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blackmage wrote: uhmm going 5-0 with that list means or you were very lucky with parings ur a top player
I consistently played people with similar battle points. Not winning every game in a land slide made me play players who also didnt win by land slides. I played each game to the best of my abilities and won them.
I'm not sure if your statement was a compliment, a put down or just a statement, but it seems to be untrue. The pairings weren't particularly lucky nor am I a top tier player. I just won the games I played. Thats all you can do, am I right?
Congrats on the finish! Did you face any Lord of War? What was your strategy?
blackmage wrote: uhmm going 5-0 with that list means or you were very lucky with parings ur a top player
I consistently played people with similar battle points. Not winning every game in a land slide made me play players who also didnt win by land slides. I played each game to the best of my abilities and won them.
I'm not sure if your statement was a compliment, a put down or just a statement, but it seems to be untrue. The pairings weren't particularly lucky nor am I a top tier player. I just won the games I played. Thats all you can do, am I right?
Blackmage is one of those people who say that anything but the most undercosted cheese units are garbage and uncompetitive. And then when someone wins with a list that blackmage has said is terrible, he then just says it was because all of the opponents at the tournament were terrible players or all took crippled fluff lists.
Not even joking, this literal thing has happened before, with him and another of the usual suspects on these forums. It's a common event unfortunately. Also happened to a recent winner of another big tournament, an Eldar player who took an Avatar. He got reamed for using a 'terrible list' and that 'the tournament must have been filled with bad players'. Even though it was one of the bigger tournaments in the US, attended by some of the top ranked players in the country.
But I guess it's like football. Armchair players always shout at the tv screen, thinking they know better than the actual coaches/players.
blackmage wrote: uhmm going 5-0 with that list means or you were very lucky with parings ur a top player
I consistently played people with similar battle points. Not winning every game in a land slide made me play players who also didnt win by land slides. I played each game to the best of my abilities and won them.
I'm not sure if your statement was a compliment, a put down or just a statement, but it seems to be untrue. The pairings weren't particularly lucky nor am I a top tier player. I just won the games I played. Thats all you can do, am I right?
Just ignore him, dude is a salt elemental from the plane of salt.
How well did morty do? I ran him in the Dallas Open earlier this year and he was a lot more resilient than I would have thought. I imagined he would be tabled T1, but never died until post T3, generally got to kill a target or two. Faced Tau, Necrons and Marines. I did terribly, because I am terrible at tournaments, but still had some good fun.
I faced three LoWs in the event, and maybe more if two 400+ pt Forgeworld Tau suits counted. I'd have to relook at his list.
In game one Morty was assaulted by a Knight with the big chain sword after taking fire from a Baneblade variant. Morty lived and ripped it apart in his counter swing. I rolled the 12 small swings, got 4 6's for DttFE, rolled big swings, then rolled 18 damage on them. I never killed the big tank that game, just ate fire and won on objectives. Next game I played Custodians with a Vostoyran Baneblade variant that has the big gun to kill Titanic models. Killed every other model that game and never shot at it once.
The Eldar soup player didnt have any. The Tyranid player didnt have any. The final Tau player had the two big ass FW suits. Killed one, avoided the other.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Morty was in the list to eat fire and maybe live while three bloat drones and two DPs made it to their lines without having to really take a save. The bloat drones went after troops and soaked insane fire. I would run Morty in every DG list, he punishes lists that can't put out enough heavy fire to kill him and provides a sure fire way to avoid everything else in your army from being shot until he is dead.
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Brymm wrote: I faced three LoWs in the event, and maybe more if two 400+ pt Forgeworld Tau suits counted. I'd have to relook at his list. In game one Morty was assaulted by a Knight with the big chain sword after taking fire from a Baneblade variant. Morty lived and ripped it apart in his counter swing. I rolled the 12 small swings, got 4 6's for DttFE, rolled big swings, then rolled 18 damage on them. I never killed the big tank that game, just ate fire and won on objectives. Next game I played Custodians with a Vostoyran Baneblade variant that has the big gun to kill Titanic models. Killed every other model that game and never shot at it once.
The Eldar soup player didnt have any. The Tyranid player didnt have any. The final Tau player had the two big ass FW suits. Killed one, avoided the other.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Morty was in the list to eat fire and maybe live while three bloat drones and two DPs made it to their lines without having to really take a save. The bloat drones went after troops and soaked insane fire. I would run Morty in every DG list, he punishes lists that can't put out enough heavy fire to kill him and provides a sure fire way to avoid everything else in your army from being shot until he is dead.
