournament.

You have to expect after 2 grand tourneys and conscript/plasma spam domination there is going to be some heavy nerfs in both chapter approved book and the newly announced astra militarum codex.

Also poor orks still sucking it big time through another edition.

 Byte wrote:
So Nick Nanavati doesn't learn until round 4 that the CSM extra attack strat is at end of melee(doesn't even have the reference himself). So for 3 rounds he potentially was attacking 3 times with 'zerks on the charge. At this level of play?

Fast and loose play. Hope this isn't systemic. Another reason I don't attend these. I'm not there to teach the game during a tournament.

I don't know where you heard that but there were errors, sure. It's a new edition. About a billion people forgot to do -1 from moving and shooting heavy weapons from what I saw and heard. People were disembarking and shooting after moving the transport too. I also saw Advancing while falling back and confusion over what step a Gulliman ressurected occurs (which is only notable cause there were like 30 Guilliman's).

Sucks if you lose a match for it, but I think people are forgiving that these placements might not be quite as solid as a result. Plus the whole Codex/No Codex issue.

Didn't hear it. Watched it on the video of the match. Round 4 playing PJ Pants.

The Best Coast Pairing are a little inaccurate when it comes down to top16 lists. The top16 at Nova (the 4-0 players that were in the top brackets before drops) looked more like: 7 Imperium players, 6 Chaos, 2 Tau players, and 1 Xenos player that I can't remember.

It's hard to tell from that pairing system since the highest players listed were NOT the top16 players, they were simply the players with the highest pts. AKA - the players that earned the most battle points (the players who stayed for all 8 rounds).

 Byte wrote:
So Nick Nanavati doesn't learn until round 4 that the CSM extra attack strat is at end of melee(doesn't even have the reference himself). So for 3 rounds he potentially was attacking 3 times with 'zerks on the charge. At this level of play?

Fast and loose play. Hope this isn't systemic. Another reason I don't attend these. I'm not there to teach the game during a tournament.

OMG they should ban him from ever playing again.

First, you won't play cause you were not invited, and after reading that comment I am glad you don't come as that attitude is exactly what ruins an opponent's fun as well. Pushing toy men around is not that serious.

 Cult of My Boy Blue wrote:

 Byte wrote:
So Nick Nanavati doesn't learn until round 4 that the CSM extra attack strat is at end of melee(doesn't even have the reference himself). So for 3 rounds he potentially was attacking 3 times with 'zerks on the charge. At this level of play?

Fast and loose play. Hope this isn't systemic. Another reason I don't attend these. I'm not there to teach the game during a tournament.

OMG they should ban him from ever playing again.

First, you won't play cause you were not invited, and after reading that comment I am glad you don't come as that attitude is exactly what ruins an opponent's fun as well. Pushing toy men around is not that serious.

O..K.. So never mind entry fees, time off for travel, air fees, prizes going to the wrong people, etc. Your right, toy men. Well put. Got it, fast and loose, OK at a GT. Because fun!

Saythings wrote:
The Best Coast Pairing are a little inaccurate when it comes down to top16 lists. The top16 at Nova (the 4-0 players that were in the top brackets before drops) looked more like: 7 Imperium players, 6 Chaos, 2 Tau players, and 1 Xenos player that I can't remember.

It's hard to tell from that pairing system since the highest players listed were NOT the top16 players, they were simply the players with the highest pts. AKA - the players that earned the most battle points (the players who stayed for all 8 rounds).

If that's true than where would we ever be able to see the actual winners list?

 Byte wrote:

 Cult of My Boy Blue wrote:

 Byte wrote:
So Nick Nanavati doesn't learn until round 4 that the CSM extra attack strat is at end of melee(doesn't even have the reference himself). So for 3 rounds he potentially was attacking 3 times with 'zerks on the charge. At this level of play?

Fast and loose play. Hope this isn't systemic. Another reason I don't attend these. I'm not there to teach the game during a tournament.

OMG they should ban him from ever playing again.

First, you won't play cause you were not invited, and after reading that comment I am glad you don't come as that attitude is exactly what ruins an opponent's fun as well. Pushing toy men around is not that serious.

O..K.. So never mind entry fees, time off for travel, air fees, prizes going to the wrong people, etc. Your right, toy men. Well put. Got it, fast and loose, OK at a GT. Because fun!

Even all of those items don't excuse you from calling out someone making a simple mistake for a codex that JUST came out and 8th Edition being only a few months old. Plus, GW already releasing several faq's. All of these things add to a learning curve. But hey if you can memorize every armies rules more power to you.

Aye, simple mistake. Im sure this kind of stuff happens all the time at GTs. At least PJ Pants knew to ask the question. Thats fun!

