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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/03 16:40:51
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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[DCM]
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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/apr/03/medieval-villagers-mutilated-the-dead-to-stop-them-rising-study-finds
A study by archaeologists has revealed certain people in medieval Yorkshire were so afraid of the dead they chopped, smashed and burned their skeletons to make sure they stayed in their graves.
The research published by Historic England and the University of Southampton may represent the first scientific evidence in England of attempts to prevent the dead from walking and harming the living – still common in folklore in many parts of the world.
The archaeologists who studied a collection of human bones – including the remains of adults, teenagers and children excavated more than half a century ago, and dated back to the period between the 11th and 14th century – rejected gruesome possibilities including cannibalism in times of famine, or the massacre of outsiders. The cut marks were in the wrong place for butchery, and isotope analysis of the teeth showed that the people came from the same area as the villagers of Wharram Percy in North Yorkshire – a once flourishing village which had been completely deserted by the early 16th century.
The archaeologists studied 137 pieces of broken human bones, found in the pits of the village. Their conclusion, published on Monday in the Journal of Archaeological Science: Reports, is that the most plausible explanation for the burn marks and cuts found on the skulls and upper body bones was deliberate mutilation after death. The scientists believe the intention was to keep the dead from walking and spreading disease or attacking the living.
Simon Mays, skeletal biologist at Historic England, said: “The idea that the Wharram Percy bones are the remains of corpses burnt and dismembered to stop them walking from their graves seems to fit the evidence best. If we are right, then this is the first good archaeological evidence we have for this practice.”
He added: “It shows us a dark side of medieval beliefs and provides a graphic reminder of how different the medieval view of the world was from our own.”
Medieval sources offer various remedies for dealing with the restless dead, believed to be individuals who were evil or cursed in life and still bore a grudge against the living in death. Solutions included digging up and decapitating or burning the skeletons. The condition of the Wharram Percy bones suggests that the bodies were decapitated quite soon after death, when the bones were still soft, and burned.
Only the ruined church, a few cottages, and a series of humps and bumps in the fields remain of Wharram Percy, once a prosperous village with two manor houses and dozens of more humble houses. It was extensively excavated in the 20th century, and is one of the best documented of thousands of villages which were eventually abandoned due to plague, depopulation, or changing agricultural practice.
The bones were from at least 10 individuals aged between two and 50, including seven adults, two of them women, and three very young children. They were excavated in the 1960s when archaeologists were investigating the foundations of a house, but had not been studied in detail until now. They were buried in three overlapping pits, between the houses, some distance from the church and graveyard.
The scientists rejected cannibalism – not uncommon in times of famine, and revealed at several English sites including the Ice Age human remains at Cheddar Gorge – as an explanation because those cut marks would typically be at the joints, not clustered around the head.
The scientists also wondered if the people represented by their fragmented remains could have been outsiders, regarded with suspicion by the villagers. However analysis of the isotopes in some of the teeth – which can give a distinctive signature revealing where the individual lived in childhood when the teeth grew – showed that they were very local.
Alistair Pike, professor of archaeological sciences at Southampton, said: “Strontium isotopes in teeth reflect the geology on which an individual was living as their teeth formed in childhood. A match between the isotopes in the teeth and the geology around Wharram Percy suggests they grew up in an area close to where they were buried, possibly in the village. This was surprising to us as we first wondered if the unusual treatment of the bodies might relate to their being from further afield rather than local.”
When the bones were found in the 1960s the archaeologists thought they were probably older than the village, and belonged to early Romano-British settlers whose remains were disturbed and reburied by the villagers. The truth has proved to be more sinister.
• This article was amended on 3 April 2017. An earlier version said the study was published in the Journal of Archaeological Science.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/03 16:43:26
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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More clear evidence that Dawn of the Dead is documentary rather than fantasy. Time to practice my crossbow skills.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/03 17:11:18
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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I was in Dent in west Yorkshire a few weeks ago (beautiful place). A chap there who in the 18th century died at the age of 94, is still impaled to this day by a brass stake underneath the village church, the villagers having decided he was rising at night to feast on them. You can still walk right over him, and given he now hasn't risen for over 300 years, it must really work.
edit - this guy -
http://www.museumsintheyorkshiredales.co.uk/dent-vampire.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/03 18:02:14
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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I'm sure there's a joke about Yorkshiremen and zombies here but I don't wanna break forum rules
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/03 18:24:04
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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Mighty Vampire Count
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Well I don;t see any Zombies so it must have worked
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/03 19:29:30
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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They are not zombies, they are more like vampires, according to the Radio 4 interview.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/03 20:35:43
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/03 21:25:45
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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goes along with the fairly widespread 'stone in mouth' burials in Ireland and Britain also thought to be to prevent the corpses misbehaving
http://www.vampires.com/archeologists-discover-vampire-skeletons-in-ireland/
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 03:54:32
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
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I thought this was zombie related, or equivalent.
Stopping zombies rising is a good idea.
Stopping vampires rising spoils the fun.
Vampires would be awesome. Considering writing a will intending that I want to be buried whole,in Yorkshire, wearing a black cloak lined with red velvet, a flash waistcoat and extra glossy hair gel. Death is gonna be so much fun.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 12:17:39
Subject: Re:Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Its weird to have all these traditions. Usually folklore has some bit of truth in it. Why so many myths about the dead rising to do harm?
I think feeder is right. Time to recheck the .22 count and run through the new .22 I have. The zombies are just waiting people, waiting! Automatically Appended Next Post: Orlanth wrote:I thought this was zombie related, or equivalent.
Stopping zombies rising is a good idea.
Stopping vampires rising spoils the fun.
