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Dakka Wolf wrote: Two of us got the boot from a tournament recently over the handshake. My opponent had turned every handshake that I'd seen into an arm twist.
What the hell?
Yea I can't quite picture that. You mean he would try to put his opponent into a full on arm lock? I see that going very badly very very quickly.
You got it.
Yea. I just have this image of my Boy throwing him across the room or my daughter macing him right in the middle of the tournament, and then rouchembouing him over and over like grandpa Frazzled taught her.
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Pre-game: Shake hands, wish "good luck", or "may the best man win", or similar.
Post-game: Shake hands, "thanks for the game", or "well played" or similar.
It's pretty standard around here, even among old friends. The post match is sometimes skipped BUT THAT'S BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF LOSING TO YOU, AGAIN, DAVE!
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What? No hug and kiss on the cheek on both sides? I thought that was the European thing to do. Or is that only when your opponent is the opposite sex?
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Dakka Wolf wrote: Two of us got the boot from a tournament recently over the handshake. My opponent had turned every handshake that I'd seen into an arm twist.
What the hell?
Yea I can't quite picture that. You mean he would try to put his opponent into a full on arm lock? I see that going very badly very very quickly.
You got it.
Yea. I just have this image of my Boy throwing him across the room or my daughter macing him right in the middle of the tournament, and then rouchembouing him over and over like grandpa Frazzled taught her.
Well, I didn't actually throw him. My plan was just to poke the back of his knee to make him drop halfway through the spin - instead he lunged forwards and feeling his arm twist to dislocate his shoulder levels I let it go. Probably would have done less damage if I threw him through a table on purpose.
Smarter person would have just bipassed the handshake and given him a warrior's grip, make the spin impossible rather than trying to stuff with it.
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
...actually, while on the subject of handshakes I'll just say I'm a small dude on the gamer scale but I (not only in gaming but all walks of life) am often surprised by....no other way to say than "weak?"handshakes. Not an armlock or anything like that but a small, still palm to be shaken like a noble extending their arm. No kissing of rings yet. Makes me think of a show we had in America called King of the Hill where the Texan dad was destroyed when he shook George Bush's hand and it was a "weak handshake." Poor guy just couldn't get over it.
I'm not so dwelling upon that. A handshake works fine for me, or a shaking of mannequin arm, whatever, same meaning for me.
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I shake hands before and after every phase, and anyone who doesn't is a bad sport.
Just kidding.
I'll shake hands if it is offered, but prefer to settle for an excited exchange of 'good game' and a discussion of our favourite moments, and speculating over what might have happened differently or how we might change our lists next time.
VeteranNoob wrote: Maybe it's just me, but I believe the handshake is an essential part of the gaming process. It's very very rare in my case, but if a game ends without a handshake something just feels...off. Even a player who just had tremendous bad luck (somehow even worse than me) at least acknowledges the "good game" at the end. Maybe I was just "raised" too sensitively in wargaming. Anyone else feel weird about an opponent not ending with a handshake? I admit, only time I did not ensure or extend the handshake was one game where I was so insulted by the rudeness of this player that I just stopped and packed up (which seems to me to be the last resort, the worst thing that can happen in a game).
I only ask because I'm glad to see Warhammer Live comment on "how every game of Warhammer should end" and in teaching newer/younger players and making sure they understand the sportsman element of the handshake at the end of the game. I'm American, but in Europe I've yet to have a game without the sacred handshake.
Every game should end with an embrace and a brief kiss on each cheek. After a tournament game, players traditionally kiss on the mouth 1 or 2 seconds for every round the game lasted.
I'm disappointed to see the newer generation of wargamers don't know about, or are simply too rude and selfish to follow these simple rules of etiquette.
VeteranNoob wrote: ...actually, while on the subject of handshakes I'll just say I'm a small dude on the gamer scale but I (not only in gaming but all walks of life) am often surprised by....no other way to say than "weak?"handshakes. Not an armlock or anything like that but a small, still palm to be shaken like a noble extending their arm. No kissing of rings yet. Makes me think of a show we had in America called King of the Hill where the Texan dad was destroyed when he shook George Bush's hand and it was a "weak handshake." Poor guy just couldn't get over it.
