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The White Dwarf will certainly be host to an expansion or two, just like with the other games released so far.

Yep good news. Hopefully now that GW realise they dropped the ball on this they will keep up the support. A game like Shadow war strikes me as a good way to shift terrain kits and encourage impulse buys of infantry boxes.

That regimental standard was excellent. A new Necromunda when it arrives would be good, but if they also added new background which was of similar quality to the original, now that would be something.

Would be interesting to see if they kept the cyberpunk western vibe that the original Necromunda had, yes.

Canadians looking for a copy should check meeplemart, they seem to have a good amount currently for pre-order.

Awesome that more gangs are in. Hoping we get a softback or hardback.

As someone who hasn't played any Games Workshop games since Necromunda I was very tempted to pick up the boxed game so it's a shame that a full reprint of the boxed game doesn't seem to be on the cards. I know they have said they would make all the components available but having it discounted in a ready to play box was much more tempting and a lot easier to impulse buy without trying to think about possible squad lists and buying the correct boxes.

Aeneades wrote:
As someone who hasn't played any Games Workshop games since Necromunda I was very tempted to pick up the boxed game so it's a shame that a full reprint of the boxed game doesn't seem to be on the cards. I know they have said they would make all the components available but having it discounted in a ready to play box was much more tempting and a lot easier to impulse buy without trying to think about possible squad lists and buying the correct boxes.

Buying the correct boxes?

Barring Mission Specialists, isn't every kill team in the game out of just one single box except for SM scouts (which for some reason have a separate box for sniper rifles)?

I suppose you can use the command and infantry box for IG vets too. Everything else is exactly what it says on the tin though.

Not exactly. Eldar would "possibly" require Dire Avengers (comically priced), a box of Guardians, and possibly a grav platform depending on you get your guardians.

Specialists would require two more plastic boxes.

I don't know if anyone else has written to GW but I did.. and here's the response I got.

Thank you so much for taking the time to put down your thoughts in this email with regards to Shadow War Armageddon, and of the impact of some of our previous business decisions. We do take all feedback very seriously from our customers, so this email has been passed on to the relevant heads of departments to look into.

At this moment in time, it is only the web allocation that has sold out, and the box will be available in our stores and independent retailers on Saturday the 8th of April, so there is still hope for you to get hold of a box. To find a store near you, please use our Store Finder (see link below):

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US//store/storefinder.jsp

If you still find the set unavailable to you (no local stores), then we do individually offer the miniatures on our web store (the box set features existing Space Marine and Ork miniatures). Also, as shown in White Dwarf, the scenery will be available individually soon. The rules content is currently exclusive to the box, but the following was posted just today on our Community page:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/05/shadow-war-armageddon-rules-support/

TL;DR- We will be making the rules for this game are more widely available, very soon.

Thanks again for your email, apologies for any inconvenience, and should you need anything further, please let me know.

Kind regards

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EDIT:
Further update from additional conversation

Well the terrain is right around the corner. Hopefully, we won't have to wait much longer on learning the new plan for the rules content.

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Haha I love that they gave you an actual "TL;DR" summary.

What Craftworld Eldar need is more non Wraith infantry in plastic Rangers would have been a good fit for this kind of game.

Watching this thread intently for the noise produced when GW release the rulesbook in whatever format,looking forward to that myself hope it's a physical book though prefer that not the only one either.

Manchu wrote:
Haha I love that they gave you an actual "TL;DR" summary.

Yeah, it's a way different tone than last time I talked to GW.. though.. that involved the Chapterhouse case.. but still.. this was super fast and cordial..

As long as it's not just a 50$ apple-only ipad dealie. Because believe it or not, some of us don't own ipads.

 u971 wrote:
Watching this thread intently for the noise produced when GW release the rulesbook in whatever format,looking forward to that myself hope it's a physical book though prefer that not the only one either.

I updated my post. Customer Service doesn't know the plans just yet.. but from what I posted above that says to me physical book at some point..

 NobodyXY wrote:
Canadians looking for a copy should check meeplemart, they seem to have a good amount currently for pre-order.

Awesome that more gangs are in. Hoping we get a softback or hardback.

Thanks! Got my order in.

 MLaw wrote:
I don't know if anyone else has written to GW but I did.. and here's the response I got.

Just out of curiosity, where did you send the email to? I would be willing to take the time to send them an email about my thoughts on the release of the new game, and hopes for a new Necromunda.

Manchu wrote:

 RexHavoc wrote:
It says the exact same thing it did Saturday

Incorrect. On Saturday, the message was that they would sell a digital version. Today's message is that the rules will be available again - format undisclosed. Furthermore, there was no mention on Saturday of making more lists available.

