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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/14 10:23:40
Subject: Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Speed Drybrushing
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Where do the Chaos Primarchs come in the daemonic hierarchy, they're always called a Daemon Prince in the fluff but are they a lowly prince or do they rank above Greater Daemons or Daemon Lords.
example Angron, does he outrank An'ggrath or does he rank the same as Uraka Az'baramael.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/14 10:54:00
Subject: Re:Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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I imagine they're ESPECIALLY favored deamon princes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/14 10:59:02
Subject: Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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I wouldn't say any Daemon Prince is lowly as they've carried out enough deeds to be granted Daemonhood, that's no small boon. But Daemon Primarchs are probably some of the highest ranking, if not the highest ranking Princes. I would put them on par with the likes of An'ggrath. Some like Tallomin or Doombreed might be ranked higher depending which God they serve.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/14 11:04:10
Subject: Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Not 100% sure but I think daemon princes are generally favoured over GD's and primarches would be favoured over regular DP's. Reason being GD's are part of chaos god so their loyalty etc isn't in question. Daemon princes meanwhile went over on their own free will so they are more valuable.
Could be wrong though. But anyway that's how I see it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/14 11:13:44
Subject: Re:Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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IIRC the Chaos deamons codex says Deamon princes are actually lowish on the heirarchy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/14 11:19:34
Subject: Re:Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
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tneva82 wrote:Not 100% sure but I think daemon princes are generally favoured over GD's and primarches would be favoured over regular DP's. Reason being GD's are part of chaos god so their loyalty etc isn't in question. Daemon princes meanwhile went over on their own free will so they are more valuable.
I see what you are getting at but the God in question went out of his way to form the Greater Daemon from it's own self. It wanted the Greater Daemon, it's like its baby. Also think of Skarbrand, he was exiled because he took an axe to his master. I think Greater Daemons scheme and plot as much as any mortal, they just don't get caught
BrianDavion wrote:IIRC the Chaos deamons codex says Deamon princes are actually lowish on the heirarchy.
Hmm, I know it says for sure that Greater Daemons look down on them due to their mortal origins. From the Daemons Codex.
Though these Daemon Princes are powerful warriors and forceful leaders, they are always considered by Greater Daemons as inferior beings who are deeply and irrevocably tainted by their mortal origins.
I guess you could use this as a pro to the likes of Angron, who has a body guard of 12 Bloodthirsters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/14 13:34:31
Subject: Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I actually think it will never be clear. On the one hand, DPs are exalted to immortality for their deeds. GDs looking down on them for their mortal origins could, of course, be jealously. Many DPs have created and ruled over large empires and have been themselves worshipped. On the other hand, GDs being an extension of their patron god would mean that they are more "trusted" by said god. Fateweaver, for example is probably higher ranked in Tzeentch's court than Magnus There is no doubt that the Daemon Primarchs rank above all other Princes. Whether they rank above GDs is another story. I suspect that they rank above some GDs (see Angron and his BT bodyguards), but they may not rank above all GDs considering they still seem to have free will to muck with the mortal world. Most times I think the Chaos gods tolerate this as it furthers their plans, but I can imagine some things the Chaos gods would prefer be dealt with by their GDs. -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/14 14:47:17
Subject: Re:Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Pilau Rice wrote:I guess you could use this as a pro to the likes of Angron, who has a body guard of 12 Bloodthirsters.
It could also have something to do with how Khorne works, he doesn't care who you are, where you came from or anything like that it's about how strong you are. Those bloodthirsters think they're better or you think you're better than them? Beat the crap out of each other to find out who's right.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/14 14:57:01
Subject: Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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The older fluff used to say that Princes were lower than the greater daemons.
This was due to them once being mortal and not a true daemon.
So the pure high ranking daemons IMO would be above Princes.
While that applied to the regular daemons, I think primarchs may be different due to their high status.
So I'd say they are on par with the higher ranking greater daemons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/14 15:58:05
Subject: Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Jackal wrote:The older fluff used to say that Princes were lower than the greater daemons.
This was due to them once being mortal and not a true daemon.
So the pure high ranking daemons IMO would be above Princes.
While that applied to the regular daemons, I think primarchs may be different due to their high status.
So I'd say they are on par with the higher ranking greater daemons.
This. Regular Chaos Marines and mortals seek daemonhood, and sometimes even manage it. Look at Emeli Duboir or Lord Nemeroth. Both made it to daemonhood, but I daresay Nemeroth would have been more highly regarded than Duboir, and Angron in turn far more highly ranked than Nemeroth.
The Chaos Gods took an exceptional interest in the Primarchs. They lent the Emperor a hand in their creation, and went to exceptional lengths in some regards to turn them (see Nurgle torturing Mortarion endlessly). They'd never have done that for a normal mortal. As pointed out, Angron even has a bodyguard of a dozen Bloodthirsters.
So it would be sensible to say that normal daemon princes are regarded as lesser daemons, but as with all things chaotic, there is no hard rule. It is likely that the more powerful you were in your own right before ascenscion, the more powerful a daemon prince and highly regarded you are. If you just ordered butchered a few million souls on some backward planet nobody cares about, you're going to rank lower than a Alpha Legion Librarian who spent several thousand years practising his craft and wreaking havoc across the stars.
I daresay that if a normal greater daemon told Duboir to jump, she'd ask which way. On the other hand, a bloodthirster trying to order Angron about would be looking for his teeth in short order, and a Lord of Change looking down on Magnus would find his brains scrambled before he could think twice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/21 17:03:25
Subject: Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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The Chaos gods don't really seem to care for any one daemon over the other, it seems to be more of a matter of who can reap the most rewards for their patron god. So I'd guess that the more powerful an entity is, the higher on the food chain they are. Right now Magnus is the only one we actually have stats for, but he defiantly outshines anything else Tzeench has. So I'd say he's top of the heap, next to tzeencth. Not just because he's a primarch, but because being a primarch makes him naturally more powerful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/02/21 20:44:09
Subject: Re:Primarchs, Daemon Hierarchy
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Stealthy Kroot Stalker
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Pilau Rice wrote:
Hmm, I know it says for sure that Greater Daemons look down on them due to their mortal origins. From the Daemons Codex.
Though these Daemon Princes are powerful warriors and forceful leaders, they are always considered by Greater Daemons as inferior beings who are deeply and irrevocably tainted by their mortal origins.
I guess you could use this as a pro to the likes of Angron, who has a body guard of 12 Bloodthirsters.
Being considered by your rivals as inferior beings does not make you an actually inferior being.
That just means the rivals want to feel superior.
In the end, it's all about how much your God favors you. I can only imagine that the Daemon Primarchs are very highly favored (though not necessarily the most highly favored).
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