I'm not so dwelling upon that. A handshake works fine for me, or a shaking of mannequin arm, whatever, same meaning for me.
At one of my previous jobs I had a supervisor who drove me nuts. Nice guy, but he'd always, without fail - offer up a handshake. When you accepted...he was dead fish. Wouldn't even grip your hand back, just..."here, hold my cold dead hand...awkwardly". Every damn time. But, being polite I couldn't refuse a handshake.
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So unless the FLGS has a rope pull for a door handle, it's a much less risky maneuver.
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Honestly, it never really occurs to me to initiate a handshake before or after a game. The sports I participated in high school (distance running) never really lent themselves to handshaking afterward so I never really developed the habit.
I typically don't mean any ill will to my opponent which is becoming more and more only friends, it is just not something I think about after a game.
I haven't declined a handshake when it is offered and don't think I wouldn't save the most horrendous of game experiences in which the game wouldn't see its natural conclusion.
Elbows wrote: While I shake hands with new people I haven't met before, or at conventions - I don't shake hands amongst my close friends, since we know each other so well, etc.
I'd consider some of the regulars at my local GW as being the category of "close friends" when it comes to the purposes of gaming, and we still end our games with handshakes.
I guess for me, the handshake, especially with friends is the signal that now the game is over, if we were being serious about the game, you can relax.... Being the analyzing process, ingest and dissect the game, learn, etc. When I get a game against some of our younger folk in the shop, it is after the handshake that I really begin "helping" the youngsters. Now, I'm not talking like "I let you move 7 inches instead of 6, get it right n00b" sort of help, I mean things like "hey, during deployment, you put your terminators on the front line, and you lost them before they could do anything due to grav-cannons hitting them, you may think about taking a Land Raider, or doing X with them"
I don't really view miniature gaming as a competition. I tend to play to find out what happens like in an RPG, so a hand shake feels inappropriate. I'll take an offered hand, of course.
I do play X-Wing and Magic as well and when I'm playing in an actual event for those, I do see it as a competition and offer the hand shake, but generally only after.
I'm definitely a proponent of societal rituals like this though. We need more of them in almost every aspect of life.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
frozenwastes wrote: I don't really view miniature gaming as a competition. I tend to play to find out what happens like in an RPG, so a hand shake feels inappropriate. I'll take an offered hand, of course.
I do play X-Wing and Magic as well and when I'm playing in an actual event for those, I do see it as a competition and offer the hand shake, but generally only after.
I'm definitely a proponent of societal rituals like this though. We need more of them in almost every aspect of life.
You don't offer one as a greeting or 'thanks for accepting the game" beforehand?
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
You don't offer one as a greeting or 'thanks for accepting the game" beforehand?
It might actually be a result of Magic the Gathering protocol where extending the hand can be a way of saying you concede the match. You'll even see it on their video streaming coverage with the announcers going "and there's the handshake so this match is over!" or whatever.
Hand shakes when you meet someone normally of course. Just not at the beginning of a round of magic. You usually ask the other person's name if you don't know it to make sure you've sitting down across from the right person, but I don't know the last time I saw someone shake hands during that interaction. Rarely, but it does happen.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
I do not really do physical contact in general but always give a head nod or hand shake when one is given.
But I do tend to dead fish the hand shakes, in a land of sjw and people complaining about boob armour. You could always hurt someone or upset someone by shaking their hand roughly.
Happened before being a larger guy guy what I consider a reasonable ammount of pressure hurt a guy, I guess and he complained saying he would need to see a doctor and see if he may need sugery. Which we all knew he was..... one of those types. He tried to sue the store when he fell on a flat floor saying there must of been a bulge.
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I had a guy attempt the crushing handshake, which was fine as it gave me lots of extra leverage when I replied by headbutting him. He had a bloody nose and a rather dazed look while picking himself up off the floor and it was the last time he tried that. Nobody applies a hand crusher "by accident" and if somebody wants to be an intentional jerk I'm always game to raise them one better.
