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After I'm done putting my Dark Angels army together, I plan on starting another army. Both Orks and Space Wolves interest me, but I'm not quite sure which to pick. I don't really have a preferred play style, as long as I don't have to do a lot of "cheesy" moves.

It'd be great if you can explain why you prefer one over the other, and all of your suggestions are much appreciated.

Orks. Space Wolves, while different, are still too close to Space Marines. Go Orks for something totally different

I love them both and they're 2 of my 3 armies. Space wolves rely on thunderwolves, wulfen and infantries in drop pods or a stormwolf, they have poor shooting and not a huge amount of models but they hit pretty hard in close combat.

Orks are more a multiple small units oriented army with tons of fast units and transports like trukks, bikes, battlewagons, deffkoptas and some ranged shooty units like mek gunz and lootas. The don't aim very well but they fire a great amount of shots, in close combat are good but not excellent.

Mass flash gits..... They are just sexy and need to be everywhere. Also convert a flash gits into a pirate warboss and a pirate big mek flash git like me lol.

It depends on what you want for your second army. For competition, go with space wolves. For fun, try orks. Orks can be semi-competitive but that will require MSU's and a lot of painting. It is always easier to be said than done unless you don't mind filling up your army from various ebay sellers.

Orks. Variety is the spice of life. Having space wolves would just be another space marine army. Orks will be wildly different to what you have and I think that difference will prove to be quite fun for you; plus they're a great lolzy army when you wanna lay back and have fun.

Why not both? Do a small force of each, expand from there.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Mass flash gits..... They are just sexy and ......

cost fortune in real money and have the worst rules in the game.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Orks. Space Wolves, while different, are still too close to Space Marines. Go Orks for something totally different

This is why I voted for Orks.

 oldzoggy wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Mass flash gits..... They are just sexy and ......

cost fortune in real money and have the worst rules in the game.

I agree, they're terrible on the battlefield ad awfully overpriced, but converting them is extremely easy, you just need to use nobz with kombi weapons modified with some big shootas or shootas parts. I bought only the pieces I needed form a bitz online store and I built 6 flash gitz for less than 15 US dollars. If you use AOBR nobz they can cost even less.

I never use them but I love those converted models.


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 jreilly89 wrote:
Space Wolves, while different, are still too close to Space Marines.

Actually they're completely different, Space Wolves are mostly thunderwolves and wulfen with some infantries in drop pods to make the list legal. SM are bikers, centurions, devastators, basically everyone that can have grav weapons, which are completely absent in the SW codex.

You can also see quite often a razorback/rhinos spam with SM, but those vehicles are very terrible for SW armies and you won't see a single one of them in their competitive lists.

SM are a shooty oriented army, while SW rely entirely in their excellent close combat ability. Even the psychic phase is completely different.

SM and SW basically have just the 3+ armour and drop pods in common.

 oldzoggy wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Mass flash gits..... They are just sexy and ......

cost fortune in real money and have the worst rules in the game.

They use to be one of the worst units but they are honestly not terrible in the 7th edition codex due to their gun being upgraded and the points cost cut in half. Three shots of S5 with RNG AP and able to be BS3 if they stand still makes them decent shooting units while they have the Nobz profile so they actually punch fairly hard. Perhaps I am heavily biased but I tend to run a Git Wagon every game and not once did i ever feel like I made a huge mistake in bringing them. They basically serve the roll of Shoota Boyz but with much better utility and are a threat to a lot of enemies that tend to shrug at shoota boyz. My strategies tend to be very heavy on Battlewagon use so they work well in that role (full squad takes up 10 slots so I can take a Killkannon for no transport penalty, inside an armored box that keeps them safe and able to shoot, i have other more melee focused threats drawing away fire buying time for the Gitz to shoot). Honestly things like the Orkanauts, Stormboyz, Kommandos, Burna Bommers, and Deffdreads feel far less practical and thats just in the Ork dex. There are numerious garbage units in the CSM, Dark Eldar, Guard, and Nid codex.

Also for saving money you can just use a Nobz box and convert the Kombi Weapons into Kustomized Snazzguns.

They are horrible point inefficient with their bloated point cost 6+ sv and bolter range.

 Blackie wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
Mass flash gits..... They are just sexy and ......

cost fortune in real money and have the worst rules in the game.