So you think Mortarion is worth taking just for being a huge fire magnet? I have thought about this before, but I never thought him to be worth that many points unless he gets to swing.
That said, I won all games I brought him, even though ne never saw turn 2... hum.
Oh yeah, and congratulations on that record, I love someone doing that well with actual plague marines like a proper Death Guard army
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
Yeah, the list worked great with the mission format. It was a combination of ITC with Maelstrom cards. I practiced with the cards and found the cards gave as many or more points than the end game scoring. So I made a list that claims the center of the board, kills ObSec units and has hard to remove ObSec guys to score objectives. LoC consistently scored line breaker and made 4 of 6 deep strike charges.
Blight Launchers were great too, highly recommend them especially near the Arch Contaminator.
Another interesting note: I used almost every command point on rerolls except I interrupted combat once and auto exploded drones twice.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and yeah, about Morty, he gave the opponents this false sense of security. In the final two games, my opponents acted and played as if they were winning as soon as Morty exploded. They lost because of that.
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i meant, usually with that kind of list (plague marines, Mortarion that are sub par right now), in competitive is hard get 5-0 so i was wondering that's all.
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Not even joking, this literal thing has happened before, with him and another of the usual suspects on these forums. It's a common event unfortunately. Also happened to a recent winner of another big tournament, an Eldar player who took an Avatar. He got reamed for using a 'terrible list' and that 'the tournament must have been filled with bad players'. Even though it was one of the bigger tournaments in the US, attended by some of the top ranked players in the country.
then I think you should read back better cause wasn't me for sure, or report me the lines where i said that, if not then dont state things untrue, thx.
But I guess it's like football. Armchair players always shout at the tv screen, thinking they know better than the actual coaches/players.
you can find me on Vassal for a game if you ever like, thx, wait for you there.
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Blaiming people for defending their opinion more pasinate than others and having a real good point when talking about competitive lists is not nice. State your opinion and claim your epxerience if you don't like mine ignore but none placed you here to judge others! I agree with black mage the list seems far for optimal and competitive . Seems lucky I agree but the winner explained his strat and results . Can happen but the truth is he struggled with a sub par list. Even if it did well and I don't say it didn't it was a good chunk of luck tournament rules dice etc . The list is not super refined and that's the truth!
Brymm wrote: Just went 5-0 with pure Death Guard at a 100+ person GT in the great city of Lansing, MI this weekend!
Spoiler:
GTDeathGuardGT (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [107 PL, 1999pts]
Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Chaos - Death Guard)
Lord of War
Mortarion
Selections: 1. Miasma of Pestilence, 5. Putrescent Vitality, 6. Curse of the Leper
Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Death Guard)
No Force Org Slot
Gifts of Decay (1 Relic)
HQ Daemon Prince of Nurgle
Selections: 3. Plague Wind, Malefic talon, The Suppurating Plate, Wings
Daemon Prince of Nurgle
Selections: 4. Blades of Putrefaction, 6. Arch-Contaminator, Fugaris' Helm, Hellforged sword, Warlord, Wings
Got dinged for a poor display board, no written theme and not winning 50-0 every game. My biggest win was 35-15. I'll be doing a whole event report this week. Death to the False Emperor!
Congrats on the wins! Looks like a really fun list to play, and play against. Looking forward to the read up. Just a question: did you find the triple plasma gun squads or the plasma + 2x blight launcher squads more useful?
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The Blight Launcher squads, hands down. I would have run the 4th squad as such but didn't have the bits.
In game, being near the Warlord (10 inches with the helm!) Let me reroll wounds. Most games the Plague Marines would be alive and shooting into turn 5 because everyone had to fight/shoot the drones, Morty or the Princes. Shooting twice always at full range even when advancing with no penalty thanks to being Death Guard seals the deal. Plus rolling hot with damage rolls gives you a higher damage ceiling with no risk in blowing up.
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you can find me on Vassal for a game if you ever like, thx, wait for you there.
I would never, ever, play a game against you or anyone like you.
Not because I think you're good and I'm scared of losing. Just because you would be zero fun to play against, win or lose.
no doubts about that looks like you know me, that's the typical excuse i wont play cause you bad, no you wont play cause you know you ll lose (sad you cant face a incompetent armchair player like me btw), btw is ok , enjoy.
Just to finish this, i just asked him how he got a 5-0 never joked with him or his list, i just gave an honest opinion that's all, if you play a list like that in ETC here in Italy you ll get a 0-5 so i wondered and asked him, period
PS: pls anyone dont like what i say, ignore me and save our time, tysm.
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you can find me on Vassal for a game if you ever like, thx, wait for you there.
