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Hey Guys I'm loading up for my next round of a tournament and i want your guys help with this list.

i would like ANY and ALL suggestions and tips however i ask that you do not suggest that i remove the triumvirate or the Dark Eldar core.

HQ:

Farseer w/ Singing Spear and the Spirit StoneOf Anath'lan
120pts

Troops:

Wyches- 10 women strong with a raider transport x2
Kabalite Warriors- 8 base 1 with a heavy Weapon(splinter cannon) and a sybarite in a raider transport w/ splinter racks and night shields
510 pts

Fast Attack:

Razorwing Jetfighter w/ Splinter cannon night shields, 2 necrotoxin, 2 monoscythe and 2 disintegrator cannons
155pts

Heavy Support

Ravager w/ 2 dark lances 1 disintegrator and night shields
135

LOW:
WraithKnight w/ ghostglaive and scattershield and 2 scatter lasers
325pts

Formations:

Triumvirate of Ynnead
625pts


again thanks for any input

That's a pretty low model count there. I assume you're planning on using the Yncarne and Wraithknights to wipe out the Knights you will inevitably be facing on 1850 in a tournament?

What's the plan for the list?

Ghorros wrote:
That's a pretty low model count there. I assume you're planning on using the Yncarne and Wraithknights to wipe out the Knights you will inevitably be facing on 1850 in a tournament?

What's the plan for the list?

I'm taking the Reborn Warhost(i think that was evident) BUT
the Farseer (and the other psykers) will be using their psychic potential to buff everything that needs to be buffed (for example giving invisibility to the wraith knight while giving it soul burst for a First turn charge

both squads of wyches are there for cannon fodder (for the regain wounds on the triumvirate), but they can also hold their own against most units in CC

the kabalites are in the Raider for the mobile gun support, and they have the ability to sit on an objective and be a pretty solid gun line.

My Razorwing is being pure anti-Infantry and going ham on whatever it can shoot when it arrives.

Ravager is AT Nuff said.

The Wraith Knight is used to try to get that first turn Charge into a Squishy part of their army (or take out a titan turn one)

The Triumvirate formation is to bolster the psychic abilities in this army and to gain access to free fearless when they all hit the board. In addition to that, the avatar drops a 12' FNP bubble wherever she walks.
Combine that with the +1 T combat drug, and that's some pretty strong wyches.

And while the wyches and kabalites occupy the raiders to their full transport capacity, the farseer, Yvraine and the Visarch stand alone on the field.

That spells disaster in my book.

Tyrpak wrote:
And while the wyches and kabalites occupy the raiders to their full transport capacity, the farseer, Yvraine and the Visarch stand alone on the field.

That spells disaster in my book.

generally i place the 3 characters in their own little squad and they use the word of pheonix to get the WraithKnight into charging distance and at that point they are more worried about the Wraith Knight that's ripping them a new one rather then 3 characters that aren't really doing much aggressively.


but out of curiousity how would you run this list for tactics?

At 1850 points, the enemy will have ample firepower to dispatch the WK, unless it's invisible.

You are always mentioning word of the phoenix, which you have to roll for, and then cast successfully.
At our local meta libra conclaves and demon armies are abundant, so I wouldn't bet on that spell.
Also the WK and the Yncarne are your only hard hitters, the kabalites will do some damage, but the others will hardly get into a fight.

You need something to shoot the enemy with.
Just forget the wyches, put a jetbike under the farseer, and grab some scatter bikes.

If you don't want those, you could (and I think should) drop the splinter cannon and the sybarite, and get a unit of khymeras. With their 12" move and T4 they can meat shield and propel forward your ICs.
Or just drop 2 girls from one of the wych squads and sit the Visarch and Yvraine with them, until they get out to charge.

Tyrpak wrote:
At 1850 points, the enemy will have ample firepower to dispatch the WK, unless it's invisible.

