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2017/03/03 23:21:30
Subject: Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
I'm trying to find which primarch was the last one left to watch over the Imperium, and why they decided to abandon it. Any sources for this would be appreciated.
2017/03/03 23:40:38
Subject: Re:Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
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Jesus Ass-spelunking Christ... I started a response and my fething computer shut down on me. Take 2, only this time, I'll make a post and edit as I go.
Lion'el Jonson was the first to fall. He didn't even make it to the Second Founding.
Corvus Corax was next. He broke up his Legion and then told the Imperium they could take this job and shove it.
Khan then took a wrong turn into the Warp.
Guilliman got pwned.
Leman Russ went next.
Dorn got pwned.
Vulkan went last.
Lion'el Jonson
Spoiler:
Jonson, wracked with grief over the inability of his Dark Angels to reach Terra in time to prevent the fall of the Emperor during the Siege of Terra at the end of the Horus Heresy, returned to Caliban...Jonson, who had been briefly spirited away into the Warp during the destruction of Caliban, eventually emerged and was taken into a hidden and unreachable chamber deep within the heart of The Rock by the Watchers in the Dark and placed into stasis to keep him alive.
Jaghatai Khan
Spoiler:
Jaghatai fought alongside his sons of the White Scars for another 70 standard years following the end of the Horus Heresy, eventually disappearing in 084.M31 when he traveled into a region of space known as the Maelstrom.
Corvus Corax
Spoiler:
Knowing that Guilliman's vision was true, Corax grudgingly split his remaining forces into the new Second Founding Successor Chapters, but after pondering for hours as to what should be done to atone for his sins, he decided to administer the Emperor's Peace to the remaining aberrant Raven Guard mutants personally, praying for both their souls and his. Wracked with guilt following the executions, Corax locked himself in his personal chamber in the Ravenspire, the Raven's Tower, begging for the recently-ascended Emperor's mercy. Nobody knows if Corax received the absolution he prayed for, but a year to the day after he had locked himself into the Ravenspire, he left the tower and the world of Deliverance itself on a course toward the Eye of Terror, never to be seen again.
Rowboat Girlyman
Spoiler:
Guilliman would meet eventually his ultimate fate during the Battle of Thessala in 121.M31
Vulkan
Spoiler:
The ultimate fate of the Salamanders' Primarch is a matter of much conjecture, for he disappeared many years after the Horus Heresy. Some sources state that Vulkan led his Chapter for three entire millennia before he departed on some mission he never declared to the Imperium at large, though scant evidence of any of his deeds throughout that age remain. The tale is made all the more mysterious by the fact that Vulkan appeared to have left behind him a text, called the Tome of Fire, within which is locked the nature and location of nine artefacts the Primarch willed to his Chapter. It said that over one thousand standard years after the events of the Horus Heresy, Vulkan hid these nine artefacts around the galaxy for his Chapter to find, as a test to see if they were worthy of his leadership.
Leman Russ
Spoiler:
All that is known for sure is Leman Russ vanished in 211.M31
Rogal Dorn, the Dumbest Primarch
Spoiler:
Rogal Dorn is believed to have "died" in 781.M31 whilst fighting a Chaos Fleet during the 1st Black Crusade
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Jaghati Khan: 084 M31
Russ: 211 M31
Vulkan: I can't find an exact date for when he first dissappered, save "After the heresy" (my gut feeling is it was immediatly after) he reappered 1500 years later for the war of the beast however.
Corax: left for the eye of terror approx 1 year after the second founding (which I wanna say is 22 M31)
Dorn: according to the Lexucanum he died soon after Corax dissappered.
Gulliman: technicly never left. but was wounded in 121 M31. he has as we know, since returned.
So best I can detirmine, the BEST answer would be Lemen Russ.
Automatically Appended Next Post: responding to Norton's comment, I did my own research and as far as I can tell the b it about him falling fighting the black crusade was something I could only find on the 40k wiki (and thus concluded it was someone going "chaos? musta been in the black crusade) I'm curious though if you had a source on it being the black crusade from a reliable source. for my own education.
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2017/03/04 00:04:34
Subject: Re:Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
Automatically Appended Next Post: responding to Norton's comment, I did my own research and as far as I can tell the b it about him falling fighting the black crusade was something I could only find on the 40k wiki (and thus concluded it was someone going "chaos? musta been in the black crusade) I'm curious though if you had a source on it being the black crusade from a reliable source. for my own education.
