Death Guard Tactica

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**pesusieni999**

Planning a new list for the first game of 9th. I am conflicted on whether to go with Daemon Prince with or without wings. If with, then what to take out of the list. Also I am a bit open on what plague company to take.

The idea is that the DP will move forward with the trio of crawlers to put pressure to the enemy. Plasma marines will foot slog and open up to opponents in midfield. The melee marines will go with the Foul Blightspawn to the Rhino and drive forward as fast as possible. Finally the LoC and Blightlords will deepstrike and support the aggressive push made by the melee marines and crawlers.

The idea is not to be super competitive (and I don't have Terrax Drill), but we do try to play as well as we can.

Spoiler:

**blackmage**

chaos PA are nearly unplayable unless you play less competive games, expensive, 1 single wound, no great doctrines/abilities, any time a new edition came out, chaos players try to play PA like loyalist marines and always fail, 9th will be no different, i alreday have some games and really pa sucks tons. Chaos have better choices in heavy support and elite and characters, not sure power armors.The only playble pa are terminators, no reason to play large blobs or plagues over a 10 man unit of blightlords supported by spawn, they are impossible to charge and hard to dislodge with firepower, pm die easily.

**lare2**

It's sad to say but I'm thinking along the same lines. At first I was excited by War of the Spider and it does give some neat tricks to PM but I reckon they'll still die super quick. Hopefully the new codex will help but for now I'm thinking my troops will be nurglings.

**blackmage**

lare2 wrote:
It's sad to say but I'm thinking along the same lines. At first I was excited by War of the Spider and it does give some neat tricks to PM but I reckon they'll still die super quick. Hopefully the new codex will help but for now I'm thinking my troops will be nurglings.

nurglins are one of best troops in the game actually, cheap, annoying and surprisingly resilients for just 18 poinst/model, with nurgling infestation they are a pain in the ass, add an herald with fleshy abundance e they are 100 times better than any Pm to hold obiectivem and they dont need a rhino, they are on obectives turn 1. If i play demons i would play at least 25 of them, they give the quick board control you need.

Spoiler:

**lare2**

Pretty similar to my main DG/Daemon list. Just run a patrol though - 3 units of nurglings and Pox to heal my PBC.

**blackmage**

i run demon battalion cause DG troops arent good that is the only reason

**Sazzlefrats**

blackmage wrote:
i run demon battalion cause DG troops arent good that is the only reason

Its not hard to get PM with T5, 3+5++ and DR4+ one unit of 20 and I don't see them going away anytime fast.

**Brymm**

I think in this edition, Rhino based PMs are gonna be the bees knees. They are entirely different and fill a different role than Nurglings and I don’t think they are mutually exclusive.

**Dr.Duck**

Hey guys.. Old Chaos player looking to maybe play some DG this year. Been a bit busy and im hoping yall could help me out with a quick shopping list, so I can get started painting asap.

**Jidmah**

Dr.Duck wrote:
Hey guys.. Old Chaos player looking to maybe play some DG this year. Been a bit busy and im hoping yall could help me out with a quick shopping list, so I can get started painting asap.

Try hunting down two sets of the 8th edition starter sets before they disappear - you get very good value out of them and a decent starting army.

**Cmdr_Sune**

Have anyone considered using Chaos spawns. I've ordered 5 Chtulhu daemons that I will use as Spawns since the GW ones are way to expensive and ugly and my first 2 conversions looked horrible.

For 115 pts you get 20W, T5, 5+++ (with strat). With 4W a piece and fnp a lot of anti tank fire is pretty ineffective against them.
You also get 1D6+1 (+random spawn effect) attacks on charge with ap-2 d2. Although hitting on 4+.

I see them as a great independent working unit that can clear and hold an objective on the flank.

**Jidmah**

You can also explode them for mortal wounds

Care to link the models you bought?

**Dr.Duck**

Ill prob get the Death May Die Season 2 board game Get quite a few models for 50

**lare2**

Sazzlefrats wrote:
blackmage wrote:
i run demon battalion cause DG troops arent good that is the only reason

Its not hard to get PM with T5, 3+5++ and DR4+ one unit of 20 and I don't see them going away anytime fast.