I agree, they're terrible on the battlefield ad awfully overpriced, but converting them is extremely easy, you just need to use nobz with kombi weapons modified with some big shootas or shootas parts. I bought only the pieces I needed form a bitz online store and I built 6 flash gitz for less than 15 US dollars. If you use AOBR nobz they can cost even less.

I never use them but I love those converted models.


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 jreilly89 wrote:
Space Wolves, while different, are still too close to Space Marines.

Actually they're completely different, Space Wolves are mostly thunderwolves and wulfen with some infantries in drop pods to make the list legal. SM are bikers, centurions, devastators, basically everyone that can have grav weapons, which are completely absent in the SW codex.

You can also see quite often a razorback/rhinos spam with SM, but those vehicles are very terrible for SW armies and you won't see a single one of them in their competitive lists.

SM are a shooty oriented army, while SW rely entirely in their excellent close combat ability. Even the psychic phase is completely different.

SM and SW basically have just the 3+ armour and drop pods in common.

Blackie pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Even in the Ironwolves where vehicle upgrades are free Space Wolves take Rhinos rather than Razorbacks because they're usually moving too far to fire more than snap-shots if at all.
They'd have their proverbials handed to them by just about any other Space Marine army in a shooting match.
They'd stomp them in melee.

I'm not voting at all though - Orks are brilliant, if I hadn't been sold on the Wolves I would have gotten Orks.

You also have to consider that Ork armies often feature 100+ models. That's way too much for my liking.

Are you going to paint them as Space Wolves? If yes, then definitely Orks. Because Space Wolves have such an UGLY scheme...

 Melissia wrote:
Are you going to paint them as Space Wolves? If yes, then definitely Orks. Because Space Wolves have such an UGLY scheme...

That's just your opinion, maybe he likes their color scheme. Actually I don't like any other SM chapter, including their color schemes, only SW have my love. Seriously, are yellow marines looking better than light blue/grey ones?

Fun or cheese?

 Blackie wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Are you going to paint them as Space Wolves? If yes, then definitely Orks. Because Space Wolves have such an UGLY scheme...

That's just your opinion, maybe he likes their color scheme. Actually I don't like any other SM chapter, including their color schemes, only SW have my love. Seriously, are yellow marines looking better than light blue/grey ones?

Actually I agree with Melissia here. Their 30k color scheme is okay, but I LOATHE the current awful blue/grey mess that is their 40k scheme.

If you care about winning vs power lists, then SW. If you're bored of (non-looted) power armor, then orks. If you like having cool characters at the head of your army and don't want them to handicap your list, then SW. If you want to roll lots of dice then orks. If you want to cherry pick vehicles from other factions and mad-maxify them, then orks. If you want consistency on the battlefield, then SW.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Are you going to paint them as Space Wolves? If yes, then definitely Orks. Because Space Wolves have such an UGLY scheme...

That's just your opinion, maybe he likes their color scheme. Actually I don't like any other SM chapter, including their color schemes, only SW have my love. Seriously, are yellow marines looking better than light blue/grey ones?

Actually I agree with Melissia here. Their 30k color scheme is okay, but I LOATHE the current awful blue/grey mess that is their 40k scheme.

Then go for the 30k colour scheme


Gunmetal, Candy Red and Gold Trim are quite fetching.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Are you going to paint them as Space Wolves? If yes, then definitely Orks. Because Space Wolves have such an UGLY scheme...

That's just your opinion, maybe he likes their color scheme. Actually I don't like any other SM chapter, including their color schemes, only SW have my love. Seriously, are yellow marines looking better than light blue/grey ones?

Actually I agree with Melissia here. Their 30k color scheme is okay, but I LOATHE the current awful blue/grey mess that is their 40k scheme.

Then go for the 30k colour scheme

Spoiler:

Gunmetal, Candy Red and Gold Trim are quite fetching.

.....that's what I said. The 30k scheme looks like an actual army:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Blackie wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Are you going to paint them as Space Wolves? If yes, then definitely Orks. Because Space Wolves have such an UGLY scheme...

That's just your opinion, maybe he likes their color scheme. Actually I don't like any other SM chapter, including their color schemes, only SW have my love. Seriously, are yellow marines looking better than light blue/grey ones?