Vampires would be awesome. Considering writing a will intending that I want to be buried whole,in Yorkshire, wearing a black cloak lined with red velvet, a flash waistcoat and extra glossy hair gel. Death is gonna be so much fun.
Actually if you look up the non Hollywood/Stoker myths they are more ghouls and its a really crappy existence. Make yourself aware of where all the nearby running water is though, just in case they come calling.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 12:47:47
Subject: Re:Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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[DCM]
Moustache-twirling Princeps
Gone-to-ground in the craters of Coventry
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They were waiting people. Now they're walking people.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 12:49:50
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Braaaaaiiiinzzzzzz....
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 12:52:09
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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[DCM]
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Ah, bless ya Frazz.
All we need are some Cricket Bats. Soon get the Undead menace sorted out.
TALLY HO!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 13:05:56
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:.22
Ah, bless ya Frazz.
All we need are some Cricket Bats. Soon get the Undead menace sorted out.
TALLY HO!
Roger that. I have 55,000 rounds of .22, two whole sets of golf clubs, and have access to a herd of old wiener dogs. You clear the British Isles, and I'll clear the Gulf Coast. Australia's wildlife will clear Australia. From these strategic points we can liberate the rest of the continents. We're in it for the species people!
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 13:30:50
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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I remember watching a documentary about this kind of stuff. I think the series was about the myths and folklore of creatures, like vampires.
As we began to introduce more preservatives to our food and diets, we began to decay slower. This then made people worry that their now dead loved ones were unholy creatures.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 13:36:06
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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[DCM]
Chief Deputy Sub Assistant Trainee Squig Handling Intern
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Frazzled wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:.22
Ah, bless ya Frazz.
All we need are some Cricket Bats. Soon get the Undead menace sorted out.
TALLY HO!
Roger that. I have 55,000 rounds of .22, two whole sets of golf clubs, and have access to a herd of old wiener dogs. You clear the British Isles, and I'll clear the Gulf Coast. Australia's wildlife will clear Australia. From these strategic points we can liberate the rest of the continents. We're in it for the species people!
What? I'm not liberating the French again!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 13:39:27
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I hear you. I am sure the sons the Le Emperor will be able to employ stale French Bread as usable weaponry and liberate France by themselves (unless the zombies are German of course...)
What about Sweden? Who's going to protect the Swedish Bikini Team from the Zombie Menace?
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 13:48:22
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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[DCM]
Chief Deputy Sub Assistant Trainee Squig Handling Intern
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Their big, burly Vikings.
Duh.
Which reminds me of a suitable topic for the Geek Media forum...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 15:00:05
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Their big, burly Vikings.
Duh.
Which reminds me of a suitable topic for the Geek Media forum...
I am saddened about this lack of concern for the Swedish Bikini Team.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 15:07:10
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[DCM]
Moustache-twirling Princeps
Gone-to-ground in the craters of Coventry
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Frazzled wrote:
I am saddened about this lack of concern for the Swedish Bikini Team.
Male or female?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 15:32:00
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Think about it.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 16:14:40
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Zombies are real. Archaeology has proven it. Archaeology speaks truth. It is known. I am pretty sure they are hiding the real reason the village was abandoned...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 17:26:02
Subject: Re:Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
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Frazzled wrote:Its weird to have all these traditions. Usually folklore has some bit of truth in it. Why so many myths about the dead rising to do harm?
I think feeder is right. Time to recheck the .22 count and run through the new .22 I have. The zombies are just waiting people, waiting!
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Orlanth wrote:I thought this was zombie related, or equivalent.
Stopping zombies rising is a good idea.
Stopping vampires rising spoils the fun.
Vampires would be awesome. Considering writing a will intending that I want to be buried whole,in Yorkshire, wearing a black cloak lined with red velvet, a flash waistcoat and extra glossy hair gel. Death is gonna be so much fun.
Actually if you look up the non Hollywood/Stoker myths they are more ghouls and its a really crappy existence.
Strigoi!  O Frazzie, you spoil everything.
Frazzled wrote:
Make yourself aware of where all the nearby running water is though, just in case they come calling.
I live in a tower block at present so by best answer is to stand in the toilet and continuous flush.
Think it may work?
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 17:33:39
Subject: Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Hey what could go wrong.
I live in Texas if its not actively raining its a drought.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 18:42:16
Subject: Re:Medieval villagers mutilated the dead to stop them rising, study finds
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Frazzled wrote:Its weird to have all these traditions. Usually folklore has some bit of truth in it. Why so many myths about the dead rising to do harm?
The ring of truth is that it was really hard to tell if someone was dead in the old days. Therefore, people actually did get up after everyone thought they were dead. Mostly because, they weren't dead yet!
The Victorians had a particularly wierd phobia about being buried alive for the same reason. It is hard to tell if someone is really dead without modern equipment.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 19:11:53
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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really? I always thought not breathing did it. I knew Dad was gone the moment well he was gone.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 22:27:04
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Easy E wrote: Frazzled wrote:Its weird to have all these traditions. Usually folklore has some bit of truth in it. Why so many myths about the dead rising to do harm?
The ring of truth is that it was really hard to tell if someone was dead in the old days. Therefore, people actually did get up after everyone thought they were dead. Mostly because, they weren't dead yet!
The Victorians had a particularly wierd phobia about being buried alive for the same reason. It is hard to tell if someone is really dead without modern equipment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_coffin
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/05 22:55:34
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The last 'execution' of a vampire in the United States was Mercy Brown in 1892 - in Exeter, Rhode Island.
It was not just the Mediaeval villagers that desecrated the dead in the name of superstition.
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
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Smart villagers. Vampires are bad news.
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