 Cult of My Boy Blue wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Cult of My Boy Blue wrote:

 Byte wrote:
So Nick Nanavati doesn't learn until round 4 that the CSM extra attack strat is at end of melee(doesn't even have the reference himself). So for 3 rounds he potentially was attacking 3 times with 'zerks on the charge. At this level of play?

Fast and loose play. Hope this isn't systemic. Another reason I don't attend these. I'm not there to teach the game during a tournament.

OMG they should ban him from ever playing again.

First, you won't play cause you were not invited, and after reading that comment I am glad you don't come as that attitude is exactly what ruins an opponent's fun as well. Pushing toy men around is not that serious.

O..K.. So never mind entry fees, time off for travel, air fees, prizes going to the wrong people, etc. Your right, toy men. Well put. Got it, fast and loose, OK at a GT. Because fun!

Even all of those items don't excuse you from calling out someone making a simple mistake for a codex that JUST came out and 8th Edition being only a few months old. Plus, GW already releasing several faq's. All of these things add to a learning curve. But hey if you can memorize every armies rules more power to you.

A simple mistake is something in your OPPONENTS favor, not your own. I have played. Some of these 'celebs' at GTs. They seem pretty fast and loose to me until its my turn.

I'm not sure why there's the need to complain so much for someone who "doesn't go to these" anyway.

Over 2,000 people enjoyed an amazing con, and I'm enormously grateful to the volunteers, vendors, and volunteers themselves for making this the most heartwarming and awesome NOVA yet.

It looks like we also raised nearly or more than $60,000 for charity (they're still balancing the sheets)!

Congrats on the big numbers mike. Glad I got back out there. I had a great time.

Audustum wrote:

Saythings wrote:
The Best Coast Pairing are a little inaccurate when it comes down to top16 lists. The top16 at Nova (the 4-0 players that were in the top brackets before drops) looked more like: 7 Imperium players, 6 Chaos, 2 Tau players, and 1 Xenos player that I can't remember.

It's hard to tell from that pairing system since the highest players listed were NOT the top16 players, they were simply the players with the highest pts. AKA - the players that earned the most battle points (the players who stayed for all 8 rounds).

If that's true than where would we ever be able to see the actual winners list?

I'm not 100% sure how you'd get the top lists. Even the win/loss order from that app is a little off. I got 5th overall (according to the app) - but I went 3-1 the first 4 games, then I went 4-0 in the brackets and won the 3rd bracket.

I just pointed it out so people didn't see the "top 16 rankings" and assume that was the 16 players that made it 4-0 (and logically placed top16).

A recap of the 40k Trios Team Tournament is now up---21 teams/63 players this year and an increasingly heated theme competition!

http://www.rocketshipgames.com/blogs/tjkopena/2017/09/2017-nova-40k-trios-recap/

A gallery with many photos from that event is here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tjkopena/albums/72157688598658955/

40k Narrative recap to come.

Saythings wrote:

Audustum wrote:

Saythings wrote:
The Best Coast Pairing are a little inaccurate when it comes down to top16 lists. The top16 at Nova (the 4-0 players that were in the top brackets before drops) looked more like: 7 Imperium players, 6 Chaos, 2 Tau players, and 1 Xenos player that I can't remember.

It's hard to tell from that pairing system since the highest players listed were NOT the top16 players, they were simply the players with the highest pts. AKA - the players that earned the most battle points (the players who stayed for all 8 rounds).

If that's true than where would we ever be able to see the actual winners list?

I'm not 100% sure how you'd get the top lists. Even the win/loss order from that app is a little off. I got 5th overall (according to the app) - but I went 3-1 the first 4 games, then I went 4-0 in the brackets and won the 3rd bracket.

I just pointed it out so people didn't see the "top 16 rankings" and assume that was the 16 players that made it 4-0 (and logically placed top16).

Go to the pairings for Game 5. The top 8 tables are the people who made the top bracket. You can look at their lists.

MVBrandt wrote:
I'm not sure why there's the need to complain so much for someone who "doesn't go to these" anyway.

Because it precisely illustrates why I don't go. Also your reply cleary defines the support of "fast and loose" play. You insight should be, "Ill have to see if this was a factor in his 3 prior games." Nah.


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 doktor_g wrote:

 Cult of My Boy Blue wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Cult of My Boy Blue wrote:

 Byte wrote:
So Nick Nanavati doesn't learn until round 4 that the CSM extra attack strat is at end of melee(doesn't even have the reference himself). So for 3 rounds he potentially was attacking 3 times with 'zerks on the charge. At this level of play?

Fast and loose play. Hope this isn't systemic. Another reason I don't attend these. I'm not there to teach the game during a tournament.

OMG they should ban him from ever playing again.

First, you won't play cause you were not invited, and after reading that comment I am glad you don't come as that attitude is exactly what ruins an opponent's fun as well. Pushing toy men around is not that serious.

