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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 03:07:29
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'm getting on a bit myself. Maybe I'm getting cynical, but you and I are not that naïve to think that the CIA doesn't spy on the US public, despite what the law and the constitution says...
The CIA absolutely, positively does not spy on the US public. At all. Ever.
That's what the NSA is for
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 03:31:47
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Zealous Sin-Eater
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sebster wrote:
You've answered your own question. The CIA leak showed us stuff we accept the CIA has the capability and support. The power of the CIA to use smartphones and new TVs to listen in on suspected terrorists is something people are not only not bothered about, it's stuff they're largely supportive of.
You're bothered by this because you assume this stuff is being used illegally, against US citizens. While that might be true, the leak does nothing to prove it. So with no new evidence on the thing that people are actually concerned about, why the outrage?
A large amount of the exploits reported are zero-day.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 04:02:16
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Here's a table that shows what Republicans are trying to do with their healthcare reform, and also why it is so very stupid. They've looked to spread the subsidy across more income brackets (the original plan didn't have income reducing the support at all, you could make a million dollars a year and still be entitled to the $4,000 subsidy). To do this, they've had to massively reduce the subsidy support for people on low incomes. This means that someone on $75k will be able to more easily afford premiums that they already would have been able to afford, while someone on $35k who is currently only able to afford their premium because of ACA will find it much more difficult to afford.
And remember under this new scheme the elderly can be paying up to five times as much for their insurance compared to the standard rate charged (under ACA it is three times). And on top of that there's no mandate anymore, only a very weak 30% premium hike for 12 months for buying insurance with a pre-existing condition. Which means lots of low income people will drop out because they can't afford the premiums with much reduced subsidies, who will then come back on the system when they get sick. Hello death spiral.
The death spiral here couldn't be more obvious. It cannot possibly have taken 7 years for Republicans to come up with a plan that fails so badly in the one major area you cannot let these bills fail - death spirals. Something very strange is going on here. Was this bill written with no interest in it actually working, because Ryan knew it would never get up, but just needed to show he'd delivered a Republican alternative bill? Or is this a case of literally the best they can do, faced with needing to release something, and with so many competing interests, this nonsense was the best they could come up with? Or do they honestly just not understand how terrible this bill is?
What's that got to do with what I wrote?
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 04:09:54
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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sebster wrote:Here's a table that shows what Republicans are trying to do with their healthcare reform, and also why it is so very stupid. They've looked to spread the subsidy across more income brackets (the original plan didn't have income reducing the support at all, you could make a million dollars a year and still be entitled to the $4,000 subsidy). To do this, they've had to massively reduce the subsidy support for people on low incomes. This means that someone on $75k will be able to more easily afford premiums that they already would have been able to afford, while someone on $35k who is currently only able to afford their premium because of ACA will find it much more difficult to afford.
And remember under this new scheme the elderly can be paying up to five times as much for their insurance compared to the standard rate charged (under ACA it is three times). And on top of that there's no mandate anymore, only a very weak 30% premium hike for 12 months for buying insurance with a pre-existing condition. Which means lots of low income people will drop out because they can't afford the premiums with much reduced subsidies, who will then come back on the system when they get sick. Hello death spiral.
The death spiral here couldn't be more obvious. It cannot possibly have taken 7 years for Republicans to come up with a plan that fails so badly in the one major area you cannot let these bills fail - death spirals. Something very strange is going on here. Was this bill written with no interest in it actually working, because Ryan knew it would never get up, but just needed to show he'd delivered a Republican alternative bill? Or is this a case of literally the best they can do, faced with needing to release something, and with so many competing interests, this nonsense was the best they could come up with? Or do they honestly just not understand how terrible this bill is?
What's that got to do with what I wrote?