I would never, ever, play a game against you or anyone like you.
Not because I think you're good and I'm scared of losing. Just because you would be zero fun to play against, win or lose.
no doubts about that looks like you know me, that's the typical excuse i wont play cause you bad, no you wont play cause you know you ll lose (sad you cant face a incompetent armchair player like me btw), btw is ok , enjoy.
...as usual, your reply makes so sense to what I wrote. I never said you were bad, and I never said I'd lose, I just said you're a terrible opponent. Not because of your skills, but because of your reprehensible attitude towards other people.
But this is just getting mean now, and I have no interest in spending my time belittling you. You're already on my ignore list, and will remain so.
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Brymm wrote: The Blight Launcher squads, hands down. I would have run the 4th squad as such but didn't have the bits.
In game, being near the Warlord (10 inches with the helm!) Let me reroll wounds. Most games the Plague Marines would be alive and shooting into turn 5 because everyone had to fight/shoot the drones, Morty or the Princes. Shooting twice always at full range even when advancing with no penalty thanks to being Death Guard seals the deal. Plus rolling hot with damage rolls gives you a higher damage ceiling with no risk in blowing up.
I did always wonder if plasma or blight was the way to go, they both seem to have their pros and cons. Blights are the fluffier option though, and it sounds like theyre a decent option in any case!
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Yoda79 wrote: Blaiming people for defending their opinion more pasinate than others and having a real good point when talking about competitive lists is not nice. State your opinion and claim your epxerience if you don't like mine ignore but none placed you here to judge others! I agree with black mage the list seems far for optimal and competitive . Seems lucky I agree but the winner explained his strat and results . Can happen but the truth is he struggled with a sub par list. Even if it did well and I don't say it didn't it was a good chunk of luck tournament rules dice etc . The list is not super refined and that's the truth!
Gotta say this seems like not the best comment. In my opinion making a list to suit the format which is what he did is very smart he then piloted it to 5 wins, the only thing i didnt like was the LOC that could have been sumthing cheaper with deepstrike. But then again its a tough nut to crack for holding obj, but if you are mainly using it for linebreaker there should be cheaper options.
Congrats on the wins and a good list for the format, im to much of a fan of PBC myself so my list would be different. But cant argue with results!!
I really like blight, with plasma I feel like I need a lord or DP nearby because the 1s are spooky, and you will want to overcharge to deal big numbers. With blight, I don't need to overcharge, and I always get 2 shots. I think it's a good swap for stats that make both fairly equal. Plasma will outshine blight at 18" while overcharged, but blight will outshine plasma almost every other time, the re-roll 1s to wound (or all with arch contaminator nearby) help make up for the strength lost. Plus, it's cheaper in points, and fluffy.
I am trying a plasma bomb today. 2 units of 5 with 3 plasma each in a Terrax assault drill. Turn 2 it pops up, unloads 6 plasma guns and between those and the melta gun the drill has, I think I have some decent beta punch. Was originally going to try melta, but daaang, melta is expensive! My game this evening is 4K, so by no means do tournament style list building apply. I'll be going for high toughness saturation, the centerpiece is a Renegade Porphyrion, I am underwhelmed with it's stats on paper, but have heard good things from IK players. The general list is:
2 winged DP malefic plaguecaster
2x5 plasma PM units
10 man CC unit
2 terrax assault drills
2 foul blightspawn
3 spitter drones
3 spitter PBC soulburner decimator
Porphyrion
Don't have squat for objective holding, but oh well. Usually I take a battalion or 2 of nurglings or cultists for objectives, buuuut I wanted to try bloodletter bomb again, after it did so insanely well against custodes last match! Good chunk of +T7 models, even if the porphyrion goes down quick, it will take a loot of shooting to do so. Might pop the 2CP cover strat if I go second, giving that thing a +2 save could be pretty nice.
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Any tips on dealing with stacked Alaitoc hit modifiers? A list full of supersonic flyers plus all the psychic powers and stratagems absolutely destroyed my ability to hit yesterday. 3xPBC in reroll aura were utterly useless, a knight managed to take two wounds off a fire prism before it got destroyed and even plaguespitters didn't achieve much since it's so easy for Eldar to stay out of range of them.
The biggest problem was fire prisms which are faster than any of our vehicles and have 60" ranges. Plaguespitters do a job against Hemlocks' (if you screen Hemlocks logical targets with FBDs or PBCs but that's rather limiting their effectiveness) but I'm stumped on a hard counter to FP spam?
Do I chuck some contemptors back in my lists for 2+ hits and lots of dice?
