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jmurph wrote: The left really needs to figure out how to weed out that misogyny that creeps out everytime the far right puts up a pretty face. (...)
How do you mean ? I certainly won't disagree on the premise, although I wouldn't mind a more detailed explanation of that pattern.
For the latter part of your post, I assume you're talking about Marine, not Marion, who's not what I'd call a "pretty face", but yeah, her speeches have been pretty good, and under her leadership, the FN is gaining ground in voter blocks that would have been thought impossible previously, like teachers. In improvised talks though, her style is... a little less refined.
I think it stems from elements of the hard left that still have some problems with female leadership and established power structures that don't like challenge (and historically weren't particularly inclusive of women). Factions such as labor, and political leadership in general, in much of the west are heavily male dominated and while progress has been made, it's hard not to see France as very much a "boys club" dominated by men. So, while there has been progress, I think a lot of it is reflexive.
Yes, I meant Marine, and pretty face is relative. The stereotypical far right wingnut is a frothing white man ranting about immigrants and Jews (so, basically the original Le Pen). While I hate to reduce it to physical trains, Marine Le Pen is a not unattractive, polished, professional woman who has softened a lot of the party edges and embraced a much moderated outlook. Keep in mind that in the US, her views are further left than the Republicans and would be right in line with a hawkish Democrat! She is drawing more women and moderates than her party ever has before while still keeping the hard line element, even if she is a little rougher when speaking off the cuff.
Regardless, I think it would be a serious mistake to underestimate her chances and if France is targeted by another terror strike, it would certainly push sentiment in her direction.
jmurph wrote: I think it stems from elements of the hard left
I would disagree here, I think it's basically a background of misogyny that is very pervasive in all the political spectrum. Left, right and center.
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Yeah, misogyny is pretty universal across the spectrum of political parties. How many female French leaders have existed? We hold them up as saints or witches.
Gordon Shumway wrote: How many female French leaders have existed? We hold them up as saints or witches.
Well, Segolène Royal almost became president but she lost to Sarkozy. Sad times.
Also, speaking of witches, does Joan of Arc count? And why do you call her Joan of Arc instead of Jeanne d'Arc ^^?
Jean-Marie Le Pen is famous for being a huge fan of Joan of Arc.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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jmurph wrote: I think it stems from elements of the hard left
I would disagree here, I think it's basically a background of misogyny that is very pervasive in all the political spectrum. Left, right and center.
A very good point. Like I said, I think it is a problem with entrenched interests that were established from very limited groups. By hard left, I was more referring to specific elements (like labor) than the view as a whole. Interestingly, labor also tends to frequently swing anti-immigrant/nativist as well.
As for Joan d'Arc, she would be interesting to try to map onto modern politics. Fervently religious, nationalistic, and militaristic, she was also illiterate, believed she received divine visions, and refused to conform to mores of the time. Ultimately, her bluntness and populism engendered anger from the established ruling class on her own side as well as her foes, and she was captured, jailed, and executed. I am not sure their would be a modern parallel, but she certainly is and inspiring, if cruelly mistreated, historical figure. Interestingly, there seem to be a lot of parallels between her and the UK veneration of Boudica and their symbolism.
Ahtman wrote: Genitalia is an important part of leadership. Without it how would the leader point to where they want people to go?
Secondary sexual characteristics mean that women can point the way twice as well, sometimes in slightly different directions even!
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Ahtman wrote: Genitalia is an important part of leadership. Without it how would the leader point to where they want people to go?
You jest, but there is some truth to humans tying power to phallic imagery. There is a reason the most important person gets the biggest hat! And that's when it is subtle and not just dongs carved/sculpted/etc. everywhere.
Even today, leadership and power is often equated positively to masculine traits with females showing those traits viewed negatively.
It's part of what makes a strong female leader of the right wing so interesting!
jmurph wrote: You jest, but there is some truth to humans tying power to phallic imagery. There is a reason the most important person gets the biggest hat! And that's when it is subtle and not just dongs carved/sculpted/etc.
Xenomorph are super-duper powerful ^^.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Maybe Europe should contemplate a switch to USA as Natural Gas supplier...we've got more than we'll ever know what to do with and we're finally getting the export mechanism going...time for Russia to just be an isolated thug-run gas station until it learns how to play nice with others.
"I didn't think they'd actually do it!" has to be the worst rationale for voting for someone ever. You think someone's lying and thus will vote for them? Wut?
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Any hint on whether the latest terror attack may have a significant effect? I know that France has been on a constant state of emergency and would imagine this would play strongly for the right.
Thought this might be of interest. These chaps would have been running for their lives from the FN not that long ago.
Milo .
jmurph wrote: Any hint on whether the latest terror attack may have a significant effect? I know that France has been on a constant state of emergency and would imagine this would play strongly for the right.
I don't know if the terror attack will have an effect, but the state of emergency was declared by the left, and frankly politicians that want to lift the state of emergency definitely get a plus in my book. The state of emergency is there to deal with very precise threat during a short period (hence the Emergency part), it should NOT be the new normal. If the current laws outside of the state of emergency are not suitable for the current situation, then change the laws, but don't keep us in an Egyptian-style perpetual state of emergency, this is crypto-dictatorship stuff!
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Thought this might be of interest. These chaps would have been running for their lives from the FN not that long ago.
Milo .
jmurph wrote: Any hint on whether the latest terror attack may have a significant effect? I know that France has been on a constant state of emergency and would imagine this would play strongly for the right.
I don't know if the terror attack will have an effect, but the state of emergency was declared by the left, and frankly politicians that want to lift the state of emergency definitely get a plus in my book. The state of emergency is there to deal with very precise threat during a short period (hence the Emergency part), it should NOT be the new normal. If the current laws outside of the state of emergency are not suitable for the current situation, then change the laws, but don't keep us in an Egyptian-style perpetual state of emergency, this is crypto-dictatorship stuff!
Whoever is in charge would declare a state of emergency when there is a major terrorist attack, regardless of their political leaning.
What practical effects does the state of emergency have?
Kilkrazy wrote: Whoever is in charge would declare a state of emergency when there is a major terrorist attack, regardless of their political leaning.
Which is not what I am complaining about. What I am complaining about is not lifting it years after. The state of emergency is there to quickly react to an imminent threat. Not to be the new normal. And yeah, I am not saying the right would have done better. You will pretty rarely hear me say “I think the right would have done better” to be honest ^^.
Kilkrazy wrote: What practical effects does the state of emergency have?
Basically a reduction on civil rights. Notably, it's much easier for the police to do house search and house arrest, or to forbid specific gatherings.
No need to. They have every right to give their opinion.
I just find it pretty telling that Trump supports Marine Le Pen rather than François Fillion. It shows clearly that your current government is extreme-right, not just right-wing.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
this could be a genuine real upset for the system.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Is it true that Macron said that Paris will "just have to learn to live with terror" ?
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