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The art style/graphics, the simplified (and downright pointless) base building, the multiplayer game mode ain't to my taste, the stealth and cover mechanics irk me.

A combination of the above put me off this game, shame really as I wanted to like this game but I dont.

GA where do i give my opinion about the game? I merely said reserve judgment. You can whine as much as you want when you have played it. That's all. My opinion isn't on the game it's on how you react to a trailer. As far as the game's considered i'm mixed. The art direction wasn't fully to my liking but until i test the beta or play the actual game i will reserve judgment.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
GA where do i give my opinion about the game? I merely said reserve judgment. You can whine as much as you want when you have played it. That's all. My opinion isn't on the game it's on how you react to a trailer. As far as the game's considered i'm mixed. The art direction wasn't fully to my liking but until i test the beta or play the actual game i will reserve judgment.

The fact that you're here telling me to reserve judgement indicates that your opinion with DOW3 is either neutral or positive. You may not have said it directly, but by challenging my opinion you've essentially revealed your own, especially considering that you haven't told anyone on this thread who is looking forward to the game to reserve their opinions.

Plus, this thread wouldn't exist if we all just reserved our opinions, nor would any rumour thread exist for that matter.

I really am not a fan, just dosn't feel like a 40k game and in fact you could replace the units with any other skin and they would be just as good.

Graphics are a joke in this day and age this should not pass for a PC game, hell my phone could probably run it! They should have let creative assembly have a go at the title.



I mean at least give them a wash and some edge highlights!

 General Annoyance wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
GA where do i give my opinion about the game? I merely said reserve judgment. You can whine as much as you want when you have played it. That's all. My opinion isn't on the game it's on how you react to a trailer. As far as the game's considered i'm mixed. The art direction wasn't fully to my liking but until i test the beta or play the actual game i will reserve judgment.

The fact that you're here telling me to reserve judgement indicates that your opinion with DOW3 is either neutral or positive. You may not have said it directly, but by challenging my opinion you've essentially revealed your own, especially considering that you haven't told anyone on this thread who is looking forward to the game to reserve their opinions.

Plus, this thread wouldn't exist if we all just reserved our opinions, nor would any rumour thread exist for that matter.

Nobody else has made as big of a stink about it as you. That's the only reason why i specified you. It's just like with AJ. He endlessly made a stink about total war warhammer and caused a ton of people to downvote it constantly. I don't agree fully with the DLC but the amount of whine was a bit much. If you don't like something then don't play it. Making an endless stink about something before it's even released is ridiculous.

Irish and daston get to complain because they played the game and dislike it. When you play the game your opinion will have infinitely more weight. Course i am reserving my opinion till i play so i'm pretty neutral. I just hate endless complainers before something is out. I even told you the art style isn't entirely to my liking. It's a little too cartoony but that said it reminds me of the over the top goofy and campy gameplay of dow 1 so it's not all bad. I mean i feel like i'm the only one that remembers in dow 1 that some enemies would launch foot soldiers 50 feet in the air only for them to get back up on their feet like it was a minor inconvenience rather than a fall that'd kill any normal person (esp. a guardsman).

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Nobody else has made as big of a stink about it as you.

So what? Why does my opinion have to be singled out simply because it is mostly negative? If anything, all the unreasonable judgement has come from the mostly positive arguments, and all the I've had to take from them because they've rubbed themselves up into a hype frenzy. At least I have some weight behind my argument other than "this game will be great/terrible"

If you don't like something then don't play it

Daft rule. Does that mean people who don't like something can't voice their opinion?

Irish and daston get to complain because they played the game and dislike it.

I've played the game, so does my argument have some arbitrary value to it now?

I even told you the art style isn't entirely to my liking.

Also admitting that you have provided pre play opinion.

It's a little too cartoony but that said it reminds me of the over the top goofy and campy gameplay of dow 1 so it's not all bad.

I don't see people's problem with flat shading - it actually looks quite nice for an RTS. The problem lies with the terrible animation that doesn't even work right.

