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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 02:12:34
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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I personally just love how Trump bellowed all day and night during the election about how the FBI was investigating Clinton, and now questions if the President of the United States can get wiretaps for an political candidate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 02:34:10
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Kanluwen wrote: Breotan wrote:As for the Pence email scandal, it goes to show how the Clinton machine was so befuddled by Trump that they missed background research on his running mate. Had this story come out in early October, it might have made some impact on the "incompetent Hillary" narrative the Republicans were using.
I'm honestly surprised we're only hearing about this now.
This isn't the first we're hearing about it. People brought up time and time and time again that a great many politicians are conducting business on private email servers/accounts to avoid FOIA requests.
It just didn't matter, because Clinton bad. It's just that easy to explain.
You're conflating...
Indiana law didn't prohibit it in any way, shape or form.
Nor did he ever handle anything that were 'classified'.
Whereas Clinton and her staff most definitely did.
Automatically Appended Next Post: LordofHats wrote:I personally just love how Trump bellowed all day and night during the election about how the FBI was investigating Clinton, and now questions if the President of the United States can get wiretaps for an political candidate.
Personally, maybe his staff should give him the information on Area-51 and extraterrestrial suprah-secret stuff... and watch Trump tweet it out.
No one would believe him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 03:56:50
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Fixture of Dakka
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Honestly, if a presidential candidate can be recorded bragging about assaulting women, and not only win, but have a very large number of women vote for him.....I really don't believe how all these other issues lately are really going to matter.
Though it's shocking how crippled and distracted each side is, and can be, by the other. Especially the extremes. It's always been true, but the instant transfer of info is ramping things up to crazy levels.
I mean, lately I am hearing how this fuss is all a crazy 5-levels deep plot by Obama and his followers, sometimes calling them the "Shadow Government" and the like. Hell, I even heard a couple radio hosts talking about how this is all being run out of the Obama's house, like what? Are the extreme Democrats the frigging Order of the Phoenix operating out of Sirius' mansion against the Ministry?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 08:08:19
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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AegisGrimm wrote:Honestly, if a presidential candidate can be recorded bragging about assaulting women, and not only win, but have a very large number of women vote for him.....I really don't believe how all these other issues lately are really going to matter.
Though it's shocking how crippled and distracted each side is, and can be, by the other. Especially the extremes. It's always been true, but the instant transfer of info is ramping things up to crazy levels.
I mean, lately I am hearing how this fuss is all a crazy 5-levels deep plot by Obama and his followers, sometimes calling them the "Shadow Government" and the like. Hell, I even heard a couple radio hosts talking about how this is all being run out of the Obama's house, like what? Are the extreme Democrats the frigging Order of the Phoenix operating out of Sirius' mansion against the Ministry?
Nah, they are like the trio living in their magical tent, after all, Voldemort has already won.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 08:48:56
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Kanluwen wrote: Breotan wrote:As for the Pence email scandal, it goes to show how the Clinton machine was so befuddled by Trump that they missed background research on his running mate. Had this story come out in early October, it might have made some impact on the "incompetent Hillary" narrative the Republicans were using.
I'm honestly surprised we're only hearing about this now.
This isn't the first we're hearing about it. People brought up time and time and time again that a great many politicians are conducting business on private email servers/accounts to avoid FOIA requests.
It just didn't matter, because Clinton bad. It's just that easy to explain.
I don't think it's just that. Clinton totally fails in the debates IMO. She treated them as a stand to push her message whilst Trump was stood next to her. I was told at the time that's the way the US system is, that candidates try and be nice to each other. Trump didn't follow those rules and won people over. IMO what she needed to do was watch some of the debates in the UK Houses of Parliament. Trump would have been savaged by a U.K. politician and made to look a total fool. Yes, some people would not have liked it, and some people would have followed the "nasty woman" narrative, but at least she could have walked away and said "I at least exposed him for the fool he was. The American still chose the cool". Instead she played nice, smiled at him and let gaffs and lies slip. He smiled but didn't give her the same courtesy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 10:59:15
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837991759045079040
Just out: The same Russian Ambassador that met Jeff Sessions visited the Obama White House 22 times, and 4 times last year alone.
uh huh.
Does he know what an ambassador does ?