O..K.. So never mind entry fees, time off for travel, air fees, prizes going to the wrong people, etc. Your right, toy men. Well put. Got it, fast and loose, OK at a GT. Because fun!

Even all of those items don't excuse you from calling out someone making a simple mistake for a codex that JUST came out and 8th Edition being only a few months old. Plus, GW already releasing several faq's. All of these things add to a learning curve. But hey if you can memorize every armies rules more power to you.

A simple mistake is something in your OPPONENTS favor, not your own. I have played. Some of these 'celebs' at GTs. They seem pretty fast and loose to me until its my turn.

This man speaks the truth. He'll get flamed, but truth.

I may not be there rolling dice, but Ive watched the matches for years. I see/saw it.

I have to add this isnt whole sale. Example, Ive played Mike Taylor. Hes a gentleman.

 Byte wrote:

MVBrandt wrote:
I'm not sure why there's the need to complain so much for someone who "doesn't go to these" anyway.

Because it precisely illustrates why I don't go. Also your reply cleary defines the support of "fast and loose" play. You insight should be, "Ill have to see if this was a factor in his 3 prior games." Nah.


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 Cult of My Boy Blue wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Cult of My Boy Blue wrote:

 Byte wrote:
So Nick Nanavati doesn't learn until round 4 that the CSM extra attack strat is at end of melee(doesn't even have the reference himself). So for 3 rounds he potentially was attacking 3 times with 'zerks on the charge. At this level of play?

Fast and loose play. Hope this isn't systemic. Another reason I don't attend these. I'm not there to teach the game during a tournament.

OMG they should ban him from ever playing again.

First, you won't play cause you were not invited, and after reading that comment I am glad you don't come as that attitude is exactly what ruins an opponent's fun as well. Pushing toy men around is not that serious.

O..K.. So never mind entry fees, time off for travel, air fees, prizes going to the wrong people, etc. Your right, toy men. Well put. Got it, fast and loose, OK at a GT. Because fun!

Even all of those items don't excuse you from calling out someone making a simple mistake for a codex that JUST came out and 8th Edition being only a few months old. Plus, GW already releasing several faq's. All of these things add to a learning curve. But hey if you can memorize every armies rules more power to you.

A simple mistake is something in your OPPONENTS favor, not your own. I have played. Some of these 'celebs' at GTs. They seem pretty fast and loose to me until its my turn.

This man speaks the truth. He'll get flamed, but truth.

I may not be there rolling dice, but Ive watched the matches for years. I see/saw it.

I have to add this isnt whole sale. Example, Ive played Mike Taylor. Hes a gentleman.

How do you propose he find out if it effected his earlier games? And what would you have him do about it? Ban Nick? Kick him out? re-do the scoring for all those games (how much impact did it have?, do his opponents get full point wins?) re-pair the entire 250 player event? On some level it is opponents responsibility to ask to see the rules if they feel something is off. Which is why they may seem fast and loose until it is your turn. They will play the game unless you ask them a question about their rules. Now you may not want to need to do this, but it is the case. Personally I'm more likely to buy things being an honest mistake until proven otherwise.

Honestly, anything more than, "why should you care, your not in the event". Guess everybody is happy. Who am I to stir a fuss.

Your right, Ive played high level 40k for years. Its always the option of abusing what your opponent doesnt know. I dont play that way but I can spot it. Because I do study all the material.

 Byte wrote:
Honestly, anything more than, "why should you care, your not in the event". Guess everybody is happy. Who am I to stir a fuss.

Your right, Ive played high level 40k for years. Its always the option of abusing what your opponent doesnt know. I dont play that way but I can spot it. Because I do study all the material.

Not really an answer. In a tournament you really cannot go back and fix prior results, until such a time as all games are judged tableside it is incumbent upon each player to ensure the rules are played correctly.

On some level it is opponents responsibility to ask to see the rules if they feel something is off. Which is why they may seem fast and loose until it is your turn. They will play the game unless you ask them a question about their rules. Now you may not want to need to do this, but it is the case. Personally I'm more likely to buy things being an honest mistake until proven otherwise.

Absolutely NO! In a high level tournament, actually any tournament for that matter, your opponent should know how to play their army correctly, period, full stop. There is no excuse for them not to know the rules for the army they are playing and they should be playing them correctly. I think it is crazy for anyone to know all the rules, and you should not be expected too, for the sole reason of making sure your opponent is playing correctly. I know people hate the C word but if I'm playing in a Major tournament and my opponent is not playing his army correctly, and it is in his favor, there would be no doubt in my mind that I was being cheated period. No excuse for not knowing the rules for your army, I thought that was why all the tournament organizers were involved in play testing to make the game easier to play so stuff like this did not happen!?!