You are always mentioning word of the phoenix, which you have to roll for, and then cast successfully.
At our local meta libra conclaves and demon armies are abundant, so I wouldn't bet on that spell.
Also the WK and the Yncarne are your only hard hitters, the kabalites will do some damage, but the others will hardly get into a fight.

You need something to shoot the enemy with.
Just forget the wyches, put a jetbike under the farseer, and grab some scatter bikes.

If you don't want those, you could (and I think should) drop the splinter cannon and the sybarite, and get a unit of khymeras. With their 12" move and T4 they can meat shield and propel forward your ICs.
Or just drop 2 girls from one of the wych squads and sit the Visarch and Yvraine with them, until they get out to charge.

i asked how you'd play this list. not how you'd change it.

85% of this list is for Fluff Reasons.
10% is because the local meta isn't completely filled with enough firepower to drop a WK, in additon our psychic armies are far and few between,
5% because i like the models and they've always worked for me in the end.

the WK becomes a huge target after T1 killing gak, then the avatar comes in and goes to town on something else. and while they are targetting the WK the rest of my army can move up and get overwhelming firepower onto the rest of the army.

however i will say i don't have alot of AT

but "needing something to shoot the enemy with"? i suppose you completely missed the razorwing jetfighter, or the kabalites in raiders, or the ravager all with Night Shields?

 asdrubeal vect124 wrote:

Tyrpak wrote:
At 1850 points, the enemy will have ample firepower to dispatch the WK, unless it's invisible.

You are always mentioning word of the phoenix, which you have to roll for, and then cast successfully.
At our local meta libra conclaves and demon armies are abundant, so I wouldn't bet on that spell.
Also the WK and the Yncarne are your only hard hitters, the kabalites will do some damage, but the others will hardly get into a fight.

You need something to shoot the enemy with.
Just forget the wyches, put a jetbike under the farseer, and grab some scatter bikes.

If you don't want those, you could (and I think should) drop the splinter cannon and the sybarite, and get a unit of khymeras. With their 12" move and T4 they can meat shield and propel forward your ICs.
Or just drop 2 girls from one of the wych squads and sit the Visarch and Yvraine with them, until they get out to charge.

i asked how you'd play this list. not how you'd change it.

85% of this list is for Fluff Reasons.
10% is because the local meta isn't completely filled with enough firepower to drop a WK, in additon our psychic armies are far and few between,
5% because i like the models and they've always worked for me in the end.

the WK becomes a huge target after T1 killing gak, then the avatar comes in and goes to town on something else. and while they are targetting the WK the rest of my army can move up and get overwhelming firepower onto the rest of the army.

however i will say i don't have alot of AT

but "needing something to shoot the enemy with"? i suppose you completely missed the razorwing jetfighter, or the kabalites in raiders, or the ravager all with Night Shields?

Have you considered adding a few smaller squads so you get more Soulburst actions? Possibly splitting the Wyches and putting them as a screen for the Yncarne and the others, then using the Wraithknight? Some people might think, "Free killpoints!" without pausing to consider that it gets you in combat turn one.

The best Ynnari lists I've seen were ones running really tough units combined with lots of small units to maximize soulburst. Your fighter jets are for, I am assuming, the Flyrant lists.


In our local tournament, we had an Ynnari player allied with a horde of deep strike, no-scatter bikes with scatter lasers. He got some bad matchups and didn't do well, but it was a solid list.

Honestly, the meta is changing deeply now. The Sisters of Silence are great for anti-psyker shenanigans, since if you have first turn, you drop the rhinos and rush madly towards their front line to sacrifice 70 points and stop them having a psychic phase.

Ghorros wrote:

 asdrubeal vect124 wrote:

Tyrpak wrote:
At 1850 points, the enemy will have ample firepower to dispatch the WK, unless it's invisible.

You are always mentioning word of the phoenix, which you have to roll for, and then cast successfully.
At our local meta libra conclaves and demon armies are abundant, so I wouldn't bet on that spell.
Also the WK and the Yncarne are your only hard hitters, the kabalites will do some damage, but the others will hardly get into a fight.