EDIT:
My list was
Winged DP (suppurating plate)
Lord (arch-contaminator)
3xPBC (plaguespitters)
3xFBD (plaguespitters)
7 Blightlords (plasma and axes, 1x mace)
Knight (battle cannon and thermal cannon)
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This looks like a great list, and congratulations on your wins. I do have one note though and that is that the fugaris helm doesn't affect warlord traits. It only increases the range of abilities on their datasheet. I believe this was mentioned in a faq as well.
nfe wrote: Any tips on dealing with stacked Alaitoc hit modifiers? A list full of supersonic flyers plus all the psychic powers and stratagems absolutely destroyed my ability to hit yesterday. 3xPBC in reroll aura were utterly useless, a knight managed to take two wounds off a fire prism before it got destroyed and even plaguespitters didn't achieve much since it's so easy for Eldar to stay out of range of them.
The biggest problem was fire prisms which are faster than any of our vehicles and have 60" ranges. Plaguespitters do a job against Hemlocks' (if you screen Hemlocks logical targets with FBDs or PBCs but that's rather limiting their effectiveness) but I'm stumped on a hard counter to FP spam?
Do I chuck some contemptors back in my lists for 2+ hits and lots of dice?
EDIT:
My list was
Winged DP (suppurating plate)
Lord (arch-contaminator)
3xPBC (plaguespitters)
3xFBD (plaguespitters)
7 Blightlords (plasma and axes, 1x mace)
Knight (battle cannon and thermal cannon)
uhave 6 models which shot 12 auto hits you should be able to deal with alaitoc, play a IK with double gatling 24 hits with re roll stratagem you should mitigate the -1/-2 to hit, prisms can have 60" but if you move properly you should be able to catch them they move just 16" and the table isn't infinite. I would think about some conptemtors or leviathan with 2xbutcher array
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I just reread the FAQs, not mentioned. This is news to me.
I checked YMDC and there doesn't seem to be a consensus there. Huh. My Battlescribe slaps Arch Contaminator right in there. Didn't occur to me that his Warlord aura wouldn't be affected and my opponents didn't correct me otherwise. It didn't come up that often but I know that it did more than once where I used the expanded bubble.
Anyone have anything official on this?
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nfe wrote: Any tips on dealing with stacked Alaitoc hit modifiers? A list full of supersonic flyers plus all the psychic powers and stratagems absolutely destroyed my ability to hit yesterday. 3xPBC in reroll aura were utterly useless, a knight managed to take two wounds off a fire prism before it got destroyed and even plaguespitters didn't achieve much since it's so easy for Eldar to stay out of range of them.
The biggest problem was fire prisms which are faster than any of our vehicles and have 60" ranges. Plaguespitters do a job against Hemlocks' (if you screen Hemlocks logical targets with FBDs or PBCs but that's rather limiting their effectiveness) but I'm stumped on a hard counter to FP spam?
Do I chuck some contemptors back in my lists for 2+ hits and lots of dice?
EDIT:
My list was
Winged DP (suppurating plate)
Lord (arch-contaminator)
3xPBC (plaguespitters)
3xFBD (plaguespitters)
7 Blightlords (plasma and axes, 1x mace)
Knight (battle cannon and thermal cannon)
uhave 6 models which shot 12 auto hits you should be able to deal with alaitoc, play a IK with double gatling 24 hits with re roll stratagem you should mitigate the -1/-2 to hit, prisms can have 60" but if you move properly you should be able to catch them they move just 16" and the table isn't infinite. I would think about some conptemtors or leviathan with 2xbutcher array
Three of those six models basically can't move without dismissing their main weapons against an army of hit modifiers, however. I got a bit gubbed with hammer and anvil deployment that meant I had three full turns before anything with a plaguespitter could reach his lines (which were obviously backed hard against his table edge).
I know the double gatling is the received wisdom on the Knight but I need a TAC list and it's always long range armour that I find I have trouble with. In this example, the knight was killed turn one with the fire prism stratagem and if he'd had two gating cannons he wouldn't have been able to shoot a single time.
I'm thinking I might chuck the terminators and FBDs for three contemptors and two helverins.
According to Reddit post linking to the GW Facebook page, the question was asked and answered by GW that it does indeed work with Arch Contaminator! I am not a dirty cheat!
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Brymm wrote: According to Reddit post linking to the GW Facebook page, the question was asked and answered by GW that it does indeed work with Arch Contaminator! I am not a dirty cheat!
Interesting. Can you post the link to the facebook article? Whenever I've tried to use the helm like this I've had people fight me over it, so I stopped doing it because I got tired of arguing about it. Also I wasn't trying to imply you were cheating.