Maybe we will finally see the heat death of the garbage pile that is the current GOP
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 04:27:55
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Ustrello wrote:Maybe we will finally see the heat death of the garbage pile that is the current GOP
Or Trump and the Republicans will get booted from power, where they'll return to their defensive stance of obstructionism, which will let them maintain their 60 million reliable voters, meanwhile Democrats will again get frustrated that Democrats can't just magically overcome Republican blocks, and also many voters will be disillusioned that Democrats aren't as left wing as they'd like (or maybe in a twist next time around, more centrist voters will be disillusioned by a party that's too left wing for them). This will open the door for Republicans to come back in to power and the cycle will repeat.
It will break at some point, nothing lasts forever. And in politics especially, where elections are only every couple of years and presidential elections only every 4, then you can a lot of underlying changes over the course of 3 or 4 election cycles. But exactly how this will break is anyone's guess.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 04:43:39
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
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sebster wrote: Ustrello wrote:Maybe we will finally see the heat death of the garbage pile that is the current GOP
Or Trump and the Republicans will get booted from power, where they'll return to their defensive stance of obstructionism, which will let them maintain their 60 million reliable voters, meanwhile Democrats will again get frustrated that Democrats can't just magically overcome Republican blocks, and also many voters will be disillusioned that Democrats aren't as left wing as they'd like (or maybe in a twist next time around, more centrist voters will be disillusioned by a party that's too left wing for them). This will open the door for Republicans to come back in to power and the cycle will repeat.
It will break at some point, nothing lasts forever. And in politics especially, where elections are only every couple of years and presidential elections only every 4, then you can a lot of underlying changes over the course of 3 or 4 election cycles. But exactly how this will break is anyone's guess.
I'd figured that it'd start to break during Trump's administration...
Especially if the GOP don't repeal the ACA.... I don't see how the GOP maintains 60+ million votes if they don't follow through with that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 04:57:30
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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AARP estimates that a 64 year old on $15,000 a year will have an $8,400 increase in their premium under the new Republican plan. This stuff is amazing. Reading through so many people, from the left and the right, pick apart the countless feth ups in this proposal is like when a kid tries to give a book report on a book they clearly haven't read, and the teacher asks question after question, watching this kid unravel in their own bs. It's that feeling where it's funny, but there's also a real cringe factor.
EDIT - And here's another one. Because ACA bases its subsidy on income and the cost of insurance in a market, rural areas receive a much bigger subsidy because healthcare is more expensive there. The new Republican plan has a much smaller subsidy that is influenced by age, but doesn't account for the cost of insurance in that market, and is only impacted by age at much higher levels of income. So a 60 year old living in Mobile, Alabama, earning $20k currently gets a $13,235 tax credit for their insurance, making their plan cost close to nothing and therefore be affordable despite their low income. Under the new Republican plan that person's plan gets the maximum $4,000 subsidy. The other roughly $10,000 will have to come out of their $20,000 income. Ryan and Trump are trying to claim this kind of thing won't push people out of the insurance market.
whembly wrote:I'd figured that it'd start to break during Trump's administration...
Especially if the GOP don't repeal the ACA.... I don't see how the GOP maintains 60+ million votes if they don't follow through with that.
Have you seen what they're trying to replace it with? How can you keep 60 million votes by inflicting a disaster like AHCA on people?
Republicans have spent the last 7 years telling the rich that they'll cut ACA and get rid of all its nasty taxes, telling the middle class that they'll cut ACA and its individual mandate but don't worry the guaranteed coverage is here to stay, and telling the poor that don't worry you'll still get your affordable coverage. Somehow 60 million people didn't notice the obvious bs. Somehow Republicans never planned ahead for what happened when they actually had to deliver on their bs.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 05:05:41
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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While stubbornness and foolishness are spread across the world we in America have some of the best stubborn fools the world has to offer.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 05:27:26
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Ahtman wrote:While stubbornness and foolishness are spread across the world we in America have some of the best stubborn fools the world has to offer.
