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 Kap'n Krump wrote:
What is this from? Because I don't recall seeing a D nova in the tzeench tree, thought it was just the gaze of magnus and the single D shot.

30k dude , Magnus hasn't fallen to tzeentch yet


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 kaiservonhugal wrote:

I doubt it as I think Magnus ignores perils all together.

He is resistant to perils when casting but still effected

em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 hordrak wrote:
Sisters of Silence are not that scary to Thousand Sons. They are only T3, so they can be drowned in wounds from conventional weapons. They will not do well against Sekhmet termies, who are stubborn and ignore the leadership penalties, plus will be walking in a 2+/3++ and will simply smash them in CC. Phosphex should kill the easily and dedicatet CC units will smash them. Without Custodes backup they will not live long.

They are really only a support element, not really a stand-alone force. So they will be backing up Custodes or Questoris Knights, or Legions who take allies, etc.

I think they do offer some tools that might cause you issues, but nothing too imbalanced, which isn't a surprise. 30k is generally pretty even among its armies/factions.

That support element may wery well backfire, as they lower the leadership of ALL units in range. Fro Knights it's not an issue, but I'd suggest Legiones should exploit their strong sides. TS and Magnus are not that great at shooting or CC, they have great special units, but the Bulk of the army is generic with some minor buffs from cults. WE, EC, SoH, SW can overpower TS units in CC, IH,IF, IW can outshoot them. We can compensate our lack of strength in thouse areas with psykic powers, but there is allways the chance of failing a test or getting Perills.

kaiservonhugal wrote:The Word Bearers Dark Brethren RoW has a rule: Hell Follows with Them. All wounds caused by perils of the warp taken by the opponent gain the Instant Death rule - does that help at all?

I doubt it as I think Magnus ignores perils all together.

He takes Perills if he rolls 3 or more 6s and rerolls 1s on the Perills table. He's EW, so ID doesn't scare him. Other guys can take Arcane Littanies, they ignore the first wound from Perills, so most psykers have some protection against that.

 kaiservonhugal wrote:

I doubt it as I think Magnus ignores perils all together.

Not that I see. He just doesn't Perils as easily, but if you cause them via something like Psyk-Outs, he is no different than anyone else.

That said, in this particular case, Magnus is immune to ID anyway.

 Ashiraya wrote:
That said, in this particular case, Magnus is immune to ID anyway.

Are you talking about the Dragged portion of Perils? That is remove-as-casualty, so not ID. So unless I am just missing something (entirely possible!), EW wouldn't kick in and he would go bye-bye.

He can re roll a 1 on perils, so resistant but not immune

 Tamwulf wrote:
My only concern is that Sisters of Silence are only available to Loyalist legions. What's a Traitor Legion supposed to do against Magnus? Meh, fight on I guess.

For my Word Bearers it's take the Dark Brethren RoW (Since there's now some use for it) and maybe ally in Karnak.

How does perils-ing on any doubles and ID to Perils Wound for non-Magnus 1k Sons sound?
That or maybe bring a Mhara Gal to non-Zone Mortalis games to get some free high strength, good AP Ignores Cover hits on their Psykers.


For all you non-Word Bearer Traitors... just going to have to weather out the storm and destroy Magnus' Warp Charge batteries.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:
My only concern is that Sisters of Silence are only available to Loyalist legions. What's a Traitor Legion supposed to do against Magnus? Meh, fight on I guess.

For my Word Bearers it's take the Dark Brethren RoW (Since there's now some use for it) and maybe ally in Karnak.

How does perils-ing on any doubles and ID to Perils Wound for non-Magnus 1k Sons sound?
That or maybe bring a Mhara Gal to non-Zone Mortalis games to get some free high strength, good AP Ignores Cover hits on their Psykers.


For all you non-Word Bearer Traitors... just going to have to weather out the storm and destroy Magnus' Warp Charge batteries.

Shattered Legions, Word Bearer Praetor as the Warlord, Dark Brethren RoW, add other Traitor Legions as you like.