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It's a hot debate for some, but I do recall that GW ruled it OK, I had forgotten to look for it in the FAQ that dropped, sad to see it wasn't included. I'll check BRB book, maybe it's in their too.
Warhammer 40,000 - We agree with Chris and Dave on this - that relic would indeed effect this Warlord Trait. That's certainly how we play it here in the office!
Though I'm not sure why there is an argument on this... the relic affects all auras, the trait is an aura. Give the relic to your warlord, profit.
Anyone arguing against this is ... I mean I'd say they're rules-lawyering, but really they're just making stuff up.
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Brymm wrote: Just went 5-0 with pure Death Guard at a 100+ person GT in the great city of Lansing, MI this weekend!
[spoiler]
GTDeathGuardGT (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [107 PL, 1999pts]
Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment (Chaos - Death Guard)
Lord of War
Mortarion
Selections: 1. Miasma of Pestilence, 5. Putrescent Vitality, 6. Curse of the Leper
Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Death Guard)
No Force Org Slot
Gifts of Decay (1 Relic)
HQ Daemon Prince of Nurgle
Selections: 3. Plague Wind, Malefic talon, The Suppurating Plate, Wings...........
Love this - good work! Run a similar list regularly but also regularly get smashed (I hate IG - never beat them!). You give me hope! I just need to get better - ha ha!
Yoda79 wrote: Blaiming people for defending their opinion more pasinate than others and having a real good point when talking about competitive lists is not nice. State your opinion and claim your epxerience if you don't like mine ignore but none placed you here to judge others! I agree with black mage the list seems far for optimal and competitive . Seems lucky I agree but the winner explained his strat and results . Can happen but the truth is he struggled with a sub par list. Even if it did well and I don't say it didn't it was a good chunk of luck tournament rules dice etc . The list is not super refined and that's the truth!
Gotta say this seems like not the best comment. In my opinion making a list to suit the format which is what he did is very smart he then piloted it to 5 wins, the only thing i didnt like was the LOC that could have been sumthing cheaper with deepstrike. But then again its a tough nut to crack for holding obj, but if you are mainly using it for linebreaker there should be cheaper options.
Congrats on the wins and a good list for the format, im to much of a fan of PBC myself so my list would be different. But cant argue with results!!
I agree mybe you missed the point on my post. He did a good job playing what he liked and played it well. No argue and congrats for the results. But when someone says his opinion like black mage we can't react like m...r..ns . I clearly state this list is not super ptimisez . And it's the truth. Can it ring results sure anything can win anything . Bad play or good play tour setup missions . Has nothing to do with the opinion that this list will most likely do bad in major tournaments . My opinion if you don't like it ignore? Simple. But I believe there are after the new faq some serious issues to face and with that list or the list it self will struggle . So please tell us about the list sure let my opinion mine thanks. You cn say yours
Yoda79 wrote: Blaiming people for defending their opinion more pasinate than others and having a real good point when talking about competitive lists is not nice. State your opinion and claim your epxerience if you don't like mine ignore but none placed you here to judge others! I agree with black mage the list seems far for optimal and competitive . Seems lucky I agree but the winner explained his strat and results . Can happen but the truth is he struggled with a sub par list. Even if it did well and I don't say it didn't it was a good chunk of luck tournament rules dice etc . The list is not super refined and that's the truth!
Gotta say this seems like not the best comment. In my opinion making a list to suit the format which is what he did is very smart he then piloted it to 5 wins, the only thing i didnt like was the LOC that could have been sumthing cheaper with deepstrike. But then again its a tough nut to crack for holding obj, but if you are mainly using it for linebreaker there should be cheaper options.
Congrats on the wins and a good list for the format, im to much of a fan of PBC myself so my list would be different. But cant argue with results!!
I agree mybe you missed the point on my post. He did a good job playing what he liked and played it well. No argue and congrats for the results. But when someone says his opinion like black mage we can't react like m...r..ns . I clearly state this list is not super ptimisez . And it's the truth. Can it ring results sure anything can win anything . Bad play or good play tour setup missions . Has nothing to do with the opinion that this list will most likely do bad in major tournaments . My opinion if you don't like it ignore? Simple. But I believe there are after the new faq some serious issues to face and with that list or the list it self will struggle . So please tell us about the list sure let my opinion mine thanks. You cn say yours
fun fact is i did not offended that list player i was only wonderin how he did 5-0 with a list I think is subpar that's all but someone felt perhaps stinged attacked me for nothing.
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