Well what was your opinion of the game?

I'll admit i have a bit of a pre-play opinion but i'm reserving most judgment till i get to play. I did however get to see gameplay on youtube of people doing multiplayer a bit and it looked sorta cool to me. I suppose my biggest issue is how much hate you seemed to give towards the game even during it's first gameplay reveal and a lot of your reasons in that thread kinda fell flat to most people including me. I don't even mind if you dislike it but you almost seemed obsessed on how much you disliked where it was going and saying it'd suck. I'll even admit the art style has me unconvinced about it being good. I just don't spew hate everywhere about it.

Eh i dunno i think my favored art style for DoW is still dawn of war 1. It looks a bit ridiculous but it didn't get super realistic. This one is sort of the opposite and very cartoony. Dawn of War 1 was a mix and that was a good thing to me. Course maybe it's nostalgia goggles. I barely played any multiplayer for Dawn of War 2 and Dawn of War 1 i played endlessly.

Played a bit, quite enjoying it so far.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Well what was your opinion of the game?

I've only played a game or two online - I'm not ready to give my final judgement on it yet.

I'll admit i have a bit of a pre-play opinion but i'm reserving most judgment till i get to play.

So the whole basis of your challenge to me has nothing to stand on?

Well, at least we cleared that up.

I suppose my biggest issue is how much hate you seemed to give towards the game even during it's first gameplay reveal and a lot of your reasons in that thread kinda fell flat to most people including me. I don't even mind if you dislike it but you almost seemed obsessed on how much you disliked where it was going and saying it'd suck. I'll even admit the art style has me unconvinced about it being good. I just don't spew hate everywhere about it.

There's a huge difference between hate and critique. If you can't distinguish the two, that's your problem, not mine.

Good to also see that you didn't take away any of the positive stuff I suggested could be possible in DOW3. Just like the people before you, you've cherry picked all the more extreme parts of my arguments to make me look like someone who's being unreasonable.

I'll refer you again to my own posts on that thread. Read them and tell me if that smacks of someone who's just hating on the game.

Eh i dunno i think my favored art style for DoW is still dawn of war 1. It looks a bit ridiculous but it didn't get super realistic. This one is sort of the opposite and very cartoony. Dawn of War 1 was a mix and that was a good thing to me. Course maybe it's nostalgia goggles. I barely played any multiplayer for Dawn of War 2 and Dawn of War 1 i played endlessly.

Again I ask why flat shading is such a big problem, and why nobody is levelling any of the cartoonish effect at the poor animation work rather than the well executed art style.

I think that this game has receive a lot of hate from the most toxic crown of "hardcore fanboys" out there. As the days go on, I'm more realizing that we fans can be the worst thing to happens to anything out there.

I have see people saying that this game was an "INSULT" to the "hardcore fans" because Gabriel Angelos shouldn't jump 5 meters in a Terminatour armour, because thats an "Insult to the lore" and they did it to try to appeal to "mainstream public" and not the "loyal and hardcore fans"

That entitlement, like videogames or in general, things should be done to our own vision of that thing is so annoying.

I'm totally onboard with rational critizism based in facts and arguments, but when the hate comes with a "I'm a big fan and things aren't how I like them because they are different now" is so... get a life!
This is the universe where BloodAngels brofist Necrons to kill Tyranids. If anyone takes the Lore so seriously as to be actually mad or angry about people ignoring it, has a serious problem. And I say this being a lore-freak of Warhammer both Fantasy and 40k.

Just like ME:Andromeda. "Fans" hated it from the first minute because stupid reasons. And then all of the "hardcore-fans" of how 90% didn't even played the game go ahead talking trash about how animations ruined the game when they where anecdotical and just a meme, when the worst part of the game was the weak narrative and in general weak companions characters, the best point of all of ME games.

 Galas wrote:
I think that this game has receive a lot of hate from the most toxic crown of "hardcore fanboys" out there. As the days go on, I'm more realizing that we fans can be the worst thing to happens to anything out there.