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paulson games wrote: I had a guy attempt the crushing handshake, which was fine as it gave me lots of extra leverage when I replied by headbutting him. He had a bloody nose and a rather dazed look while picking himself up off the floor and it was the last time he tried that. Nobody applies a hand crusher "by accident" and if somebody wants to be an intentional jerk I'm always game to raise them one better.
That was a tragic accident how he fell forward like that.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
You don't offer one as a greeting or 'thanks for accepting the game" beforehand?
It might actually be a result of Magic the Gathering protocol where extending the hand can be a way of saying you concede the match. You'll even see it on their video streaming coverage with the announcers going "and there's the handshake so this match is over!" or whatever.
Hand shakes when you meet someone normally of course. Just not at the beginning of a round of magic. You usually ask the other person's name if you don't know it to make sure you've sitting down across from the right person, but I don't know the last time I saw someone shake hands during that interaction. Rarely, but it does happen.
That's a new one to me. I haven't played MtG for about a year but while I was playing placing your hand on your deck and leaving it there was the sign for conceeding.
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
In between this and the "illegal terrain" all i can think is, what is going wrong with people?!
They are both bedrocks of the wargaming, tabletop hobby. Before a game is always an optional but after you shouldn't have to think about, surely? (possible I have been away too long from surly kids playing 40k, but sure it can't have changed that much from when I was a lad!)
paulson games wrote: I had a guy attempt the crushing handshake, which was fine as it gave me lots of extra leverage when I replied by headbutting him. He had a bloody nose and a rather dazed look while picking himself up off the floor and it was the last time he tried that. Nobody applies a hand crusher "by accident" and if somebody wants to be an intentional jerk I'm always game to raise them one better.
That was a tragic accident how he fell forward like that.
The handshake is like a sign of respect just as much as wishing your opponent good luck and to have fun at the beginning. It's just part of the social aspect of the game due to actually being out there with other people. That said the only time I don't shake hands with the opponent is when they've shown nothing but a lack of respect throughout the game, whether cheating or otherwise, the fun of the game is compromised by it and whether it's a casual pick up game or a tournament (cause even if you win but don't have fun getting there what's the point, it's like a chore) that is the most important aspect of the game.
Im a touch OCD (germs 'n' all ) so a Brofist suffices for me.
But yeah, the basic idea is sound and shows respect / goodwill.
Sports have been doing it for decades, so why not gaming?
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n0t_u wrote: The handshake is like a sign of respect just as much as wishing your opponent good luck and to have fun at the beginning. It's just part of the social aspect of the game due to actually being out there with other people. That said the only time I don't shake hands with the opponent is when they've shown nothing but a lack of respect throughout the game, whether cheating or otherwise, the fun of the game is compromised by it and whether it's a casual pick up game or a tournament (cause even if you win but don't have fun getting there what's the point, it's like a chore) that is the most important aspect of the game.
Wish I could exault this again.
I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
Dakka Wolf wrote: That's a new one to me. I haven't played MtG for about a year but while I was playing placing your hand on your deck and leaving it there was the sign for conceeding.
i've never heard of that one. I guess things shift. And there might have been regional differences. On their streaming coverage (so Pro Tour, Grand Prix events, Worlds, etc.,) it is always a handshake or the scooping up of all cards and beginning to shuffle.
Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
And after a while, you can work on points for style
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You'll get the chance to put the knife in
Kudos for quoting what may arguably be one of Pink Floyd's best songs, but I disagree. Even during the bloodthirsty tourney heyday of '98-'05 or so, I still never failed to get a sense of sportsmanship from 95% of the players in the tourneys. Handshakes were part of that, and it's no coincidence that the powergamers who got stomped by a better general refused to shake hands. Even in single elimination tourneys, you still had it. In fact, I've only played one game where there was no attempt at a handshake. I was playing in the semifinal of a single elimination tourney against a kid using the FLGS manager's Imperial Fists army. There was even a game changing call that ran AGAINST errata listed in WD, and was made in the kids favor anyway. Oddly enough, the finals match was agreed to a draw with no playing. NO handshake for those people.
