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 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
There's a strange amount of informaiton you people know about on a group that is frankly not worth worrying about.

Ask a Jewish person what they feel about the idea of nazis keeping track of who they are and where they live and attempting to spread this information to other nazis.

Its not the Nazis the French Jews are bailing in fear from.


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 d-usa wrote:
White Supremacists are more dangerous than radical Islam and affect far more people in many more ways in the USA.

Proof please. How many thousands of people have the Nazis killed in the US? How many bars did they shoot up? Government functions? Attempts to blow up Times Square?

Many many thousands, and that's without including their impact on everyone in the US via human trafficking, drug trafficking, racketeering, and weapon smuggling. There is a reason why white supremacists outnumber radical islamists in our prison system.

White supremacists will affect you long before an Islamic terrorist will. But it's easier to keep us focused on the enemy outside rather than the enemy within.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/White-supremacist-prison-gang-steps-out-of-shadows-9230793.php

MS-13, the Nortenos or Cali Cartel would like to have a word with you.
You're arguing Nazis have killed thousands of people in the US...you'll have to freaking do better than a Chrinicle article on a...prison gang.


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 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats what happens when you don't send kids off to the coal mines when they are eight. They get all sorts of crazy ideas.

Black lung is much better. At least they die off early.

Think of the healthcare savings!*


*yes my grandpa, chose going to sea AS A CHILD rather than work in a coal mine. Wow.

I didn't know Latin gangs are radical Islamist now.

The truth remains the truth, even if you choose not to believe it.

White supremacists are much more likely to impact you than radical islamists.

 d-usa wrote:
I didn't know Latin gangs are radical Islamist now.

The truth remains the truth, even if you choose not to believe it.

White supremacists are much more likely to impact you than radical islamists.

You haven't cited the truth just an article on a prison gang. If you're going the prison gang route Nazi gangs are a minority in the West. Try harder.

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 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats what happens when you don't send kids off to the coal mines when they are eight. They get all sorts of crazy ideas.

Black lung is much better. At least they die off early.

Think of the healthcare savings!*


*yes my grandpa, chose going to sea AS A CHILD rather than work in a coal mine. Wow.

Ahh, if only to think what could have been.

Yah Nazi keeps getting thrown out there but they are not Nazis. They are sympathetic to Nazis but none of them claim Nazi.

Now they will claim National Socialist (which I know who was a Nazi) but in the modern context, that is a method to approach people who don't know they were one an the same. The other method is to identify as a white nationalist, generally speaking the method from there is to say there is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage (which could be reasonable if it didn't have an agenda attached). Then you throw in white genocide and echo tags and you can turn somebody to your point of view.

Royal Oak, MI had a bunch of kids chanting "build the wall" at latino kids. There is a good amount of info showing white supremacists tageting children (Nazimon Go initiative anybody?). An there is enough info to show child are picking it up.

The internet's age of detached reality has had more effect on kids who now grow up in it than me who didn't own a computer until I was 23.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Yah Nazi keeps getting thrown out there but they are not Nazis. They are sympathetic to Nazis but none of them claim Nazi.

What they say they stand for doesn't have to be what they actually stand for, as you go on to describe. Many nazis won't say they're nazis because of the reaction this would get but they're still nazis.

 d-usa wrote:
I didn't know Latin gangs are radical Islamist now.

The truth remains the truth, even if you choose not to believe it.

White supremacists are much more likely to impact you than radical islamists.

As somebody who has worked in a State prison system, I can tell you that so-called "white supremacist" prison gangs (like the Aryan Brotherhood) are no more white supremacist than the Dali Lama. It's just like the pseudo-mystical, Afro-centric, black supremacist garbage spouted by groups like the Nation of Islam or United Blood Nation. It's all a smokescreen and recruitment tool. It's also used to hide the fact that that they are criminal enterprises driven by money and greed rather than ideology. Actual white supremacists who end up in prison often find this out the hard way, and end up sorely disappointed.

And as somebody currently working in the federal prison system I can tell you that the number of white supremacists I deal with daily greatly outnumber the number of radical islamists.


And I will wager that the average white supremacist gang member is as ideologically driven as the average ISIS member.

 d-usa wrote:
And as somebody currently working in the federal prison system I can tell you that the number of white supremacists I deal with daily greatly outnumber the number of radical islamists.

And if you worked in the West they would be vastly outnumbered by the Latin gangs.

And I will wager that the average white supremacist gang member is as ideologically driven as the average ISIS member.