Is there a term for people who have to actually suffer the negative consequence of a thing before they realise its bad, no matter how clearly it might be explained to them? I'm thinking it's like how most kids you can just tell them not to touch something because it's hot, but there'll be that one kid that just has to touch it to learn for himself. Here we've got 60 million voters that you just couldn't explain to them 'if you want guaranteed coverage and can't get to single payer, the ACA model is what you have to have, what Republicans are talking about is crazy and dishonest', but 60 million voters just couldn't take that answer, they had vote in Republicans to learn the lesson for themselves.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 05:36:49
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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I, personally, think it is insanity to assume these 60 million people will have learned some sort of lesson from this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 05:38:19
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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Dreadwinter wrote:I, personally, think it is insanity to assume these 60 million people will have learned some sort of lesson from this.
If people can vote for a dude that has sexual assaulted women is on record talking about it, possibly raped a child, disrespects military families and POWs to name a few I am pretty sure they would be fine voting for Satan himself
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 05:41:32
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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sebster wrote:How can you keep 60 million votes by inflicting a disaster like AHCA on people?
BUILD A WALL. ABORTION IS MURDER. PROTECT OUR BATHROOMS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 05:46:47
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Dreadwinter wrote:I, personally, think it is insanity to assume these 60 million people will have learned some sort of lesson from this.
Because I have family that is uber religious and uber conservative, I can confirm this is true as of right now. Hell, not 10 minutes ago, I had to resist the urge to disparaginly comment on a view a cousin posted of Saint Ronnie (and I don't mean Dio) talking out his arse.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 06:00:01
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Dreadwinter wrote:I, personally, think it is insanity to assume these 60 million people will have learned some sort of lesson from this.
Probably. Though there's a fair bit of hope that around 5 to 10 million disaffected Democrats have learnt a big lesson - you don't have to love everything or even all that much about the Democrats, you just have to be honest about what the Republican party is. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Now there's budget papers floating aroudn that suggest Trump is planning on paying for the wall by cutting funding for the Coast Guard among other things. It turns out border defense is so important that Trump is willing to cut border defense to fund it.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 06:10:32
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Zealous Sin-Eater
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sebster wrote:Here's a table that shows what Republicans are trying to do with their healthcare reform, and also why it is so very stupid. They've looked to spread the subsidy across more income brackets (the original plan didn't have income reducing the support at all, you could make a million dollars a year and still be entitled to the $4,000 subsidy). To do this, they've had to massively reduce the subsidy support for people on low incomes. This means that someone on $75k will be able to more easily afford premiums that they already would have been able to afford, while someone on $35k who is currently only able to afford their premium because of ACA will find it much more difficult to afford.
And remember under this new scheme the elderly can be paying up to five times as much for their insurance compared to the standard rate charged (under ACA it is three times). And on top of that there's no mandate anymore, only a very weak 30% premium hike for 12 months for buying insurance with a pre-existing condition. Which means lots of low income people will drop out because they can't afford the premiums with much reduced subsidies, who will then come back on the system when they get sick. Hello death spiral.
The death spiral here couldn't be more obvious. It cannot possibly have taken 7 years for Republicans to come up with a plan that fails so badly in the one major area you cannot let these bills fail - death spirals. Something very strange is going on here. Was this bill written with no interest in it actually working, because Ryan knew it would never get up, but just needed to show he'd delivered a Republican alternative bill? Or is this a case of literally the best they can do, faced with needing to release something, and with so many competing interests, this nonsense was the best they could come up with? Or do they honestly just not understand how terrible this bill is?
What's that got to do with what I wrote?
You asked where the outrage came from.
So much of the CIA's malware being zero-day means almost certainly that the CIA does not only spy on american citizen, but they also steal from american citizen and tech corporations.
It also means with absolute certainty that the CIA is perfectly comfortable with allowing their own citizen to be spied upon, as long as they also have the capacity to spy on others.
There is, at the very least, place for concern.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 06:20:31
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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At some point one starts to actually wish social Darwinism was an actual thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 06:32:19
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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No, I wasn't. I was giving a likely explanation for why the outrage is a lot less than DINLT thinks there should be.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 07:10:34
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Peregrine wrote: sebster wrote:How can you keep 60 million votes by inflicting a disaster like AHCA on people?