I have see people saying that this game was an "INSULT" to the "hardcore fans" because Gabriel Angelos shouldn't jump 5 meters in a Terminatour armour, because thats an "Insult to the lore" and they did it to try to appeal to "mainstream public" and not the "loyal and hardcore fans"

That entitlement, like videogames or in general, things should be done to our own vision of that thing is so annoying.

I'm totally onboard with rational critizism based in facts and arguments, but when the hate comes with a "I'm a big fan and things aren't how I like them because they are different now" is so... get a life!
This is the universe where BloodAngels brofist Necrons to kill Tyranids. If anyone takes the Lore so seriously as to be actually mad or angry about people ignoring it, has a serious problem. And I say this being a lore-freak of Warhammer both Fantasy and 40k.

Just like ME:Andromeda. "Fans" hated it from the first minute because stupid reasons. And then all of the "hardcore-fans" of how 90% didn't even played the game go ahead talking trash about how animations ruined the game when they where anecdotical and just a meme, when the worst part of the game was the weak narrative and in general weak companions characters, the best point of all of ME games.

Lore Nazi's not withstanding - the bulk of the arguments made about the quality of the gameplay are (from what I've seen) based entirely around it looking beyond silly. And before you come back with something about 40k being fiction already and the various 'silly' things already present, that isn't my point. It isn't just over the top violence or ridiculous powers...it's how they interact with the game as a whole. A flying terminator doing WWE wrestling attacks on a Guardian squad just looks stupid, in my opinion.

Make no mistake though, I'm entirely OK with over-the-top action and violence in a 40k game - if it's done right. This doesn't look like it's done right, again, just my opinion.

I'd considered trying the beta but my schedule wouldn't allow for any extra game time, sadly. From what I've heard though, it isn't all that pretty. I'll reserve my judgement for when I buy it on a sale later - no way am I buying any more 60 dollar games day one, the industry has proven so unreliable that even if I wasn't already worried about DOW3 as a whole, there'd still be a good chance it'd ship incomplete.

 Galas wrote:
I think that this game has receive a lot of hate from the most toxic crown of "hardcore fanboys" out there. As the days go on, I'm more realizing that we fans can be the worst thing to happens to anything out there.

Yup, gamers are terrible people most of the time. But that also extends to people who try to play on the positive side of things, and shut down people who have voiced good criticism.

I have see people saying that this game was an "INSULT" to the "hardcore fans" because Gabriel Angelos shouldn't jump 5 meters in a Terminatour armour, because thats an "Insult to the lore" and they did it to try to appeal to "mainstream public" and not the "loyal and hardcore fans"

I struggle to see how that point is invalid; the issue you have when you make a 40k/Fantasy game is that you have to take into consideration how rich and historic the lore for each universe has become, and the massive amount of fans who may play TT versions of the game, other videogames of the universe or who just know about the lore and love a lot of things about it. The question that devs should probably be asking when they make a game with a universe as learned as 40k/Fantasy is "are we doing something with our game that necessitates this universe to make it a good game?". The problem I've found with DOW3 is that it could be just as good a game without the Warhammer 40k universe; it doesn't compliment the universe, nor does the universe compliment the game. That's probably why people are angry.

Let's not forget that the licence has been dragged through the dirt in recent years with terrible mobile games and games that didn't live up to expectations by a long shot. That's likely to make people even more critical than usual.

That entitlement, like videogames or in general, things should be done to our own vision of that thing is so annoying.

Less their own vision, but how they know 40k to be. DOW3 doesn't scream like 40k like both DOW1 and 2 did, and that's where the problem lies. Entitlement is different to pointing out that kind of observation.

I'm totally onboard with rational critizism based in facts and arguments, but when the hate comes with a "I'm a big fan and things aren't how I like them because they are different now" is so... get a life!

And right there you show the other side of the spectrum of irrationality. That kind of logic could be used to shut down anyone who has raised concerns about how a historic franchise is being changed, when the changes are fairly nonsensical/unnecessary.