Really? Are they strapping suicide vests to children to waste the Latin Kings?

Rosebuddy wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Yah Nazi keeps getting thrown out there but they are not Nazis. They are sympathetic to Nazis but none of them claim Nazi.

What they say they stand for doesn't have to be what they actually stand for, as you go on to describe. Many nazis won't say they're nazis because of the reaction this would get but they're still nazis.

The point is that because they don't identify as Nazis, it limits what kind of information you can find about what they are doing when you use Nazi. You can blanket term Nazi but it works against you as well as it proves your point.

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
And as somebody currently working in the federal prison system I can tell you that the number of white supremacists I deal with daily greatly outnumber the number of radical islamists.

And if you worked in the West they would be vastly outnumbered by the Latin gangs.

And I will wager that the average white supremacist gang member is as ideologically driven as the average ISIS member.

Really? Are they strapping suicide vests to children to waste the Latin Kings?

They don't need to or want to. They have lots and lots of guns and their motives are different Do you think "they" care any more or less about their kids? Do you think they think about them at all? It's a totally different theater of war and a totally different tactic.

>Better keep letting Muslims in until they become a problem because Nazis are bad.

Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

And yet their ideology is the one we all need to be wary of because it is becoming more mainstream than anything the Islamic groups have ever or will ever be here. Case in point- Mr. Bannon. Do you agre or disagree with Mr. Bannon's own particular worldview? Do you even know it?

Ask your GC, I bet they can point you in the general direction.

 d-usa wrote:
And as somebody currently working in the federal prison system I can tell you that the number of white supremacists I deal with daily greatly outnumber the number of radical islamists.


And I will wager that the average white supremacist gang member is as ideologically driven as the average ISIS member.

And none of what you posted has invalidate what I posted. You have your true believers in America's prisons. But the gangs, particularly the established gangs, are not ideologically driven. They are driven by money and making it illegally. Groups like the Aryan Brotherhood don't give a good goddamn about "white power".



Sooner or later. the "true believers" either have to compromise their beliefs to maintain the "safety" that a prison gangs offers, or they end up in protective custody because they turn on the gang for not being "ideologically pure".



And the reason you see more white supremacists in the Federal and State prison systems, is that actual Islamic fundies that join terrorist groups usually end up in special facilities (like the infamous Gitmo) depending on how much of the security threat they pose. Most of them don't end up on the mainline in the Federal pen. And they sure as hell don't go to a State big house. Islamic terrorists (or potential terrorists) are far more dangerous than your average hardcore bigot in the Klan or W.A.R.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

And yet their ideology is the one we all need to be wary of because it is becoming more mainstream than anything the Islamic groups have ever or will ever be here. Case in point- Mr. Bannon. Do you agre or disagree with Mr. Bannon's own particular worldview? Do you even know it?

Ask your GC, I bet they can point you in the general direction.

Do I know Breitbart's worldview? Nope.

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

Are we at war with Nazis again?

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

And yet their ideology is the one we all need to be wary of because it is becoming more mainstream than anything the Islamic groups have ever or will ever be here. Case in point- Mr. Bannon. Do you agre or disagree with Mr. Bannon's own particular worldview? Do you even know it?

Ask your GC, I bet they can point you in the general direction.

Do I know Breitbart's worldview? Nope.

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

No you don't. You don't even know the worldview of everyone in your neighbourhood, let alone a nation of millions half a world away.

I think you're also confusing the rising White Nationalism with the Skinhead, WLP's National Alliance of the 80's/90's/00's. A lot of these people are basically advocating race realism. The basic idea being that Western Civilisation is an expression of the European People, and that in order to maintain that level of civilisation their needs to be a majority of "white" people.

I personally think this is slowed because their is nothing inherently good about "muh precious white DNA", also being in Britain and being Scottish I'm also opposed to the label of "White".

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

And yet their ideology is the one we all need to be wary of because it is becoming more mainstream than anything the Islamic groups have ever or will ever be here. Case in point- Mr. Bannon. Do you agre or disagree with Mr. Bannon's own particular worldview? Do you even know it?

Ask your GC, I bet they can point you in the general direction.

Do I know Breitbart's worldview? Nope.

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

No you don't. You don't even know the worldview of everyone in your neighbourhood, let alone a nation of millions half a world away.

Yeah, I can't take a person seriously if they have no idea about their own county's chief political strategist how they can attempt to consider anybody else's in counties not our own. Figure out your own house before you start egging others'.