You need something to shoot the enemy with.
Just forget the wyches, put a jetbike under the farseer, and grab some scatter bikes.

If you don't want those, you could (and I think should) drop the splinter cannon and the sybarite, and get a unit of khymeras. With their 12" move and T4 they can meat shield and propel forward your ICs.
Or just drop 2 girls from one of the wych squads and sit the Visarch and Yvraine with them, until they get out to charge.

i asked how you'd play this list. not how you'd change it.

85% of this list is for Fluff Reasons.
10% is because the local meta isn't completely filled with enough firepower to drop a WK, in additon our psychic armies are far and few between,
5% because i like the models and they've always worked for me in the end.

the WK becomes a huge target after T1 killing gak, then the avatar comes in and goes to town on something else. and while they are targetting the WK the rest of my army can move up and get overwhelming firepower onto the rest of the army.

however i will say i don't have alot of AT

but "needing something to shoot the enemy with"? i suppose you completely missed the razorwing jetfighter, or the kabalites in raiders, or the ravager all with Night Shields?

Have you considered adding a few smaller squads so you get more Soulburst actions? Possibly splitting the Wyches and putting them as a screen for the Yncarne and the others, then using the Wraithknight? Some people might think, "Free killpoints!" without pausing to consider that it gets you in combat turn one.

The best Ynnari lists I've seen were ones running really tough units combined with lots of small units to maximize soulburst. Your fighter jets are for, I am assuming, the Flyrant lists.


In our local tournament, we had an Ynnari player allied with a horde of deep strike, no-scatter bikes with scatter lasers. He got some bad matchups and didn't do well, but it was a solid list.

Honestly, the meta is changing deeply now. The Sisters of Silence are great for anti-psyker shenanigans, since if you have first turn, you drop the rhinos and rush madly towards their front line to sacrifice 70 points and stop them having a psychic phase.

i've debated splitting them into 5 man squads, and i honestly would IF i could place them in the transports. i hate foot slogging anything because i know they'll get smashed down really quickly.

what i've done one time was with my Avatar at 1 W left i charged a squad of chaos terminators and i lost 4 wyches, and so i rolled 4 dice on a 2+ to regain a wound and he ended up gaining all his wounds and following behind the wyches for epikness.

i've not faced sister of battle nor silence people lol but i shall edit the list whence i gain some experience playing against them

 asdrubeal vect124 wrote:
but "needing something to shoot the enemy with"? i suppose you completely missed the razorwing jetfighter, or the kabalites in raiders, or the ravager all with Night Shields?

None of which can soulburst. The kabalites only if they disembark from the transport.

I don't know what you will use to hold objectives.

I don't know how you will protect your foot slogging ICs.

That was all I was referring to. And suggested changes.

Tyrpak wrote:

 asdrubeal vect124 wrote:
but "needing something to shoot the enemy with"? i suppose you completely missed the razorwing jetfighter, or the kabalites in raiders, or the ravager all with Night Shields?

None of which can soulburst. The kabalites only if they disembark from the transport.

I don't know what you will use to hold objectives.

I don't know how you will protect your foot slogging ICs.

That was all I was referring to. And suggested changes.

i don't worry about holding objectives

i also am not worried about them Soulbursting too much.

and your not looking through the rest of the list then. because the WK and the avatar are prime targets. AGAIN as i already stated. not a squad of 3 IC's that aren't doing too much agressively

If I were playing against you:

T1 the avatar is not on the field. So I would shoot the 3 ICs off the board, because that's 6+d3 warp charge, buffs etc for you. And the WK is the only thing to benefit from soulburst.

That leaves you with the kabalites, 2 raiders, ravager and the WKs lasers, to shoot at me. Minimal losses, while you loose one fifth of your army...

WK and the avatar are secondary targets, I will move to avoid, or better, tarpit them.

