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Hastings:

not "radically" but certainly not as close to the original as this. I'm just going off a vague description of almost a year ago but this image doesn't fit it.

Im still in team real camp. Those bits don't come from anywhere else and things like the weapon are not a mix match of different tiny bits from loads of kits, it just doesn't look like it is, way too clean.

 AveImperator wrote:

Ruin wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
I just wish they'd make all marines truescale. I'm sure there's a creative way to make it work.

Space Marines are already in scale. Its certain other human models (Cadians being the most notable offenders) that are out of whack. If this image turns out to be a conversion, the proof is right there next to him. Demolition Man is in scale with a SM.

Try it next time you see someone with some Death Korps or something. You'll be surprised how big the SMs are.

Are you sure about that?

Yes, note how their shoulders are not on the same level. SMs are supposed to be 7ft tall (add in the fact practically every SM model is standing with their feet apart (the new TS are not apparently) and they can look a little shorter, go on, get in that pose yourself and see how much height you lose). They're not these super huge 10ft tall giants that people seem to think they are.

The problem with this being true is that it is both great and annoying at the same time.

Great, there are proper scale marines.

Damn, my whole army is invalidated and looks ridiculous and now I have to remortgage my house to replace them.

The re-scaling should have happened a long time ago.

I WANT the rumor of "true scale" Space Marines to be true.

I don't think this picture is it, though that doesn't disprove anything either.

I'm afraid we're just going to have to wait to find out.

urgh...that damn picture man!
...so, I saw it lastnight, (I had been awake for 30+ hours at the time, in my defence ) and I was instantly dead-sure it was just another sweet truescale conversion...and attempted to prove that the torso, and at least part of the gun were from the devastators box...looking at everything more closely (and after getting some much-needed sleep), I'm really not sure...I mean, it still could be those parts, but they would've required some pretty neat modifying if they are...

...now I'm just super curious to see if this thing's real or not...it could still be a good conversion, or it could actually be just a (bad, and quite odd) pic of a real new gw product...I just don't bloody know now...

*grabs popcorn*...I look forward to continuing to watch this thread though

I usually take such claims with a healthy pinch of sodium chloride. But this one has a photo to back it up, descriptions are from reddit and tie in somewhat with the photo


There will be new Marines that will be true scale or larger than the usual Marines. They take two heads to a guard of the Astra Militarum. - certainly larger and on a 32mm base, the gait of the legs is much further apart than that of the current plastics on a 32mm base.
They will be equipped with a new type of armor , which would be Mark IX or Mark X. - Armour is mk 8(ish) in configuration, higher gorget, vents on the chest piece, seems to be a base plater with pectoral plates on top and the deaths head on top of that, there's also cabling visible in the midriff armour. Traditional winged deaths head we've seen before. Thigh and foot armour also chunkier than previous marks, shoulder pads look standard (why change when GW/FW have so many variants that could be slotted in later.) The bolter arm is in a traditional 90 degree pose we find currently and pistol arm is is in a similar 160 degree open position as we see on current marines. Head looks like in keeping with the current crop of bareheads for SM's we see GW produce. Backpack to my eye (at the top at least) looks a little chunkier than usual and theres a distinct panel in the top of the backpack moulding which is new. Belt also appears to have some sort of skull relic atached to it too. The right kneepad has a quite Sigmarineesque flare on it.

New armament : longer bolt rifle, resembling an assault rifle. The bolt pistol also changes, it seems to have been fused with an automatic pistol. - not so sure here, standard bolter in overall configuration with longer barrel, doesn't look quite straight to me, bit where the front sling attachment is looks a bit mishapen, box mag could be off a stormbolter, ejection port(s) look different and the bits above it, moving back to a more common rear detail of the bolter, also have a nice strap. Muzzle is also extended and the targeter. There a look of the 'hacked about' combi weapon to me. Bolt pistol is very different to anything we've seen before, cant see an extending mag fitted.

From the blood (genetic seed?) Of Roboute Guilliman , modified by techno-priests. - Aren't these just UM's duh?!?!?! Would the returned Robbie G accept his gene-seed being tampered with ??

They will be faster, agile and stronger than normal Marines. - Of course, superUM's .... just what the galaxy needs

One of the armor greaves looks like the Stormcast Eternals . - Agreed there's a element of Sigmarine about these. Why is the banner erased?????

On the wrist of the armor they carry a strange device, a data reader or something like that. - Looks very similar to those the DW have on their forearms to me, built in auspex?


So we have the time of ending well and truly with us, is this an expansion and moving forwards of the 40K timeline into M42 - the Imperiums' gone to the dogs, enemies on all sides, Chaos at the gates .... what next? Could possible be a Custodesque version of SM's - times are that bad the orignal Astartes aren't enough, so would this make theses the ultimate, ultimate defenders of humanity - in blue of course .... Still treating this degree of suspicion.