This is the universe where BloodAngels brofist Necrons to kill Tyranids. If anyone takes the Lore so seriously as to be actually mad or angry about people ignoring it, has a serious problem. And I say this being a lore-freak of Warhammer both Fantasy and 40k.

IOW: I don't take the universe seriously and I like it, so STFU.

Just like ME:Andromeda. "Fans" hated it from the first minute because stupid reasons. And then all of the "hardcore-fans" of how 90% didn't even played the game go ahead talking trash about how animations ruined the game when they where anecdotical and just a meme, when the worst part of the game was the weak narrative and in general weak companions characters, the best point of all of ME games.

Again, learned universes can't be toyed with, and that's what makes people angry when they are. People have played the last instalment for what it offered, as well as for the universe, and if you change that, then you risk losing them because of it.

Had the misfortune of playing several games of DoW3 today at a friends house, and bad designe options, sub par animations and the lack of any chance to withdrawing your forces if need be. Then there is the whole lore question whom I do not inded to loose any more hair over I also found the pace and challenge of the game somewhat missing left me feeling robbed of several hours of time.
I hope for the sake of those whom decide to pay for this game that some of these errors are corrected before launch but I would not bet on it

Daston wrote:
Graphics are a joke in this day and age this should not pass for a PC game

I put graphics on max and I'm okay with it. I'd rather this than have to buy a new computer just to play.

After playing some, for me this will be a "wait for the steam sale" type of purchase. I just don't know enough about the campaign to want to toss 60 bucks at it at the moment, and the multi isn't good enough (especially being unable to play against AI to figure out how much fun that might be) to buy it on that alone. I still want to get it eventually, though, as even as it is it's still better than 90% of RTS games that have come out the past few years.

Were it 40 I'd get it in a heartbeat. Were it 50 I'd hesitate but probably get it anyway. But sixty it feels like is asking for a bit much given the game's state.

I found this that sums up my experience whit the multi of the game perfectly
I got board with it really fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyWTS6ouzg

And i really hated the bubble mechanic, its so Fing stupid!

 Galas wrote:
II have see people saying that this game was an "INSULT" to the "hardcore fans" because Gabriel Angelos shouldn't jump 5 meters in a Terminatour armour, because thats an "Insult to the lore" and they did it to try to appeal to "mainstream public" and not the "loyal and hardcore fans"

That entitlement, like videogames or in general, things should be done to our own vision of that thing is so annoying.

Well, to quote Relic from their interview in White Dwarf (March 2017, pg.34):

'We wanted to make sure even the tiniest details of the maps and animations felt like they’d be at home in the Warhammer 40,000 universe’

So that was either a lie or they have no idea that Cataphractii armour doesn't allow you to jump metres into the air...

Either way; not a great impression.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Galas wrote:
II have see people saying that this game was an "INSULT" to the "hardcore fans" because Gabriel Angelos shouldn't jump 5 meters in a Terminatour armour, because thats an "Insult to the lore" and they did it to try to appeal to "mainstream public" and not the "loyal and hardcore fans"

That entitlement, like videogames or in general, things should be done to our own vision of that thing is so annoying.

Well, to quote Relic from their interview in White Dwarf (March 2017, pg.34):

'We wanted to make sure even the tiniest details of the maps and animations felt like they’d be at home in the Warhammer 40,000 universe’

So that was either a lie or they have no idea that Cataphractii armour doesn't allow you to jump metres into the air...

Either way; not a great impression.

Didn't CS:GOTO write the original DOW accompaniment books?

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Didn't CS:GOTO write the original DOW accompaniment books?

Yes (although only the first directly ties to the events of the game(s)). And?

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Galas wrote:
II have see people saying that this game was an "INSULT" to the "hardcore fans" because Gabriel Angelos shouldn't jump 5 meters in a Terminatour armour, because thats an "Insult to the lore" and they did it to try to appeal to "mainstream public" and not the "loyal and hardcore fans"

That entitlement, like videogames or in general, things should be done to our own vision of that thing is so annoying.