Just copy-pasting gak. I have no idea where it came from, but that he disappeared then seems pretty canon. I'd like to think he died and the imperium is better off without his less-than-brilliant thinking. Vulkan was definitely last, though.
Automatically Appended Next Post: responding to Norton's comment, I did my own research and as far as I can tell the b it about him falling fighting the black crusade was something I could only find on the 40k wiki (and thus concluded it was someone going "chaos? musta been in the black crusade) I'm curious though if you had a source on it being the black crusade from a reliable source. for my own education.
Just copy-pasting gak. I have no idea where it came from, but that he disappeared then seems pretty canon. I'd like to think he died and the imperium is better off without his less-than-brilliant thinking. Vulkan was definitely last, though.
only if we take war of the beast as him still being around, even though he'd left and come back for that. which you could argue is like saying Gulliman is the last cause he's alive and kicking right now.
honestly the time line among primarchs right now is something I'm not sure I'd take as set in 100% stone, at least with a lot of them given how vague the details are, I half expect it to be... "clarified" down the road
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2017/03/04 23:20:02
Subject: Re:Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
I guess the questions I have at this point revolve around Leman Russ and Vulkan. One of the two of them was left there when Dorn went and
Spoiler:
fell down some stairs
and said "Looks like I'm all that's left of the Emperor's vision. ... ...Bye!"
Corax & Leman Russ I can see abandoning the Imperium on some kind of eccentric quest, but Vulkan... I think that more than any of them, he's the one that stinks. Why would the most friendly primarch leave the Imperium all alone?
That also reminds me, whatever happened to Imperium Secondus? Did the Emperor just dying for all purposes of leadership not meet the criteria?
2017/03/04 23:41:50
Subject: Re:Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
I guess the questions I have at this point revolve around Leman Russ and Vulkan. One of the two of them was left there when Dorn went and
Spoiler:
fell down some stairs
and said "Looks like I'm all that's left of the Emperor's vision. ... ...Bye!"
Corax & Leman Russ I can see abandoning the Imperium on some kind of eccentric quest, but Vulkan... I think that more than any of them, he's the one that stinks. Why would the most friendly primarch leave the Imperium all alone?
That also reminds me, whatever happened to Imperium Secondus? Did the Emperor just dying for all purposes of leadership not meet the criteria?
after the heresy Gulliman was de facto emperor for a time.
2017/03/05 02:19:48
Subject: Re:Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
Corax & Leman Russ I can see abandoning the Imperium on some kind of eccentric quest, but Vulkan... I think that more than any of them, he's the one that stinks. Why would the most friendly primarch leave the Imperium all alone?
Trazyn stole him.
2017/03/05 04:57:02
Subject: Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
Wow, ok. So if I've got this right, there Guilliman, Dorn, Russ, and Vulkan were, all that remained to reliably lead the Imperium, and Guilliman decided to appoint himself Emperor. The others agreed, and then, as the Emperor, he got himself stabbed by Alpharius. So then, the Imperium needs a new Emperor-level authority to lead it, Russ, Dorn, and Vulkan just refused to... and then Leman Russ decided "You know what, you two are enough to watch things while I'm gone, I'm going to leave. Not saying why. Bye!" And so it was Dorn and Vulkan, just those two. So at this point, I guess they just decided that the High Lords are as good as a Primarch and went out to try to stop the first Black Crusade (Vulkan was there, right?) and Dorn fell down some stairs and died. So at this point, Vulkan knows he's all that's left of the Emperor's wisdom to lead the Imperium, and...
...Decides to leave it all to see if his own chapter (and by extension all of mankind) is "worthy of his leadership".
...And this was Mr. Nice Guy primarch...
....And then he turned up like 1,500 years later, only to be abducted by a mentally ill Necron shortly thereafter.
Do I have that about right?
2017/03/05 05:00:58
Subject: Re:Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
not quite, we don't know WHEN Vulkan left. it's very much unclear. we also can't be sure when EXACTLY Dorn died. (there is some contridictory info) so yeah we can't be sure of a number of things.
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2017/03/06 01:12:00
Subject: Re:Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
Lion'el Jonson was the first to fall. He didn't even make it to the Second Founding.
Ferrus Manus
then Sanguinius
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2017/03/06 02:05:52
Subject: Re:Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
Lion'el Jonson was the first to fall. He didn't even make it to the Second Founding.
Ferrus Manus
then Sanguinius
I figured we didn't need to mention them. My bad.