Actually I agree with Melissia here. Their 30k color scheme is okay, but I LOATHE the current awful blue/grey mess that is their 40k scheme.

Then go for the 30k colour scheme

Spoiler:

Gunmetal, Candy Red and Gold Trim are quite fetching.

.....that's what I said. The 30k scheme looks like an actual army:

Nice pinstripes. I've always struggled with that.

I guess i'm in the minority, I like the 40k Space Wolf colors.

 Marmatag wrote:
I guess i'm in the minority, I like the 40k Space Wolf colors.

Could be worse, at least they don't designate their leaders by forcing them to cosplay as Smurfs.
La la lala lala, sing a happy song!
La la lala lala, Heresy is wrong!

 jreilly89 wrote:


.....that's what I said. The 30k scheme looks like an actual army:

They're certainly well painted but I prefer 40k colors for sure. Maybe it's also a matter of models as I dislike everything about 30k, especially my beloved SW, as in 30k they're just regular space marines. No big wolves and werewolves? No space wolves

 Blackie wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


.....that's what I said. The 30k scheme looks like an actual army:

They're certainly well painted but I prefer 40k colors for sure. Maybe it's also a matter of models as I dislike everything about 30k, especially my beloved SW, as in 30k they're just regular space marines. No big wolves and werewolves? No space wolves

What's your opinion on Space Wolf unit names?

 Dakka Wolf wrote:


What's your opinion on Space Wolf unit names?

You mean if I like the terms: wulfen, thunder wolves, grey hunters, sky claws, blood claws....? Yes, I like them. I dont' really care about names to be honest but all the SW typical units are beautiful to see on the battlefield IMHO.

Going back to original question, I'd say both armies are great because with lots of bitz you won't have even in a huge army two models that look the same. But SW can be customized just by kitbashing, orks need some scratch building. So if you are not a huge fan of conversions and scratch built models I'd suggest to start Space Wolves.

 Blackie wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:


What's your opinion on Space Wolf unit names?

You mean if I like the terms: wulfen, thunder wolves, grey hunters, sky claws, blood claws....? Yes, I like them. I dont' really care about names to be honest but all the SW typical units are beautiful to see on the battlefield IMHO.

Going back to original question, I'd say both armies are great because with lots of bitz you won't have even in a huge army two models that look the same. But SW can be customized just by kitbashing, orks need some scratch building. So if you are not a huge fan of conversions and scratch built models I'd suggest to start Space Wolves.

I was actually more on the road of Wolf Guard, Wolf Scouts, Wolf Priests, Wolf Lords, Storm Wolf, Wolf Claws, personally I'm fond of names like Grey Hunters and Blood/Sky/SwiftClaws, they've at least put effort in there...and in spite of not being in the 30k games Wulfen were at the burning of Prospero - the 13th company was already heavy with them, they personally chased the Thousand Sons into the warp.

On the original question I will point out one Space Wolves unit that does look the same in every army.
Fenrisian Wolves.
I've complained a length on multiple occassions about them being limited to a grand total of five models, especially for a model that is supposed to be spammed. Even delving into LOTR, WHFB and AOS you come up with twenty two unique models and that's after butchering warg riders.
As for the troops Blackie is right, there's rarely two identical looking units in a single Space Wolves army and never two identical armies.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:


On the original question I will point out one Space Wolves unit that does look the same in every army.
Fenrisian Wolves.
I've complained a length on multiple occassions about them being limited to a grand total of five models, especially for a model that is supposed to be spammed. Even delving into LOTR, WHFB and AOS you come up with twenty two unique models and that's after butchering warg riders.

I completely agree with you, it's a shame that they don't have a plastic kit with universal bitz and got only a box that contains monopose models. Thunderwolves have the same problem, basically three standard models with a couple of possible alternative choices, but at least you can customize the riders.

 Blackie wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


.....that's what I said. The 30k scheme looks like an actual army:

They're certainly well painted but I prefer 40k colors for sure. Maybe it's also a matter of models as I dislike everything about 30k, especially my beloved SW, as in 30k they're just regular space marines. No big wolves and werewolves? No space wolves

Ahh yes, who could forget the classic Wolfy wolf teeth wolf guard with wolf boots, wolf bolters, and wolf grenades for close combat. An army of My Little Ponies would look better than the Space Wolves.