Quite why the USA decided to elect Al Bundy as POTUS is something future historians are going to puzzle over for years.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 11:21:15
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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It feeds in to the narrative. Most people are will say "ye, and? That's an ambassador" but there is a small group of people that will say "look. Look at what Obama did! Working with Russia." The noise they make is enough to keep the narrative going online and in the pro Trump media, which blends in to background noise of unsubstantiated allegations which keeps many more people on the "no smoke without fire" argument. They just throw enough negative stuff out that people can't possibly refute each one, but the anti trump people are falling for it. Rather than attacking trump they get caught up in the impossible task of debunking the rubbish coming out. You can't prove a negative. Once you produce enough evidence to show it is rubbish Trump and his supporters are already on to something else.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 11:25:54
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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reds8n wrote:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/837991759045079040
Just out: The same Russian Ambassador that met Jeff Sessions visited the Obama White House 22 times, and 4 times last year alone.
uh huh.
Does he know what an ambassador does ?
Quite why the USA decided to elect Al Bundy as POTUS is something future historians are going to puzzle over for years.
Why Trump is president is already largely known. It's a combination of decades of Republican policy, white supremacy, economic stagnation, the Democrats picking the worse candidate and Clinton failing to campaign properly out of arrogance. It's only puzzling to the ideologically blinded.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 11:38:44
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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But most of that "evidence" will be destroyed either during the war or in the riots afterwards.
And then there was THE HARROWING .
and I can't see the talking apes or mutant cockroach overlords caring one way or another.
Least we'll know his key thoughts with regards to The Apprentice
..one never knew you could get so much exercise from shaking your head in disbelief.
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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 13:11:29
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Steve steveson wrote: Kanluwen wrote: Breotan wrote:As for the Pence email scandal, it goes to show how the Clinton machine was so befuddled by Trump that they missed background research on his running mate. Had this story come out in early October, it might have made some impact on the "incompetent Hillary" narrative the Republicans were using. I'm honestly surprised we're only hearing about this now.
This isn't the first we're hearing about it. People brought up time and time and time again that a great many politicians are conducting business on private email servers/accounts to avoid FOIA requests. It just didn't matter, because Clinton bad. It's just that easy to explain. I don't think it's just that. Clinton totally fails in the debates IMO. She treated them as a stand to push her message whilst Trump was stood next to her. I was told at the time that's the way the US system is, that candidates try and be nice to each other. Trump didn't follow those rules and won people over. IMO what she needed to do was watch some of the debates in the UK Houses of Parliament. Trump would have been savaged by a U.K. politician and made to look a total fool. Yes, some people would not have liked it, and some people would have followed the "nasty woman" narrative, but at least she could have walked away and said "I at least exposed him for the fool he was. The American still chose the cool". Instead she played nice, smiled at him and let gaffs and lies slip. He smiled but didn't give her the same courtesy.
She DID call him on "gaffs and lies" during some of the debates. The problem though is that engaging him or not engaging him, it wouldn't matter. If she engaged him in his buffoonery? It lends an air of "she's treating this seriously" to his nonsense. If she didn't engage him? "She's not taking him seriously" or "She thinks she deserves the Presidency"(that's not even a joke. Several of my neighbors tried to argue that stance during the debates when she didn't respond to some of his statements) To the people who voted for him? It. Doesn't. Matter. The only thing that mattered was that it was "their" candidate. Automatically Appended Next Post: whembly wrote: Kanluwen wrote: Breotan wrote:As for the Pence email scandal, it goes to show how the Clinton machine was so befuddled by Trump that they missed background research on his running mate. Had this story come out in early October, it might have made some impact on the "incompetent Hillary" narrative the Republicans were using. I'm honestly surprised we're only hearing about this now.
This isn't the first we're hearing about it. People brought up time and time and time again that a great many politicians are conducting business on private email servers/accounts to avoid FOIA requests. It just didn't matter, because Clinton bad. It's just that easy to explain.
You're conflating... Indiana law didn't prohibit it in any way, shape or form.
You're deflecting. Government officials aren't supposed to conduct business on private email servers/accounts. Whether they're state, local, federal, whatever. They have government email accounts for a reason. It's so that--in the case of someone like Pencey here, the state government's servers would capture the emails and save them for recordkeeping. Nor did he ever handle anything that were 'classified'. Whereas Clinton and her staff most definitely did.