BUILD A WALL. ABORTION IS MURDER. PROTECT OUR BATHROOMS.
Did you know that if you shoot and kill a pregnant woman it counts as a double homicide? Or is that only for 3rd trimester shootings.
Also you forgot to further the whole Mike Pence's Grand Imperial Army of Christ schtick. Are you feeling okay?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 07:14:29
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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You do realize there is a difference between somebody else ending a pregnancy against the wishes of the mother and the mother ending the pregnancy herself because it is her body and choice?
Nah, never mind. We have been over this time and time again. I already know the answer.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 07:15:25
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Murder is murder, I don't see the difference.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 07:17:32
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Yeah, some people have issues with context.
Called it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 07:19:25
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Never Forget Isstvan!
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Where in the bible does it say that abortion is wrong again, Mark 9:47 right?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 07:31:51
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Just Tony wrote:Did you know that if you shoot and kill a pregnant woman it counts as a double homicide? Or is that only for 3rd trimester shootings.
Allow me to introduce you to the concept of a "legal fiction". It's where something isn't actually true, but we all pretend it is in court so things work out the right way. You know, like how corporations are considered people in many ways even though they clearly aren't living humans. In the case of shooting a pregnant woman treating it as a double homicide is an easy way to add on a bunch of years in prison to reflect the added emotional pain of killing a someday-child that the parents probably wanted. That doesn't mean that the fetus is treated as a full person in other contexts.
Also you forgot to further the whole Mike Pence's Grand Imperial Army of Christ schtick. Are you feeling okay?
Yeah, let's just pretend that the idea of the republican party pandering to right-wing Christians and their anti-LGBT beliefs is just some joke about Pence's army of Christ. We'll just conveniently ignore their opposition to gay marriage (and desire to overturn it), republicans passing ridiculous bathroom defense laws with awful transphobic comments in justification, etc. Nothing at all reasonable about talking about those things...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 07:57:34
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Murder is the criminal killing of a human being. "Murder" is a legal category, not a moral one.
You are more than free to argue that abortion should be criminal, but as long as it isn't, it simply isn't murder.
Also, courts gives rights in absentia to the future person of a fœtus in case of third-person abortions/killings pretty much everywhere, regardless of the general or legal opinion on the personhood of fœtus.
Probably just because it's perceived as a pretty fething heinous thing to do, and a double dose of 1st degree murder better represents the appropriate punishment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 08:07:04
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Just Tony wrote:Did you know that if you shoot and kill a pregnant woman it counts as a double homicide? Or is that only for 3rd trimester shootings.
Wow. So Peregrine comments that Republicans will turn out and vote no matter how big of a disaster Republicans might be because of wedge issue nonsense like abortion, a border wall and transgender issues. You respond to this by ignoring the greater conversation about the disastrous new Republican healthcare proposal, and instead try to drag the conversation back to abortion.
It's like you're trying to parody the right wing, or something.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 08:28:02
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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To divert back to the CIA for a moment, given the widely-known vulnerabilities of all sort of digital equipment, it is hardly surprising the CIA should find flaws in them. It isn't the CIA's job to debug commercial software, though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 09:05:06
Subject: US Politics: 2017 Edition
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Well thats easy
Republicans dont care because they support anything to do with the military complex (Freedom isn´t free folks!)
Liberals love the alphabet soup agencies now that they can use them to delude themselves that Russia stole the election from them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 09:30:11
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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sebster wrote: Just Tony wrote:Did you know that if you shoot and kill a pregnant woman it counts as a double homicide? Or is that only for 3rd trimester shootings.
Wow. So Peregrine comments that Republicans will turn out and vote no matter how big of a disaster Republicans might be because of wedge issue nonsense like abortion, a border wall and transgender issues. You respond to this by ignoring the greater conversation about the disastrous new Republican healthcare proposal, and instead try to drag the conversation back to abortion.