 RexHavoc wrote:
they waited until half way through the week

LOL do you think the employees were just sitting around villainously twirling their moustaches? First, they have their regular work to do beyond damage control for the weekend feeding frenzy. Second, it's not just a matter of snapping one's fingers and the perfect solution - whatever that may be - magically appears. Third, after reaching a decision on how to try to solve this they still need to see if that is logistically feasible. A response within three workdays, vague though it may be, is a huge step in the right direction for a company that only shortly before barely acknowledged the existence of the humans buying their products.

Not incorrect at all. So they went from saying 'digital download' to saying in 'some format'. That's the same thing. If they no longer meant a digital download they would have said. Sure, if you over analyse and read between the lines, it MIGHT mean they are looking at a reprint. But for all intents and purposes, the are just saying the rules will be available, which is exactly the message they gave out on Saturday. I'm not interested in reading between lines from a company that is trying to sell me something, I'm going to take what they SAY at face value. Its not my job to decode an advert.

They mentioned during the live stream that, over the coming months, white dwarf would be printing stuff to tie in with this release including new rules and lists. So the new lists were not included in Saturdays message. It still doesn't make it new information, they are just repeating old news to a wider audience, a clever way to pad out what would have been otherwise an incredible short article.

The point about it being the middle the week is more this: Have you actually read today's announcement. Its dreadful. I'm not expecting someone with a masters degree in language to be working their community site, but a little proof reading never hurt anyone.

"Don’t worry though – we we have some good news for you."
"We will be making the rules for this game are more widely available, very soon."

My point is, I wasn't expecting some grand announcement telling us we were all going to be receive a reprint personally delivered to our door by Duncan, but it took them 3 working days to write that and post it up? It is almost cut and paste from their facebook replies on Saturday, and it says nothing of interest, and certainly nothing of any real substance, that we haven't already seen before. It would have taken someone 5 minutes on a monday morning to post something to say, "sorry guys, we are working on a solution, we have no clue how we are going to fix, but we will!"

But waiting till Wednesday evening is joke. I understand there is other things for them to work on, but no other business works like this. Any other business would have that rushed, cut & paste message up monday morning, and they might not have an answer anytime soon, but they wouldn't wait three working days to post what amounts to nothing more than an advertisement for the terrain coming next week.

Sure, I agree its a step in the right direction from how they were several years ago. But its still not good enough for them to escape criticism, when they screw up. Our money shouldn't just fall into their tills, they need to earn it.

 Slayer Dragonwing wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
I don't know if anyone else has written to GW but I did.. and here's the response I got.

Just out of curiosity, where did you send the email to? I would be willing to take the time to send them an email about my thoughts on the release of the new game, and hopes for a new Necromunda.

Oddly enough, the contact us link on the GW-store. It's at the bottom. The responded crazy fast too.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

Exactly. Buy a scout box & an ork box. The rules will come out on their own (either officially or not so officially ) later, or in the next rulebook. The terrain will be sold (remember the Tau wall that was lmtd edition too?) separately in several months....

and what did I say?

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/ShadowWar/SWA_Killteams_ENG.pdf

boom!

 RexHavoc wrote:

Manchu wrote:

 RexHavoc wrote:
It says the exact same thing it did Saturday

Incorrect. On Saturday, the message was that they would sell a digital version. Today's message is that the rules will be available again - format undisclosed. Furthermore, there was no mention on Saturday of making more lists available.

 RexHavoc wrote:
they waited until half way through the week

LOL do you think the employees were just sitting around villainously twirling their moustaches? First, they have their regular work to do beyond damage control for the weekend feeding frenzy. Second, it's not just a matter of snapping one's fingers and the perfect solution - whatever that may be - magically appears. Third, after reaching a decision on how to try to solve this they still need to see if that is logistically feasible. A response within three workdays, vague though it may be, is a huge step in the right direction for a company that only shortly before barely acknowledged the existence of the humans buying their products.

Not incorrect at all. So they went from saying 'digital download' to saying in 'some format'. That's the same thing. If they no longer meant a digital download they would have said. Sure, if you over analyse and read between the lines, it MIGHT mean they are looking at a reprint. But for all intents and purposes, the are just saying the rules will be available, which is exactly the message they gave out on Saturday. I'm not interested in reading between lines from a company that is trying to sell me something, I'm going to take what they SAY at face value. Its not my job to decode an advert.

They mentioned during the live stream that, over the coming months, white dwarf would be printing stuff to tie in with this release including new rules and lists. So the new lists were not included in Saturdays message. It still doesn't make it new information, they are just repeating old news to a wider audience, a clever way to pad out what would have been otherwise an incredible short article.

The point about it being the middle the week is more this: Have you actually read today's announcement. Its dreadful. I'm not expecting someone with a masters degree in language to be working their community site, but a little proof reading never hurt anyone.