Tyrpak wrote:
If I were playing against you:

T1 the avatar is not on the field. So I would shoot the 3 ICs off the board, because that's 6+d3 warp charge, buffs etc for you. And the WK is the only thing to benefit from soulburst.

That leaves you with the kabalites, 2 raiders, ravager and the WKs lasers, to shoot at me. Minimal losses, while you loose one fifth of your army...

WK and the avatar are secondary targets, I will move to avoid, or better, tarpit them.

So basically you'd require to tailor your list specifically to combat me.

because literally NOBODY i've ever played against does that. and they are people who go to tournaments lol......

No, I wasn't talking about my list. Where did you get that?
I was talking about playing ANY army against your list.

Any army that has enough shots at 1850 to shoot 9 T3 wounds with 3+/4++, will give you trouble.

Trouble I can only see to avoid if you put the 3 ICs in a unit.

He is tailoring nothing.
Just making a statement based on common sense alone.


Those 3 characters are prime targets due to buffing etc.
They are also easy KP just walking around.
Any smart player would just remove them first turn (really not all that hard to do)

Secondly your relying on a razorwing to be your only AA.
In the event of a flyrant list or anything with 2+ flyers your going to struggle like mad.

In regards to shooting, you really don't have alot.
You have a few units that throw out basic shooting at best.




Long story short, you have sunk your points into big shiny models and characters.
As a result, the army has no balance and lacks in most basic departments.

A wraithknight is scary to some people.
When it's locked in combat with 1 unit a turn, not so much.
Most armies will feed or tarpit it as required.
Some will just outright kill it as at 1850, it's not hard to bring the amount of shooting needed.







Since you don't plan on changing the list, my advice in regards to tactics would be pray to the dice gods, hope for easy match ups and be prepared to lose chunks of the army at a time.
A single mistake can and will cost you the game with this list.

Final tactics, avoid playing against tau.
If your assaulting them turn 1 then be prepared to take more overwatch in that 1 turn than you ever have in a game.

 Jackal wrote:
He is tailoring nothing.
Just making a statement based on common sense alone.


Those 3 characters are prime targets due to buffing etc.
They are also easy KP just walking around.
Any smart player would just remove them first turn (really not all that hard to do)

Secondly your relying on a razorwing to be your only AA.
In the event of a flyrant list or anything with 2+ flyers your going to struggle like mad.

In regards to shooting, you really don't have alot.
You have a few units that throw out basic shooting at best.




Long story short, you have sunk your points into big shiny models and characters.
As a result, the army has no balance and lacks in most basic departments.

A wraithknight is scary to some people.
When it's locked in combat with 1 unit a turn, not so much.
Most armies will feed or tarpit it as required.
Some will just outright kill it as at 1850, it's not hard to bring the amount of shooting needed.







Since you don't plan on changing the list, my advice in regards to tactics would be pray to the dice gods, hope for easy match ups and be prepared to lose chunks of the army at a time.
A single mistake can and will cost you the game with this list.

Final tactics, avoid playing against tau.
If your assaulting them turn 1 then be prepared to take more overwatch in that 1 turn than you ever have in a game.

maybe if i was in a BIG prestige tournament i'd worry about flyrant lists, or even any list that has alot of fliers. but the majority of the league im in has (C)SM, necrons, DE, harliquens, and ONE tau player and ONE guardsman player

i apologize for making my perceptions on what i already knew.

i should have stated what my LGS is like shouldn't i have lol

most of us aren't big spenders, so i don't need to worry about super firepower.
i didn't say i wasn't open to changing the list, i simply said i wasn't about to swap out the WK or the triumvirate.

also i've been aware of the risk of making a single mistake and losing the game for awhile, its what i find invigorating about playing DE and the reborn warhost

so you would ignore the majority of an army to take out 3 characters which are hiding in the deep back field in cover or behind cover to block line of sight.... good luck


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Hell, i'll expand on it, in ANY sort of actual SUPER meta competitive list match up i'll lose, hands down. i don't care about winning. i care about having fun and i usually lose, i only started recently winning