About that... Mike Pence Wikipedia entry wrote:As governor, Pence routinely used a personal AOL email account to conduct official business, according to public records. In 2016, Hackers compromised the account and used it to send fraudulent emails in an attempt to obtain money from Pence's contacts. While this use is not prohibited by Indiana law, some of the emails discussed sensitive matters and homeland security issues.[131] In March 2017, after Pence had become vice president, the State of Indiana released 29 emails to media outlets that had made public records requests, but withheld an undisclosed number of other emails, saying that they were deliberative or advisory and thus exempt from public disclosure.[131] Cybersecurity experts and government transparency advocates were surprised by Pence's use of a personal email account to conduct public business, given Pence's past attacks on Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while U.S. secretary of state.[131] So. He used it to conduct OFFICIAL BUSINESS. It got hacked, and hackers used it to try to obtain money from Pencey's contacts. Isn't that what all your whining about Clinton was? That she used personal email, which wasn't "secure" to "conduct official business" and to "cover up" her contacts with entities seeking aid/money from her? Reference 131 is this news article from the Indy Star
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 13:23:08
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 15:58:28
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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..one never knew you could get so much exercise from shaking your head in disbelief.
reds8n, just you wait until the A50 negotiations start. You're going to need surgery to keep your head on your shoulders.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 17:13:05
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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reds8n wrote:
Quite why the USA decided to elect Al Bundy as POTUS is something future historians are going to puzzle over for years.
Better Al Bundy than Ted Bundy.
We've also got those Branch Dildonian Bundys, too.
And he's demanding Congress investigate Obama's wire-tapping as part of the Russian investigations.
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One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 20:19:52
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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I thought Janet Reno took care of those guys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 20:24:22
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Catskills in NYS
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/us/politics/trump-vehicle-emissions-regulation.html?_r=0
Under the Obama administration’s vehicle fuel economy standards, American automakers were locked into nearly a decade of trying to design and build ever more sophisticated fuel-efficient vehicles, including electric and hybrid models. The nation’s largest auto companies told Mr. Trump last month that they found those technical requirements too burdensome.
Those poor, poor, multi-million dollar compaiens. They couldn't possible not make the biggest profits possible, anything else would be too burdensome.
The E.P.A. will also begin legal proceedings to revoke a waiver for California that was allowing the state to enforce the tougher tailpipe standards for its drivers.
I'm sure the party of State's Rights will object to this attack.
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kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 21:10:45
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Co'tor Shas wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/03/us/politics/trump-vehicle-emissions-regulation.html?_r=0
Under the Obama administration’s vehicle fuel economy standards, American automakers were locked into nearly a decade of trying to design and build ever more sophisticated fuel-efficient vehicles, including electric and hybrid models. The nation’s largest auto companies told Mr. Trump last month that they found those technical requirements too burdensome.
Those poor, poor, multi-million dollar compaiens. They couldn't possible not make the biggest profits possible, anything else would be too burdensome.
The E.P.A. will also begin legal proceedings to revoke a waiver for California that was allowing the state to enforce the tougher tailpipe standards for its drivers.
I'm sure the party of State's Rights will object to this attack.
They only care when it is their precious guns or allowing women to make decisions, didn't you know that?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 22:30:34
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Who cares what standards Trump mandates for US car manufacturers? Most people want efficient vehicles, and that is what the US companies will make if they plan to stay in the game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 22:46:59
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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So... about the Russian connection... something doesn't sit well...
Like the Nate Sliver (see Ouze, I got his name right!) of the world, the networks, Putin, every foreign government AND EVEN MOI assumed that Hillary Clinton would win the election.
Putin (really Russian Intelligence) didn't hack Podesta's & the DNC emails to install Trumpo, but rather, to tarnish the legitimacy of PRESIDENT HIllary Clinton. That makes more sense.
Trumpo's actual policies so far:
-Trumpo has yet to advocated to removed Russian sanctions...
-Trumpo challenges to other NATO nation to spend their 2% in defense...
-Trumpo wants the US to build more nukes to be the top dawg of the world...
-Trumpo wants to rebuild the US Military! Moar operational ships... Moar operation Carrier fleets (from 10 to 12!).
These lends zero credibiility to the idea that Trumpo connived with Putie-poo...
It's obvious that Putie-poo thrived on the predicable restraint of the Obama administration, but Trumpo's unpredictability and his alpha male competitiveness gotta be worrisome for Putie-poo...
It's seems that key Pro-Obama people in the bureaucracy received intelligence information on Trumpo and his orbit... potentially leaking excerpts of it to give appearances that there were compiracy. The full transcripts were reviewed by the FBI and found them routine & innocuous.
Now, the talk shows / media are all up in a tizzy over Trumpo's tweet that he believed the Obama admin wiretaped him at Trumpo Tower.