I don't really feel Daemon's Toll for PM. -3AP weapons aren't gonna be targeting your PM. 3CP for Putrid Fecundity is pretty hefty as well.

You can make them T7 with Putrescent Vitality and Fabius Bile. That has crossed my mind. MBH would put them on a 2+, making them potentially T7, 2+, 5++, 4+++. Pretty expensive both points and CP wise though.

**Sazzlefrats**

lare2 wrote:
Sazzlefrats wrote:
blackmage wrote:
i run demon battalion cause DG troops arent good that is the only reason

Its not hard to get PM with T5, 3+5++ and DR4+ one unit of 20 and I don't see them going away anytime fast.

I don't really feel Daemon's Toll for PM. -3AP weapons aren't gonna be targeting your PM. 3CP for Putrid Fecundity is pretty hefty as well.

You can make them T7 with Putrescent Vitality and Fabius Bile. That has crossed my mind. MBH would put them on a 2+, making them potentially T7, 2+, 5++, 4+++. Pretty expensive both points and CP wise though.

You will have a type mismatch with that combo... Bile takes his army from Codex: Chaos Space Marines... plague marines there are not death guard infantry, and MBH only provide for death guard infantry. If it did work... yeap, I like it. I figured that 5+ invulnerable is good in case of plasma spam, use inexorable to limit charges, almost makes a case for a heavy flamer in a PM squad. I'm thinking about it anyhow.

**lare2**

Fabius can be brought in a CSM patrol. This way he's still allowed to buff a Death Guard unit. With his little helpers you can then pretty much guarantee a toughness buff... if you wanted.

**Cmdr_Sune**

Jidmah wrote:
You can also explode them for mortal wounds

Care to link the models you bought?

Bought them from Aliexpress and they were not so cheap, but I wanted to get the scale right. They will be on 50 mm bases.
First one was the bottom right one (G) in this link.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_dVVlYNF
Then "K" and "O" from this seller.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_dTRiUnf
Finally "12" and "13" from this one.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_dZCSYdL

Er, perhaps I'm not allowed to post these links on Dakka, but I can't find anything about it in the rules.

These sellers had some other better ones too, but those were not in stock.

**blackmage**

Sazzlefrats wrote:
blackmage wrote:
i run demon battalion cause DG troops arent good that is the only reason

Its not hard to get PM with T5, 3+5++ and DR4+ one unit of 20 and I don't see them going away anytime fast.

too much points/cp invested for 1 single wound troop that relay anyway on warptime, i prefer 1 billion time blightlords with same identical role, lot more durable they hit harder and can handle themselves.

**Cmdr_Sune**

Well you will have to use cloud of flies on the PMs to make the big blob work. You will also need to deploy them with care if your opponent gets the first turn which is the most risky part. A blight hauler next to them might be a good idea.

PM blob:
- Tough
- Obsec
- Virulent rounds
- Grenades
- 80 shots with volleys
- Good CC when buffed
- Cheaper

BL "blob":
- Very tough
- Much better antitank with plasma or melta (but very expensive)
- Deep strike
- Can work without multiple buffing characters
- Very good CC when buffed

They both have their place. I'm running 20 PMs and 5 Blighlords in my current list along with Daemon engines (and Chaos spawns when I get them).

**Jidmah**

Cmdr_Sune wrote:
Er, perhaps I'm not allowed to post these links on Dakka, but I can't find anything about it in the rules.

These sellers had some other better ones too, but those were not in stock.

There are no rules against posting links to legal stuff.

Some great models among those. Too bad shipping prices from the US are completely insane right now (regular parcels are ranging somewhere from 120 to 250), so I'll have to wait.

**Cmdr_Sune**

Jidmah wrote:
Cmdr_Sune wrote:
Er, perhaps I'm not allowed to post these links on Dakka, but I can't find anything about it in the rules.

These sellers had some other better ones too, but those were not in stock.

There are no rules against posting links to legal stuff.

Some great models among those. Too bad shipping prices from the US are completely insane right now (regular parcels are ranging somewhere from 120 to 250), so I'll have to wait.