From the photo why get it with a old last chancers IG model with Orcs in background, where might this have come from? Is it a conversion? If so it's very, very well executed no visible cut n glue lines, plastic colour is uniform, to my eye this looks like it might be a starter set type model, i.e not many parts rather than the now traditional multipart SM model. Why is that banner scrubbed out - that's my biggest bugbear here???

It does have a starter set feel - but it doesn't seem ornate enough for super wonder marinz. Not that I'm complaining mind you. I hate painting overly busy detail that can't just be done with ink.

I think you are putting the chicken before the egg philbrad. The user clearly saw this photo, it doesn't make it real. (doesn't make it false either obviously)

Or it's the same person that made a kick ass conversion, and decided to have a wee wind up.

Again, could be legit all the same.

I'm still amazed that some are doubting the rumour, considering Hastings has corroborated it. That's basically as good as an announcement from GW. The model in the picture may or may not be a conversion, but the existence of new, larger Space Marines in new armour seems pretty certain to me.

I know that they could be "Nu-Marines", but has anyone considered the possiblity that these will actually Replace the normal Space Marine kit? (As they are more True Size)

 crumby_cataphract wrote:
I'm still amazed that some are doubting the rumour, considering Hastings has corroborated it. That's basically as good as an announcement from GW. The model in the picture may or may not be a conversion, but the existence of new, larger Space Marines in new armour seems pretty certain to me.

The rumour existing doesn't prove the model, and disproving the model doesn't disprove the rumour

 commander dante wrote:
I know that they could be "Nu-Marines", but has anyone considered the possiblity that these will actually Replace the normal Space Marine kit? (As they are more True Size)

Hastings has advised us not to expect many more updates for the current chapters, so I'd say that that sounds very likely indeed.

I'll never understand why so many people seem to have such an ardent belief that "truescale" marines are really how marines should look.

While some truescale projects do produce cool-looking stuff, your beloved 7 feet tall superheroes still have a single wound each and will fall to enough lasgun shots (or to being hit with enough wooden sticks).

 Korinov wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people seem to have such an ardent belief that "truescale" marines are really how marines should look.

While some truescale projects do produce cool-looking stuff, your beloved 7 feet tall superheroes still have a single wound each and will fall to enough lasgun shots (or to being hit with enough wooden sticks).

Personal preference. Probably at least as many reasons for it as there are people who like the idea.

 commander dante wrote:
I know that they could be "Nu-Marines", but has anyone considered the possiblity that these will actually Replace the normal Space Marine kit? (As they are more True Size)

They could totally do that but the current Tactical Squad is basically brand new so replacing it this soon seems premature. Especially when they could have been updating the Land Raider and Land Speeder kits.

 Korinov wrote:
I'll never understand why so many people seem to have such an ardent belief that "truescale" marines are really how marines should look.

While some truescale projects do produce cool-looking stuff, your beloved 7 feet tall superheroes still have a single wound each and will fall to enough lasgun shots (or to being hit with enough wooden sticks).

I dunno if I had to choose between the number 2 written on a piece of paper or gorgeous models that tower over lesser humans like the giants they are, providing striking visuals both in the cabinet and on the tabletop, I know what I would prefer.

True scale makes em look cooler and that's all the reason you need.

For what's it worth (i.e. not much) Faeit insider 'confirms' the model pic is genuine:
"The image of the new marine is genuine and sprues have been seen of these new marines. They reflect true scale marines, but are not kitbashed, these are genuine GW prints."

(Edit: removed the misleading pic, it was fan art. Sorry about that.))

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 commander dante wrote:
I know that they could be "Nu-Marines", but has anyone considered the possiblity that these will actually Replace the normal Space Marine kit? (As they are more True Size)

Hastings has advised us not to expect many more updates for the current chapters, so I'd say that that sounds very likely indeed.

I'm not sure that follows.

At present, I can't think of a Space Marine unit that doesn't have any models? The only kit really in need an update are the Bikers. Other than that their range is perfectly serviceable.

Hence, there's little need to provide them with updates.

The more I look at the image the more I'm inclined to think the black scribbled out area isn't a banner. Current Space Marine range tends to have an indent in the top of the backpack for a small flat square piece where the whole banner would attach. This backpack looks similar in design to the top of the Multi Melta one from the current Devastators; you can just about make out the top of the backpack and with the angle of the photo gives the impression that nothing is attached on top (or at least not in the conventional/current sense).

This isn't to say the banner attaches by some other means (like a pole coming out the back as opposed to the top) but the scrubbed area could be removing an identifying characteristic from one of the models behind that would give away where this image came from (i.e. someones hobby table).

There's certainly little details that suggest this is a new model; the chest plate is a different shape to anything before, there are straight lines around the pectoral plate (previous chest plates have been curved and this is sitting somewhere as a cross between MKIII/MKIV armour, Scout torso and a hint of Mechanicus Kataphron), there's vents under the armpits and additional cabling on the inside of the legs (which going by memory as I'm on holiday and nowhere near my bitz box I last saw on the Custodes). The inside of the shoulder pad rim on the right arm looks like it has less vents (unless that's a product of the image quality and is in fact hidden by the collar).