"First, Ferrus allowed his best buddy Fulgrim to give him the worst haircut ever. Then, Sangunius decided being the most likable Primarch was too much of a burden and asked Horus for help with that." Better?
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Quarterdime wrote: Wow, ok. So if I've got this right, there Guilliman, Dorn, Russ, and Vulkan were, all that remained to reliably lead the Imperium, and Guilliman decided to appoint himself Emperor. The others agreed, and then, as the Emperor, he got himself stabbed by Alpharius. So then, the Imperium needs a new Emperor-level authority to lead it, Russ, Dorn, and Vulkan just refused to... and then Leman Russ decided "You know what, you two are enough to watch things while I'm gone, I'm going to leave. Not saying why. Bye!" And so it was Dorn and Vulkan, just those two. So at this point, I guess they just decided that the High Lords are as good as a Primarch and went out to try to stop the first Black Crusade (Vulkan was there, right?) and Dorn fell down some stairs and died. So at this point, Vulkan knows he's all that's left of the Emperor's wisdom to lead the Imperium, and...
...Decides to leave it all to see if his own chapter (and by extension all of mankind) is "worthy of his leadership".
...And this was Mr. Nice Guy primarch...
....And then he turned up like 1,500 years later, only to be abducted by a mentally ill Necron shortly thereafter.
Do I have that about right?
Nope.Girlyman got himself stabbed by Fulgrim. There are no reliable records about what happened after Dorn's death. For all we know, Vulkan spent the next 1,500 years leading the Imperium to greatness, accidentally dropped his cigar in the Imperial Recordsroom and accidentally burned away 1500 years of history, and decided to sort it out by playing chess with the Coolest Necron Ever... at which point he got roofied.
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Trazyn doesn't have Vulkan. According to The Gathering Storm, the "giant in baroque armor" was an Adeptus Custode, not a Primarch.
As for Dorn, we know that it was NOT Abaddon's first Black Crusade, as ADB had personally requested covering the death of Dorn in the Abaddon series and was denied, being told that the Black Crusade that took Dorn was not led by Abaddon.
2017/03/06 04:31:37
Subject: Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
jareddm wrote: Trazyn doesn't have Vulkan. According to The Gathering Storm, the "giant in baroque armor" was an Adeptus Custode, not a Primarch.
As for Dorn, we know that it was NOT Abaddon's first Black Crusade, as ADB had personally requested covering the death of Dorn in the Abaddon series and was denied, being told that the Black Crusade that took Dorn was not led by Abaddon.
...That could only mean that Dorn either didn't die until at least the 4th Black Crusade, or he didn't die in a Black Crusade at all. What a mess
2017/03/06 04:46:35
Subject: Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
jareddm wrote: Trazyn doesn't have Vulkan. According to The Gathering Storm, the "giant in baroque armor" was an Adeptus Custode, not a Primarch.
As for Dorn, we know that it was NOT Abaddon's first Black Crusade, as ADB had personally requested covering the death of Dorn in the Abaddon series and was denied, being told that the Black Crusade that took Dorn was not led by Abaddon.
...That could only mean that Dorn either didn't die until at least the 4th Black Crusade, or he didn't die in a Black Crusade at all. What a mess
Black crusades aren't just abaddon, those are just the "big ones" I suspect it means Dorn died before the 1st black crusade
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2017/03/06 05:02:41
Subject: Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
jareddm wrote: Trazyn doesn't have Vulkan. According to The Gathering Storm, the "giant in baroque armor" was an Adeptus Custode, not a Primarch.
As for Dorn, we know that it was NOT Abaddon's first Black Crusade, as ADB had personally requested covering the death of Dorn in the Abaddon series and was denied, being told that the Black Crusade that took Dorn was not led by Abaddon.
...That could only mean that Dorn either didn't die until at least the 4th Black Crusade, or he didn't die in a Black Crusade at all. What a mess
Black crusades aren't just abaddon, those are just the "big ones" I suspect it means Dorn died before the 1st black crusade
Correct. There are other Black Crusades besides Abaddon's.
2017/03/06 08:15:50
Subject: Who was the last primarch to leave the Imperium?
Quarterdime wrote: Well that's weird because the list of the 13 Black Crusades includes Black Crusades that apparently didn't involve Abbadon.
all of them where involving abbaddon somehow, he may not have taken part personally but he instigated and planned the 13. according to Lexnicum, Dorn was killed in an unrelated black crusade in 034 M31
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