It was free shipping, at least to Sweden.

**BleachHawk**

Cmdr_Sune wrote:

Finally "12" and "13" from this one.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_dZCSYdL
.

I'm using those as spawns as well, they're from 7 Deadly Sins and perfectly fit the nurgle theme imho.

Perhaps I'll invest in some of the other models you've linked and try a spawn heavy list, thank you!

**Sazzlefrats**

lare2 wrote:
Fabius can be brought in a CSM patrol. This way he's still allowed to buff a Death Guard unit. With his little helpers you can then pretty much guarantee a toughness buff... if you wanted.

That's sweet!

**Dr.Duck**

Cmdr_Sune wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
You can also explode them for mortal wounds

Care to link the models you bought?

Bought them from Aliexpress and they were not so cheap, but I wanted to get the scale right. They will be on 50 mm bases.
First one was the bottom right one (G) in this link.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_dVVlYNF
Then "K" and "O" from this seller.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_dTRiUnf
Finally "12" and "13" from this one.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_dZCSYdL

Er, perhaps I'm not allowed to post these links on Dakka, but I can't find anything about it in the rules.

These sellers had some other better ones too, but those were not in stock.

Are those prices on Ali 10 or so bucks for 1 model?

**Vortenger**

I bought Deep Madness just to cannibalize it for Chaos Daemons and Spawn. I'm using the same, though the 7 Sins #13 ended up as a Beast of Nurgle for me. Excellent choices! Incidently, 7 Sins #32 and it's ilk serve pretty well as Plague Toads of Nurgle in my local area and people like them far more than the Forgeworld ones.

Great minds think alike!

**lare2**

First 9th tourney yesterday. 3 games and ran mono death guard. All my daemons are unpainted and I wanted my 10pts. First games of 9th for me as well. Lost all 3 but each one was crazy tight. Even the 2nd game, during which I thought I was getting pummelled, ended up really tight because of the new scoring.

Initial thoughts: love 9th; love terrain; secondaries are very important and should be chosen wisely; must remember to play to the objectives (both primary and secondary); i love having CP to use now; Poxmongers is very good; I dislike fighting Iron Hands!

**Cmdr_Sune**

Dr.Duck wrote:

Are those prices on Ali 10 or so bucks for 1 model?

Unfortunately yes, they are not cheap.

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Vortenger wrote:
I bought Deep Madness just to cannibalize it for Chaos Daemons and Spawn. I'm using the same, though the 7 Sins #13 ended up as a Beast of Nurgle for me. Excellent choices! Incidently, 7 Sins #32 and it's ilk serve pretty well as Plague Toads of Nurgle in my local area and people like them far more than the Forgeworld ones.

Great minds think alike!

Never though about buying a box

They do fit DG and Nurgle very well.

I will see how one unit of 5 fares. They do seem to be tough and can punch quite well in CC. My idea for them is to either hold a backfield objective or take a flank objective. Although it is tempting to have them in the 5++ aura, casting Miasma on them and the having Cloude of flies on a PM blob behind them.

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lare2 wrote:
First 9th tourney yesterday. 3 games and ran mono death guard. All my daemons are unpainted and I wanted my 10pts. First games of 9th for me as well. Lost all 3 but each one was crazy tight. Even the 2nd game, during which I thought I was getting pummelled, ended up really tight because of the new scoring.

Initial thoughts: love 9th; love terrain; secondaries are very important and should be chosen wisely; must remember to play to the objectives (both primary and secondary); i love having CP to use now; Poxmongers is very good; I dislike fighting Iron Hands!

Good to hear. What was your list and what armies did you play against?

**Dr.Duck**

Other than Nurglings and PBCs, what are the staple models in DG? support characters etc?

**blackmage**

Dr.Duck wrote:
Other than Nurglings and PBCs, what are the staple models in DG? support characters etc?

blightlords, Pd, blightspawn, in mortarion's sons company could be good a plague surgeon

**Eldenfirefly**

Actually, if DG wants to take nurglings, it has to take a seperate detachment right? If you just take one nurgle detachment with DG and nurglings, you won't get the DG traits right?