You tritors shouldnt be figting one another anyway. its against fluff damnit

How dare you. The Thousand Sons are loyal to the Emperor and always will be!

Alpha legion can get warp charges to deny by using 1ksons units...


However, I can't help but being amused by the fact people rage on the 1ksons "breaking the psyker phase"
It's thier THING. Had they been anything else it would have been an insult.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Alpha legion can get warp charges to deny by using 1ksons units...


However, I can't help but being amused by the fact people rage on the 1ksons "breaking the psyker phase"
It's thier THING. Had they been anything else it would have been an insult.

Couldn't have said it better. Nobody prohibits taking libies for DtW. You can't break a phase, that's nonexistent, only word bearers used it before. TS and Magnus are strong, but they do not beak anything.

Oh I'm not complaining about them having one and being good at it, I just think Magnus is a bit too strong with his Mind Wraith rule since RAW it applies to Beams, Novas and Focused Witchfires even though it was probably intended to only work on plain, simple Witchfires.


I'm more or less just happy that there's now a proper reason to make use of Dark Brethren... before it wasn't all that great because almost no one except other Word Bearer players use Psykers, and aside from PE on ICs and a 50/50 chance to make a unit either the target of your opponent's wrath or slightly better at killing everything in their army... it didn't really do much considering 3 out of 5 characters allow you to take Daemon Allies anyway.

Oh, I have a question - Sanctic Demonology says you get Perills on any doubles, but the Arch-Sorcerer rule states, that Magnus takes perills only if he gets 3 or mor 6s. So does he still perill on any doubles, or does he need 3 6s on Sanctic?

...Hmmm that's a good question. A similar interaction happens with Karnak (who typically causes Psykers within 12" of him to perils on any roll that includes a doubles).

While it's certainly not RAW, I'd probably go with a happy medium and make it so Santic/Karnak/etc. cause Magnus to perils on any triples. It's possible that Forge World intended Arch-Sorcerer to either take precedence over both or just Sanctic though.

Magnus rule on perils is specified to apply when manifesting powers, where the normal situation is two 6's cause a perils. It won't apply elsewhere.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
That said, in this particular case, Magnus is immune to ID anyway.

Are you talking about the Dragged portion of Perils? That is remove-as-casualty, so not ID. So unless I am just missing something (entirely possible!), EW wouldn't kick in and he would go bye-bye.

No, I am referring to the person on the previous page who suggested using the Hell Follows with Them rule against him.

As someone who often employs Dark Brethren, unfortunately that rule is situational to say the least.

 Jackal wrote:
Unit - you do realise it's not just marines in 30k right?

Questoris get screwed big time by this.
If he gets invisibility they can do nothing to kill him.

Mechanicum - it's an army of MCs and tanks, just like magnus is perfect for killing.


Best you can hope for is he doesn't get invisibility then hit him with as much as you can before he decimates a section of board.





The main issue is, you either need amazing characters or heavy vehicles to kill him.
He specialises in killing both of those quite easily.


Also, jumping through hoops to get strength D?
With how he can cast the hoops are fairly easy to jump through.
Considering the average 2D6 roll is also a 7, you'd have to roll less than average to fail it.

Actually yes, I do realize the heresy is more than just marines, since my armies are Centurio Ordinatus, Legio Cybernetica, and Solar Auxilia, all of them are still hurt bad by this.

Do you know what happened in my test game against the new 1k Sons? My opponent had 9 (+d6) warp-charge dice because he held his Sekhmet terminators in reserve to deep strike. 9 dice is enough to get off roughly 1 D Witchfire power (you need to roll 5 for a reliable success). Also my tanks outran magnus and stayed outside of his nova range (even doubled) so he got ~1 D shot per turn, which is par for the course for a Lord of War. And then I shot him in his face until he was dead, like most primarchs.

Given the way Magnus effects list building, I could easily get 15+ dice before I roll that d6 with minimum investment.

Hand magnus a dreadclaw and pyromancy and watch him destroy large sections of the table.

Profit?

Or lose all pick up game options!

I would go so far as to say 30k Magnus is more busted than 40k Magnus - by a not inconsiderable distance!