Well, to quote Relic from their interview in White Dwarf (March 2017, pg.34):

'We wanted to make sure even the tiniest details of the maps and animations felt like they’d be at home in the Warhammer 40,000 universe’

So that was either a lie or they have no idea that Cataphractii armour doesn't allow you to jump metres into the air...

Either way; not a great impression.

Didn't CS:GOTO write the original DOW accompaniment books?

I just had a dreadfull feeling... I think we have uncoverd why the game is sub par

I've played a bit.. I think it's a good Warhammer game in general (Aside from a few weird design decisions).

But I don't think it's a good Dawn of War game, does that sound odd?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
I've played a bit.. I think it's a good Warhammer game in general (Aside from a few weird design decisions).

But I don't think it's a good Dawn of War game, does that sound odd?

Kinda. I'd say that it's a fairly decent RTS (although certainly not a good one), but not a Dawn of War game at all, and not a game that needed/deserved the 40k universe.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Didn't CS:GOTO write the original DOW accompaniment books?

Yes (although only the first directly ties to the events of the game(s)). And?

Somersaulting terminators were his thing.

They didn't specify which bit of the fluff they were representing 100%

I actually like the art and animation, but I dislike how cover, terrain, and generally everything is handled in combat.

It's like they were trying to combine DoW1 and DoW2 and failed to capture the best parts of either.

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I'd always been wary of a deal such as that, since it typically means that the keys have been stolen. G2A and it's subsidiaries are known for doing this, and there are probably plenty of other key sites that do the same.

This site is legit though, but if the link offends I can always remove it.

It's probably yet another scam site really.

I've purchased from them before quite a few times now, fast and reliable. I've stumbled across them via Dakka Dakka no less back when the Mad Max game was released.

Ok i only played one multiplayer match so far in the open beta that lasts for like a day and i actually enjoyed it. At first during the tutorials it felt iffy but when i fixed the graphics it looked decent enough rather than minimum graphics ugliness. Regular tactical marines feel a bit weak somehow and a lot of the eldar units seem more durable than they should. We won the match though even though both sides were like infants stumbling over in our first steps.

As far as aggression goes i was by far the most aggressive though my teammate did a bit as well. Gonna give the game a chance. It seems decent enough but only one game isn't a decider. The wait for match was a little while though.

In the same boat, managed to play a game with my brother and his coworker yesterday, them versus me, ouch. The tutorials are decent (but could do with a better voice over) and very basic, but seeing the game in action has certainly helped quite a bit. That I wound up winning somehow was purely coincidental.

We didn't really play seriously at first, we just tooled around and I told them that as long as I could drop in Solaria I'd be pleased as punch. But then the coworker decided to muscle in on my points and it escalated from there, first with me using drop pods filled with Tacticals to assault him as he capped those points, but swiftly turning to drop pods with Dreadnoughts instead, which was way more satisfying to see happen! I did notice that a single squad of Tacticals entrenched in one of those defensive points, armed with plasma guns, can and will mince three squads of shootas just passing by. It was also fun to see a sea of orks try and stop three Dreads, only to be quite effortlessly torn to shreds by them. However, they kept my Dreads busy long enough for my brother to send in the special hero Deffdredd and several regular ones, which still turned into quite a melee before my units died.

Most satisfying though was being able to drop in Solaria and killing whatever she came across. Especially when backed by that Deathwatch Kill Team, who were armed with a missile launcher, she tore through the Solaria of the coworker and its Predator escorts without too much hassle.

All in all, while none of us were the sort of scrotum dippers who play games online, we did enjoy it and there were several moments of us cheering at cool moves or laughing out loud at the funny stuff.

My biggest quibble so far is that Solaria is so damned slow when on the move. Just because the Knight is a big stompy robot does not mean that its a slow machine! Also, repairing her took the best part of the game for me, meaning she had a lot of downtime.

However, this impression has been good enough for me to get the game. That it runs smoothly at a steady rate on high detail also helps. And joy of joys, the 27th is a National Holiday, so a day off!