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

And yet their ideology is the one we all need to be wary of because it is becoming more mainstream than anything the Islamic groups have ever or will ever be here. Case in point- Mr. Bannon. Do you agre or disagree with Mr. Bannon's own particular worldview? Do you even know it?

Ask your GC, I bet they can point you in the general direction.

Do I know Breitbart's worldview? Nope.

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

No you don't. You don't even know the worldview of everyone in your neighbourhood, let alone a nation of millions half a world away.

Which nation of millions is a world away?


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 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

And yet their ideology is the one we all need to be wary of because it is becoming more mainstream than anything the Islamic groups have ever or will ever be here. Case in point- Mr. Bannon. Do you agre or disagree with Mr. Bannon's own particular worldview? Do you even know it?

Ask your GC, I bet they can point you in the general direction.

Do I know Breitbart's worldview? Nope.

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

No you don't. You don't even know the worldview of everyone in your neighbourhood, let alone a nation of millions half a world away.

Yeah, I can't take a person seriously if they have no idea about their own county's chief political strategist how they can attempt to consider anybody else's in counties not our own. Figure out your own house before you start egging others'.

All I have heard is the leftwing attacks. Sorry, but since all Republicans are evil racist greedy idiots I can't get worked by unbiased sources. I don't read Breitbart often as its unserious.

And I could care less if you take me seriously. We're in the OT forum of a board discussing miniature gaming. its not exactly a priority for Dakka.

 Frazzled wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

And yet their ideology is the one we all need to be wary of because it is becoming more mainstream than anything the Islamic groups have ever or will ever be here. Case in point- Mr. Bannon. Do you agre or disagree with Mr. Bannon's own particular worldview? Do you even know it?

Ask your GC, I bet they can point you in the general direction.

Do I know Breitbart's worldview? Nope.

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

No you don't. You don't even know the worldview of everyone in your neighbourhood, let alone a nation of millions half a world away.

Which nation of millions is a world away?

Any one of the nations that the US is at war with, they are half a world away, and you claim to understand their world view.

 Frazzled wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

And yet their ideology is the one we all need to be wary of because it is becoming more mainstream than anything the Islamic groups have ever or will ever be here. Case in point- Mr. Bannon. Do you agre or disagree with Mr. Bannon's own particular worldview? Do you even know it?

Ask your GC, I bet they can point you in the general direction.

Do I know Breitbart's worldview? Nope.

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

No you don't. You don't even know the worldview of everyone in your neighbourhood, let alone a nation of millions half a world away.

Which nation of millions is a world away?

Oh come on Frazz, your own lazy grammar is not going to let you slip away into a humorous escapade. You were saying that you knew the worldview of other people/countries we are at war with. You don't even know our own country's worldview politically, by your own admission. Don't claim to know others' unless you understand your own. Otherwise you sound like an ignorant blowhard, and we both know yo aren't. Preemptive: No you aren't.

Which nations are the US at war with half a world away that I claim to understand their world view?

Except for Leichtenstein of course. Everyone knows the world view of the Great Eye...


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 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

And yet their ideology is the one we all need to be wary of because it is becoming more mainstream than anything the Islamic groups have ever or will ever be here. Case in point- Mr. Bannon. Do you agre or disagree with Mr. Bannon's own particular worldview? Do you even know it?

Ask your GC, I bet they can point you in the general direction.

Do I know Breitbart's worldview? Nope.

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

No you don't. You don't even know the worldview of everyone in your neighbourhood, let alone a nation of millions half a world away.

Which nation of millions is a world away?

Oh come on Frazz, your own lazy grammar is not going to let you slip away into a humorous escapade. You were saying that you knew the worldview of other people/countries we are at war with. You don't even know our own country's worldview politically, by your own admission. Don't claim to know others' unless you understand your own. Otherwise you sound like an ignorant blowhard, and we both know yo aren't. Preemptive: No you aren't.

you mean this?

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

Er...you mean ISIL? ISIL has proclaimed their worldview all over the internet...a caliphate following their interpretation of Islam which is a radicalized fundamentalist version most closely aligned to extremist Wahhabi visions-where their funding initially came from. its literally all over the internet.

 Frazzled wrote:
Which nations are the US at war with half a world away that I claim to understand their world view?

Except for Leichtenstein of course. Everyone knows the world view of the Great Eye...