"Don’t worry though – we we have some good news for you."
"We will be making the rules for this game are more widely available, very soon."

My point is, I wasn't expecting some grand announcement telling us we were all going to be receive a reprint personally delivered to our door by Duncan, but it took them 3 working days to write that and post it up? It is almost cut and paste from their facebook replies on Saturday, and it says nothing of interest, and certainly nothing of any real substance, that we haven't already seen before. It would have taken someone 5 minutes on a monday morning to post something to say, "sorry guys, we are working on a solution, we have no clue how we are going to fix, but we will!"

But waiting till Wednesday evening is joke. I understand there is other things for them to work on, but no other business works like this. Any other business would have that rushed, cut & paste message up monday morning, and they might not have an answer anytime soon, but they wouldn't wait three working days to post what amounts to nothing more than an advertisement for the terrain coming next week.

Sure, I agree its a step in the right direction from how they were several years ago. But its still not good enough for them to escape criticism, when they screw up. Our money shouldn't just fall into their tills, they need to earn it.

Maybe step back and take a breather. They have to have actually finished the action for it to be declared a screw up. You can choose to not take it on good faith that they had no idea this would be sold short. That's your decision. You can even decide that they are intentionally trying to piss of potential customers.. that's a strange decision but it's yours to make. What you can't decide is that this matter is concluded and final judgement is ready to be rendered. Until that time, maybe consider a hobby (snicker).. There's a lot of horrible stuff going on right now for people of just about any persuasion to be bent out of shape over.. GW trying to release a game and hitting some (slightly amusing) stumbling blocks are probably the most petty things a person could choose to be upset over in this day and age.

Those have been out for a few days - just the "lists" for the factions not included in the actual rulebook. No rulebook content, and no guard/orks/marines.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

Exactly. Buy a scout box & an ork box. The rules will come out on their own (either officially or not so officially ) later, or in the next rulebook. The terrain will be sold (remember the Tau wall that was lmtd edition too?) separately in several months....

and what did I say?

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/ShadowWar/SWA_Killteams_ENG.pdf

boom!

boom again!

"The Scenery

- a selection of brand new scenery pieces – ........................each available separately, .................on your gaming table..

They plan to sell it on its own...

We knew the terrain was coming separately anyway. They're in the White Dwarf.

My local store allocated had four people sign up for preorders before Saturday (and unfortunately they are only getting 4 copies, not the 12 they asked for), and GW online sold out before I was able to to send payment at 1005 AM. So I've been doing a bit of hunting.

So here's a heads up to all my fellow Americans who missed out : The War Store has a few copies left for phone order (Mine was 126 with their priority flat rate shipping), you can reach them at 6317650047. I hope a few more of you can get your hands on a copy!

 MLaw wrote:

Spoiler:

 RexHavoc wrote:

Manchu wrote:

 RexHavoc wrote:
It says the exact same thing it did Saturday

Incorrect. On Saturday, the message was that they would sell a digital version. Today's message is that the rules will be available again - format undisclosed. Furthermore, there was no mention on Saturday of making more lists available.

 RexHavoc wrote:
they waited until half way through the week

LOL do you think the employees were just sitting around villainously twirling their moustaches? First, they have their regular work to do beyond damage control for the weekend feeding frenzy. Second, it's not just a matter of snapping one's fingers and the perfect solution - whatever that may be - magically appears. Third, after reaching a decision on how to try to solve this they still need to see if that is logistically feasible. A response within three workdays, vague though it may be, is a huge step in the right direction for a company that only shortly before barely acknowledged the existence of the humans buying their products.

Not incorrect at all. So they went from saying 'digital download' to saying in 'some format'. That's the same thing. If they no longer meant a digital download they would have said. Sure, if you over analyse and read between the lines, it MIGHT mean they are looking at a reprint. But for all intents and purposes, the are just saying the rules will be available, which is exactly the message they gave out on Saturday. I'm not interested in reading between lines from a company that is trying to sell me something, I'm going to take what they SAY at face value. Its not my job to decode an advert.

They mentioned during the live stream that, over the coming months, white dwarf would be printing stuff to tie in with this release including new rules and lists. So the new lists were not included in Saturdays message. It still doesn't make it new information, they are just repeating old news to a wider audience, a clever way to pad out what would have been otherwise an incredible short article.

The point about it being the middle the week is more this: Have you actually read today's announcement. Its dreadful. I'm not expecting someone with a masters degree in language to be working their community site, but a little proof reading never hurt anyone.

"Don’t worry though – we we have some good news for you."
"We will be making the rules for this game are more widely available, very soon."