 ChainswordHeretic wrote:

On some level it is opponents responsibility to ask to see the rules if they feel something is off. Which is why they may seem fast and loose until it is your turn. They will play the game unless you ask them a question about their rules. Now you may not want to need to do this, but it is the case. Personally I'm more likely to buy things being an honest mistake until proven otherwise.

Absolutely NO! In a high level tournament, actually any tournament for that matter, your opponent should know how to play their army correctly, period, full stop. There is no excuse for them not to know the rules for the army they are playing and they should be playing them correctly. I think it is crazy for anyone to know all the rules, and you should not be expected too, for the sole reason of making sure your opponent is playing correctly. I know people hate the C word but if I'm playing in a Major tournament and my opponent is not playing his army correctly, and it is in his favor, there would be no doubt in my mind that I was being cheated period. No excuse for not knowing the rules for your army, I thought that was why all the tournament organizers were involved in play testing to make the game easier to play so stuff like this did not happen!?!

So people cannot misread things or make mistakes? You don't need to know the rules to every army to not take your opponents word for how his army works. You don't need to know all the rules to go "hey that seems really strong, can I see the rules for that ability?". Then you read the rules and say "hey, it doesn't work like that." It isn't about knowing all the rules, it is about checking them when something seems powerful to make sure it really is. Especially if you don't know all the rules. If you as the opponent know all the rules, then you will know when things are right or wrong. IF you don't ask.


If only people who never misread rules, never make mistakes about rules, or play things incorrectly are allowed at tournaments, events will be very small. People make way more mistakes than they think they do when playing.

It partly because there are people glad to let cheaters off the hook that there is still a lot of it going on now. When someone makes every mistake that benefits them I don't think that is a matter of "not knowing the rules".

 Primark G wrote:
It partly because there are people glad to let cheaters off the hook that there is still a lot of it going on now. When someone makes every mistake that benefits them I don't think that is a matter of "not knowing the rules".

Assumes every mistake made benefits the player making those mistakes. But even given that it is incumbent upon opponents to police this because judges cannot do so. Unless every time the internet loses their mind that player should be banned from every event forever is your solution. Which will result in the end of tournament streaming because no one will every want to play on a stream.

Yeah put words in my mouth why don't you.

You say I should question my opponent if I think something is to powerful, and guess what, he would have gave me the wrong answer because he did not know the rules for his army!. it was only caught because he did play someone that knew his rules, that is not OK, no I should not have to police my opponent. If you are playing in a tournament that has prizes, and people potentially paid thousands of dollars to attend, you should know, at the very least, how to play your army correctly. No I do not think there is an excuse for this.


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Unless every time the internet loses their mind that player should be banned from every event forever is your solution.

Make stuff up much? No one said this and I don't believe it. I would be fine if he was not allowed to win anything, and he should have apologized to his previous opponents, which he might have. Lesson learned, and study your rules for the next tournament.

 ChainswordHeretic wrote:
You say I should question my opponent if I think something is to powerful, and guess what, he would have gave me the wrong answer because he did not know the rules for his army!. it was only caught because he did play someone that knew his rules, that is not OK, no I should not have to police my opponent. If you are playing in a tournament that has prizes, and people potentially paid thousands of dollars to attend, you should know, at the very least, how to play your army correctly. No I do not think there is an excuse for this.


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Unless every time the internet loses their mind that player should be banned from every event forever is your solution.

Make stuff up much? No one said this and I don't believe it. I would be fine if he was not allowed to win anything, and he should have apologized to his previous opponents, which he might have. Lesson learned, and study your rules for the next tournament.

You ask him to SEE the rules, you know in his INDEX/CODEX. So you can read them. If he does not have the "official print/digital copy of the rules" call a judge as the rules packet requires him to have them. So no he wouldn't give you the wrong answer. Hence "can I see the rules for that?" not "what does that do?" Sorry most people make mistakes with their armies, it is incumbent upon people to police their own games, because you are the first line of arbitration for rules mistakes.

He didn't win anything, no idea if he apologized. But most people that complain about this stuff want people to be shunned by the community because they made mistakes. Doing so means tournament streaming ends because no one will want to be shunned for their mistakes made on camera.

 ChainswordHeretic wrote:
You say I should question my opponent if I think something is to powerful, and guess what, he would have gave me the wrong answer because he did not know the rules for his army!. it was only caught because he did play someone that knew his rules, that is not OK, no I should not have to police my opponent. If you are playing in a tournament that has prizes, and people potentially paid thousands of dollars to attend, you should know, at the very least, how to play your army correctly. No I do not think there is an excuse for this.


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Unless every time the internet loses their mind that player should be banned from every event forever is your solution.

Make stuff up much? No one said this and I don't believe it. I would be fine if he was not allowed to win anything, and he should have apologized to his previous opponents, which he might have. Lesson learned, and study your rules for the next tournament.

You Sir, are one sharp individual. *Respectful bow *