A few things come to mind:
1) We've known since last October (maybe in the summer), that at the very least, people in Trumpo's orbit were being monitored.
2) From what I've read, the summer FISA request had Trumpo's name on the request... and the Judge denied. In October, FISA granted the warrant targeting 3 Trumpo's campaign staff (Manafort, Stone and Page).
3) The way the drip drip drip leaking from anti-Trumpo folks in the executive branch, it's amounted to nothing other than to feed into this notion that Trumpo is this Russian Manchurian Candidate.
4) I also want to add that FISA can be used to surveille ANYONE (thanks to Bushs' Patriot Act!)... so, it isn't illegal as far as a I know. But, if it's true that the Obama administration did surveille Trumpo... that'll be embarrasing...
5) However, knowing Trumpo, hell blow up on this and try to make this a thing. So... who knows.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 23:02:37
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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There is plenty of evidence that the Trump Campaign was supported and helped by the Kremlin.
Whether this was done with Trump's team's connivance is another matter. Trump may be simply a "useful fool".
Certainly the affair should be properly investigated. It is hard to believe that however Republican any Trump supporter may be, they actually would prefer a president who is a puppet for an inimical foreign power, just as long as he is nominally Republican.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 23:18:22
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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The House Commiittee has already stated that they'll be investigating Russian interference during the election. Trump, however, is demanding the House to investigate the Obama administration over the FISA warrant. Which is a bit weird, I think, because he's the President... couldn't he use his office to look at the ins & outs of that FISA application? (maybe he can't... so, I'm doing some research to see what he can/cannot do).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 23:28:47
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Do we really need to sink to the maturity level of "Putie-poo" in this thread?
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Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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Peregrine wrote:Do we really need to sink to the maturity level of "Putie-poo" in this thread?
Why... I don't like him. Got a better name?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/05 23:55:10
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Putin. You know, his actual name as mature adults use in discussion of politics, not whatever the latest joke Your Team has come up with.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Peregrine wrote:
Putin. You know, his actual name as mature adults use in discussion of politics, not whatever the latest joke Your Team has come up with.
If we're being mature and all, does that mean we can't call Trump "Dorito Mussolini" anymore? Because honestly, I don't want to lose that one. It's solid gold.
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Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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squidhills wrote: Peregrine wrote:
Putin. You know, his actual name as mature adults use in discussion of politics, not whatever the latest joke Your Team has come up with.
If we're being mature and all, does that mean we can't call Trump "Dorito Mussolini" anymore? Because honestly, I don't want to lose that one. It's solid gold.
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I prefer Cheeto Benito myself.
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kronk wrote:Every pizza is a personal sized pizza if you try hard enough and believe in yourself.
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Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Kilkrazy wrote:Who cares what standards Trump mandates for US car manufacturers? Most people want efficient vehicles, and that is what the US companies will make if they plan to stay in the game.
SUV and truck sales in the USA would beg to differ.
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Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Breotan wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:Who cares what standards Trump mandates for US car manufacturers? Most people want efficient vehicles, and that is what the US companies will make if they plan to stay in the game.
SUV and truck sales in the USA would beg to differ.
Trucks and SUVs have the same fuel efficiency they had 10 or 20 years ago?
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Breotan wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:Who cares what standards Trump mandates for US car manufacturers? Most people want efficient vehicles, and that is what the US companies will make if they plan to stay in the game.
SUV and truck sales in the USA would beg to differ.
1) Inefficient SUV and Truck sales declined when gas rose to $3+ per gallon. They rose when gas prices dropped. They will drop again when gas prices rise again.
2) Many new vehicles do sell well, and many new vehicles have very good fuel efficiency. My 2015 Subaru Forester gets 1.6 MPG less than my 2011Ford Fusion.
3) There is always a small market for people who want big muscle engines who don't care about fuel efficiency. But manufacturers will shoot themselves in the foot if they abandon fuel efficiency.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/06 01:38:42
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Co'tor Shas wrote:squidhills wrote: Peregrine wrote:
Putin. You know, his actual name as mature adults use in discussion of politics, not whatever the latest joke Your Team has come up with.
If we're being mature and all, does that mean we can't call Trump "Dorito Mussolini" anymore? Because honestly, I don't want to lose that one. It's solid gold.
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I prefer Cheeto Benito myself.
I prefer "45", or "Trump". Silly names remove threat. Better remain clinical.
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
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