My point is, I wasn't expecting some grand announcement telling us we were all going to be receive a reprint personally delivered to our door by Duncan, but it took them 3 working days to write that and post it up? It is almost cut and paste from their facebook replies on Saturday, and it says nothing of interest, and certainly nothing of any real substance, that we haven't already seen before. It would have taken someone 5 minutes on a monday morning to post something to say, "sorry guys, we are working on a solution, we have no clue how we are going to fix, but we will!"

But waiting till Wednesday evening is joke. I understand there is other things for them to work on, but no other business works like this. Any other business would have that rushed, cut & paste message up monday morning, and they might not have an answer anytime soon, but they wouldn't wait three working days to post what amounts to nothing more than an advertisement for the terrain coming next week.

Sure, I agree its a step in the right direction from how they were several years ago. But its still not good enough for them to escape criticism, when they screw up. Our money shouldn't just fall into their tills, they need to earn it.

Maybe step back and take a breather. They have to have actually finished the action for it to be declared a screw up. You can choose to not take it on good faith that they had no idea this would be sold short. That's your decision. You can even decide that they are intentionally trying to piss of potential customers.. that's a strange decision but it's yours to make. What you can't decide is that this matter is concluded and final judgement is ready to be rendered. Until that time, maybe consider a hobby (snicker).. There's a lot of horrible stuff going on right now for people of just about any persuasion to be bent out of shape over.. GW trying to release a game and hitting some (slightly amusing) stumbling blocks are probably the most petty things a person could choose to be upset over in this day and age.

Someone isn't allowed to criticize an obvious mistake by GW in a thread about a GW game on a gaming message board because bad things happen in the world? That is ridiculous. Since we are deciding what other people can and can't do, I declare that you aren't allowed to be so ridiculous.

 Sabotage! wrote:
My local store allocated had four people sign up for preorders before Saturday (and unfortunately they are only getting 4 copies, not the 12 they asked for), and GW online sold out before I was able to to send payment at 1005 AM. So I've been doing a bit of hunting.

This is worrisome indeed.

My local store ordered ten boxes, here's hoping he's getting at least six or so then, otherwise there may be a scrum to get it first amongst those who pre-ordered.

 RexHavoc wrote:
So they went from saying 'digital download' to saying in 'some format'. That's the same thing.

No, it is quite obviously not the same thing. No "reading between the lines" is necessary. They posted X on FB. They removed that post. Today, they have said something other than X. Speculating on what "something other than X" might mean is not required to understand that "X" and "something other than X" are different.

 RexHavoc wrote:
But waiting till Wednesday evening is joke.

They didn't wait til Wednesday. The FB post went up very quickly after the US site stock sold through. Somebody thought that a digital release was a sufficient solution. The customers said otherwise directly to GW using a venue GW created for that purpose. I think it is probably significant that GW withdrew the statement about offering a digital product in favor of a statement that was not specific about format - especially considering that customers responded to the first statement with requests for hard copies.

As for the time frame - This is the reality of a company communicating with its customers in real time about resolving a supply/demand issue. I trust that if they did know with certainty what the details of a re-release would look like then they would tell us. And the context is, they don't really need to tell us anything, as demonstrated for a decade. Basically, I am completely in favor of GW responding to fans in hours/days, even if the response includes a few typos, as opposed to NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES as in the bad old days.

None of this consitutes GW "escaping criticism" - this whole thing is actually an example of GW responding to criticism. It's like, people are so used to this not happening at all, and GW being generally terrible, that they even with a much, much better GW they still can only complain.

Finally - the live stream comment about additional WD content ... YES posting this on the Community page is still a big deal because it also demonstrates that GW is responding to the apparent demand for this product. Maybe it was not important enough to mention except off-handedly in a live stream only X number of people would be watching. But after the stock blowout, GW understand that this is something worth mentioning in a more prominent way - namely because it directly responds to what customers have been telling them since Saturday, both in terms of words and in terms of sales.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

Exactly. Buy a scout box & an ork box. The rules will come out on their own (either officially or not so officially ) later, or in the next rulebook. The terrain will be sold (remember the Tau wall that was lmtd edition too?) separately in several months....

and what did I say?

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/ShadowWar/SWA_Killteams_ENG.pdf

boom!

That has been on the site since saturday, as has the scenery.....boom

do you guys think this game can be the next big tournament game?
I mean the rules are a lot better than the current 40k, games are smaller and faster and a 2 day campaign is possible.
also no big teams which means it is easier to adept to local meta (regarding the used terrain etc) and it gives much more possibility for modelling/convert stuff

at least I don't see a reason to stick with 40k except that there are no Titans available

 krazynadechukr wrote:

and what did I say?
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/ShadowWar/SWA_Killteams_ENG.pdf
boom!

boom?
this pdf is available since the box get into pre-order and the new box collections were put on the HP, and it is missing the teams from the box
so you still need the box game if you want to play Orks for now