It's like you're trying to parody the right wing, or something.
No, it's like the only thing he seemingly cares about. He shows up once a week pounces for Trump or dead babies or whatever, and then disappears for a week. His name is Tony. Just tony. Automatically Appended Next Post: Gordon Shumway wrote: sebster wrote: Just Tony wrote:Did you know that if you shoot and kill a pregnant woman it counts as a double homicide? Or is that only for 3rd trimester shootings.
Wow. So Peregrine comments that Republicans will turn out and vote no matter how big of a disaster Republicans might be because of wedge issue nonsense like abortion, a border wall and transgender issues. You respond to this by ignoring the greater conversation about the disastrous new Republican healthcare proposal, and instead try to drag the conversation back to abortion.
It's like you're trying to parody the right wing, or something.
No, it's like the only thing he seemingly cares about. He shows up once a week pounces for Trump or dead babies or whatever, and then disappears for a week. His name is Tony. Just tony.
I think he does it in between cooks. Shhhh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 09:48:08
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Gordon Shumway wrote: sebster wrote: Just Tony wrote:Did you know that if you shoot and kill a pregnant woman it counts as a double homicide? Or is that only for 3rd trimester shootings.
Wow. So Peregrine comments that Republicans will turn out and vote no matter how big of a disaster Republicans might be because of wedge issue nonsense like abortion, a border wall and transgender issues. You respond to this by ignoring the greater conversation about the disastrous new Republican healthcare proposal, and instead try to drag the conversation back to abortion.
It's like you're trying to parody the right wing, or something.
No, it's like the only thing he seemingly cares about. He shows up once a week pounces for Trump or dead babies or whatever, and then disappears for a week. His name is Tony. Just tony.
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Gordon Shumway wrote: sebster wrote: Just Tony wrote:Did you know that if you shoot and kill a pregnant woman it counts as a double homicide? Or is that only for 3rd trimester shootings.
Wow. So Peregrine comments that Republicans will turn out and vote no matter how big of a disaster Republicans might be because of wedge issue nonsense like abortion, a border wall and transgender issues. You respond to this by ignoring the greater conversation about the disastrous new Republican healthcare proposal, and instead try to drag the conversation back to abortion.
It's like you're trying to parody the right wing, or something.
No, it's like the only thing he seemingly cares about. He shows up once a week pounces for Trump or dead babies or whatever, and then disappears for a week. His name is Tony. Just tony.
I think he does it in between cooks. Shhhh.
Did you just quote yourself?
So, why do the Republicans think ACA the shittier will go over well? They'd probably win more people over by improving t rather than trying to strangle it in the crib. Then they can take the credit for his legacy as a parting FU.
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warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/09 10:07:35
Subject: Re:US Politics: 2017 Edition
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sebster wrote: Just Tony wrote:Did you know that if you shoot and kill a pregnant woman it counts as a double homicide? Or is that only for 3rd trimester shootings.
Wow. So Peregrine comments that Republicans will turn out and vote no matter how big of a disaster Republicans might be because of wedge issue nonsense like abortion, a border wall and transgender issues. You respond to this by ignoring the greater conversation about the disastrous new Republican healthcare proposal, and instead try to drag the conversation back to abortion.
It's like you're trying to parody the right wing, or something.
I think it's perfect and exactly why if you really think the Republicans are going to be punished at the polls for anything they do, you're naive at best. They can do functionally everything they want, or nothing, and as long as they make the right noises, they're going to keep getting the same crowd pulling those levers, no matter what. None of those coal jobs came back? PLANNED PARENTHOOD WARBLGARBL.
ISIL still not defeated? IMMIGRANTS! The same people who were outraged about the IRS potentially acting in a political manner are totally OK with the FBI putting it's thumb on the scale, because MEN IN LADIES ROOMS. This country got exactly what it deserved in Donald Trump, a president who reflects our population at large: fat, stupid, angry, and dangerous.
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