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 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

And yet their ideology is the one we all need to be wary of because it is becoming more mainstream than anything the Islamic groups have ever or will ever be here. Case in point- Mr. Bannon. Do you agre or disagree with Mr. Bannon's own particular worldview? Do you even know it?

Ask your GC, I bet they can point you in the general direction.

Do I know Breitbart's worldview? Nope.

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

No you don't. You don't even know the worldview of everyone in your neighbourhood, let alone a nation of millions half a world away.

Which nation of millions is a world away?

Oh come on Frazz, your own lazy grammar is not going to let you slip away into a humorous escapade. You were saying that you knew the worldview of other people/countries we are at war with. You don't even know our own country's worldview politically, by your own admission. Don't claim to know others' unless you understand your own. Otherwise you sound like an ignorant blowhard, and we both know yo aren't. Preemptive: No you aren't.

you mean this?

Do I know the worldview of the people over dozen nations are actively at war with...yes.

Er...you mean ISIL? ISIL has proclaimed their worldview all over the internet...a caliphate following their interpretation of Islam which is a radicalized fundamentalist version most closely aligned to extremist Wahhabi visions-where their funding initially came from. its literally all over the internet.

Ooh, I see. I misread you. You claim to know the worldview of people that a dozen nations are at war with, not the dozen nations the US is fething around in.

So.. ISIS, I guess? Islamic extremism in general? You don't know their worldview, either.

I'll repeat, they have espoused their worldview all over the internet. There's a reason a dozen nations are bombing the crap out of them.

Which makes them much of a threat than supremacist prison gangs.

 Frazzled wrote:
I'll repeat, they have espoused their worldview all over the internet. There's a reason a dozen nations are bombing the crap out of them.

Which makes them much of a threat than supremacist prison gangs.

Bannon has spouted his worldview all over the Internet as well. Read up.

 Frazzled wrote:
I'll repeat, they have espoused their worldview all over the internet. There's a reason a dozen nations are bombing the crap out of them.

Which makes them much of a threat than supremacist prison gangs.

Why does ISIS's PR department get a pass to speak for every member, but when it's good 'ol boys in Shawshank, all of a sudden it's not so clear?

If you know the worldview of ten thousand people because you went to a website, then I know the worldview of three hundred thousand Americans because I checked out Stormfront.

well Isil did actually make their worldview a reality. you must have missed that.

I have no idea how many follow stormfront. the US vuews one as more of a threat.

Frazzled wrote:

Proof please. How many thousands of people have the Nazis killed in the US? How many bars did they shoot up? Government functions? Attempts to blow up Times Square?

Frazzled wrote:Again, that would be a better argument if they were actually...doing something. On the threat scale they are bush league.

Now the KKK was a real massive threat, but their back has been broken. American Nazis were never strong being that they were Nazis and all.

Frankly the lefties hyperventilating and calling everyone who fails the No True Scotsmen test with them a Nazi doesn't help either.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html

“Law enforcement agencies around the country have told us the threat from Muslim extremists is not as great as the threat from right-wing extremists,” said Dr. Kurzman, whose study is to be published by the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security and the Police Executive Research Forum.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/white-americans-are-the-biggest-terror-threat-in-the-united-states/211608/

Almost twice as many people have died in attacks by right-wing groups in America than have died in attacks by Muslim extremists. Of the 26 attacks since 9/11 that the group defined as terror, 19 were carried out by non-Muslims.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/statistics-show-white-supremacy-bigger-004327404.html

While the public hasn't quite caught on yet, scholars say that the issue needs to be addressed. “There’s an acceptance now of the idea that the threat from jihadi terrorism in the United States has been overblown,” Dr. John G. Horgan, who studies terrorism at the University of Massachusetts said. “And there’s a belief that the threat of right-wing, antigovernment violence has been underestimated.”

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Medium of Death wrote:I think you're also confusing the rising White Nationalism with the Skinhead, WLP's National Alliance of the 80's/90's/00's. A lot of these people are basically advocating race realism. The basic idea being that Western Civilisation is an expression of the European People, and that in order to maintain that level of civilisation their needs to be a majority of "white" people.

I personally think this is slowed because their is nothing inherently good about "muh precious white DNA", also being in Britain and being Scottish I'm also opposed to the label of "White".

"White genocide", the only genocide that's happening without killing white people :/

 Medium of Death wrote:
>Better keep letting Muslims in until they become a problem because Nazis are bad.

Suggest we should let MALES go free when they represent the huge majority of shooting spree, terrorist attacks and generally violent crime…