There are certain design aesthetics shared with the other 40K ranges; the bolter looks to be a mixture of Marine combi weapon, Cypher's bolt pistol and elements of Mechanicus, the wrist comm shares elements with the Deathwatch and the head similar to the Marine Centurions which would make sense given GW use CAD and this would tie the ranges together.

The only niggle about the model I have is the gap in the drum mag of the bolter; it might be like that so if held across the chest in typical bolter pose it would fit around the belt/reliquary on the waist but I can't help but feel I've seen it before. Unless of course there's a bit missing or if an actual model it would feature additional guns where this is filled in for such an open pose).

It doesn't look like a photoshopped image; the only obvious bit of editing is the black scribble but that's not to say it's a screenshot taken of a doctored image which was then further edited (the black mark) as that would go some way of hiding any tweaks to the file.

I was a believer that this was a brilliant conversion but after staring at the image for a bit (and tidying it up; dialling back the noise and sharpening the image (with my typical noob hamfisted approach to all things computer) - see attached) and noticing all the little details I'm not so sure... I'll stay on the fence for now but whichever way this goes I really like it.

LordShaft.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 commander dante wrote:
I know that they could be "Nu-Marines", but has anyone considered the possiblity that these will actually Replace the normal Space Marine kit? (As they are more True Size)

Hastings has advised us not to expect many more updates for the current chapters, so I'd say that that sounds very likely indeed.

I'm not sure that follows.

At present, I can't think of a Space Marine unit that doesn't have any models? The only kit really in need an update are the Bikers. Other than that their range is perfectly serviceable.

Hence, there's little need to provide them with updates.

Ah, yeah, you're right. I misread dante's question. I suppose that would suggest these will exist alongside the old range rather than supplanting it? At least for a while?

There's rumours of devvies too. The basis of the multipart SM's are now approaching 20 years old even with various 'tart ups' on subsequent releases.

More I see this the more I think this is a new standard astartes., GW could be revamping the SM range in line with a 8th ed rollout. If they follow current patterns a core box of tacts/devs/jump packs could serve as a core for any future SM update.

SM models have slow been getting bigger. Deathwatsh are slightyl bigger than standard marines. I've put a (converted) Sigmarine I have as an =I= against a current SM and IG models and the phot is around the same size.

If anything I'd put an each-way bet on this being the core of a new SM's range of plastics.


PhilB

 Crimson wrote:
A new pic purportedly showing the new ultraultras next to the old ultras: (EDIT: could be fan art, researching now.)

Oh dear lord, that design is dreadful. (though still better than the centurions) - I hope its fan art, and greatly fear it is not.

Carlovonsexron wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
A new pic purportedly showing the new ultraultras next to the old ultras: (EDIT: could be fan art, researching now.)
image truncated for brevity

Oh dear lord, that design is dreadful. (though still better than the centurions) - I hope its fan art, and greatly fear it is not.

Now that looks like Guilliman.

It's fanart from 2015. Google's Search By Image is a very useful thing.

 Crimson wrote:
A new pic purportedly showing the new ultraultras next to the old ultras:

Blargh, it seems they will really be different from normal marines, I don't like this... And if the're ultra only, it will be even worse...

Also, the armours in this picture don't look much like the one in the model pic (which looks way better.)

It's from Deviantart by a user called Concubot and has been around since November 2015 (judging by the earliest comments):

http://concubot.deviantart.com/art/Ultramarines-572672108

LordShaft.

Edit: Pipped to the post by Frozen!

 Crimson wrote:
For what's it worth (i.e. not much) Faeit insider 'confirms' the model pic is genuine:
"The image of the new marine is genuine and sprues have been seen of these new marines. They reflect true scale marines, but are not kitbashed, these are genuine GW prints."

(Edit: removed the misleading pic, pretty sure it was not new.)

I want to believe... Darn Faeit. Quit playing games with my heart!

Thank our spiritual liege!!

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
It's fanart from 2015. Google's Search By Image is a very useful thing.

Yeah. I realised this soon after posting and edited. Someone linked it at B&C with a link to a Facebook page where people seemed to present it as a new leaked pic.

That's a very good point; I too have been assuming that the blacked out part is the Marine's back banner but looking closer it clearly can't be:
First, you can see almost the entire top ridge of the backpack and there's no attachment point.
Second, a sergeant banner would be parallel to the shoulders at rest and stick vertically upward; in this pose that would mean it was twisted to the right and tilted forward a bit, which would leave a much different shadow if blacked out.
Third, you can see the top of what looks like it could be a painted banner at the top of the blanked portion and it is very nearly square to the camera.

So I agree it's probably an identifiable custom banner, most likely held by one of the Orcs behind the Marine, rather than a backpack banner.