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Jacksmiles wrote:
Well that Andrew Cooke fellow just told someone that a $1 "bid" wasn't good enough to answer questions. "If you choose to support our kickstarter I'd be happy to answer your questions."

#popcorntime

Yeah I just saw that myself. If it weren't for the fact that I'm boycotting Palladium over how they're treating the RTT investors that post would cause me to either not invest or pull my investment.

this is the post in question:

Andrew Cooke Collaborator 7 minutes ago
@steve a you've only bid $1. If you choose to support our kickstarter I'd be happy to answer your questions.

While I'm sure there are a fine cadre of $1 trolls on hand (I'm not following this one closely today), I reject that a $1 contribution isn't sufficient to be able to ask questions worth answering. Those exist on their own merits.

I've backed plenty of campaigns for $1 because I was intrigued by the concept but wasn't willing to commit any substantial amount up front. From that perspective, $1 to get updates (without having to go look for them) and commenting rights, it's a pretty good deal, whether or not I get included in a tier.

In other news... I was going to post about the in for dollar did and got the messege my account was under review...

Which has me flamed. I have posted nothing which violates the ToS... WTG Kickstarter. If this thing funds, KS is certainly doing their due diligence to help it along.

WithintheDungeon wrote:
In other news... I was going to post about the in for dollar did and got the messege my account was under review...

Which has me flamed. I have posted nothing which violates the ToS... WTG Kickstarter. If this thing funds, KS is certainly doing their due diligence to help it along.

from what i've noticed the ToS is what ever makes the project creators mad is against the rules.

The only way things will change is if backers quit using it and projects quit funding. RRT killed the Kickstarter format for me because I just don't like gambling and can be patient.
The way I see backers getting treated disgusts me honestly as KS treats them like it was a free to post forum but these are people keeping the lights on for the company.
Ah well, I'm only out for two KS projects and a couple hundred bucks to learn my lesson.

Yeah... I made the creators mad by... Posting legit questions... ANd KS aloud to suspend my account?

Easy come, easy go, why you got to wreck the KS flow?

It's not so much they want the creators to succeed they just want those sweet sweet backer dollars. And the banhammer to anyone that may make it difficult for them to get their cut.

Hmm, apparently I'm not just feeling the lashings from Palladium, I've apparently developed strong emotions towards Kickstarter.

At least I know I'd pass a Voight Kampff test with my emotional responses.

 TwoGunBob wrote:
Easy come, easy go, why you got to wreck the KS flow?

It's not so much they want the creators to succeed they just want those sweet sweet backer dollars. And the banhammer to anyone that may make it difficult for them to get their cut.

Hmm, apparently I'm not just feeling the lashings from Palladium, I've apparently developed strong emotions towards Kickstarter.

At least I know I'd pass a Voight Kampff test with my emotional responses.

problem is Kickstarter has been allowed to run free rein by the government with no accountability, the government really needs to step in on that.

 Forar wrote:
While I'm sure there are a fine cadre of $1 trolls on hand (I'm not following this one closely today), I reject that a $1 contribution isn't sufficient to be able to ask questions worth answering. Those exist on their own merits..

I guess that means we'll have a pledge troll. : https://www.polygon.com/2015/5/14/8606201/kickstarter-trolls

fyi, KS has a pledge failure rate to collect pledges of about 10% to 15%.

About like Patreon percentages. Creators seldom manage to collect the full 100% of what the website reflects. Patreon is another financial anomaly that I just can't get behind. Lots of people creating content but oddly I just don't feel it's worth an investment and once they get to a certain high level the creator seems to stop work and just coast month to month until their Patreon finally drops and then they apologize and start trying to woo supporters back.


I'm probably just too old and crotchety to understand. Or I don't have as much disposable income to dump on content creators as the rest of the intarwebs.

Apparently the glitterboy robot and pilot were added as an option $28 add on.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rogueheroes/rifts-board-game/posts/1881218

Maybe at some point it'll be value added to the relatively anemic box contents once a higher stretch goal is met.

 warboss wrote:
Apparently the glitterboy robot and pilot were added as an option $28 add on.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rogueheroes/rifts-board-game/posts/1881218

Maybe at some point it'll be value added to the relatively anemic box contents once a higher stretch goal is met.

at the rate the project is going they will be lucky to fund let alone to make it to the first stretch goal which is a colored rule book(seriously since when is a colored rule book a stretch goal?)

also i'm curious how a 32mm scale figure would fit on a 25mm base since the squares on the map are 1" ?

If they do a standalone pair of GB Killers, that might be interesting... at retail.

 paulson games wrote:
Wiping his butt would be challenging to say the least.

Clearly, like a terrier, he just scoots.

"Your camp is awakened by Lazer McTazerface scooting across the campsite, leaving a trail of dingleberries across the campsite."

Oh, wait, this is a game using the awful Mega Damage(tm)(r)(etc) mechanic. There's no need to do something like that. All he needs to do is go stand in a bonfire hot enough to shatter ceramic - he'll be fine. That fire doesn't deal Mega Damage(tm)(r)(etc), and as such, Lazer McTazerface won't be harmed and the dingleberries will be vaporized.

Wouldn't the dingleberries be MDC too?

Asterios wrote:
this is the post in question:

Andrew Cooke Collaborator 7 minutes ago
@steve a you've only bid $1. If you choose to support our kickstarter I'd be happy to answer your questions.

That is AMAZING. And not in a good way. I am flabbergasted that someone in a PR position could even conceive of saying that in a public forum.

It prompted me to look at the project and comments. Jesus Christ, what a gak show...

Some of the backer comments are gold though

My point in the thread was not to troll. Unless asking legit questions as to project is considered as such... I've kept the questions themselves strictly about the project itself. I'm aware that's folks might view it as a troll if the premise is that I'm not backing the Kickstarter no matter what is said. Edit: Not to mention am I to be faulted for the creator's inability to answer these legit questions... I think not. If my crime is knowing ahead that the creator won't or most likely can't answer the questions, then I can live with that.

But given the history of the companies involved, what is my crime exactly...? Since we are literally dealing with people that will do or say anything for the $ and use whoever is foolish enough to back them, in order to fund their own incompetent productions...

What I'm doing is a service, to those who my opinion which likely be just as scammed as the backers of RRT.

(where is the inset applause button)-

What a difference a day makes...

I have to say, though, Dakka has shown complete class in the watching of a complete clusterfeth, as they continue to braid the rope that they will be hanging from.

I have a couple of cold Heinekens for TwoGunBob, and our Kickstarter experts Forar, and Asterios as we sit here watching this one go up like the Hindenburg as we get our weenies and marshmallows ready.

WithintheDragon, I am honestly not at all surprised, seeing as the whole comments section will, of course be under review for the Guiness World Record in how fast the destruction of a project category...

I can guarantee that they definatly have the world record in how fast this project has been reported, read and received complaint, and is in all seriousness under review to figure out if Kickstarter even want's to take on the liability that the project is in fact evolving for them, legally.

Between the open "Other " project, the handling by the creators on the whole comment section, the complete lack of transparency, the vitriol that is evolving, and counter devolving, the shenanigans behind the scenes "Palladium side", and the obvious overarching loose depiction of "TOS", Kickstarter Project Rules, and obvious favoritism for a dog of a project, Kickstarter is probably in all rights seeking legal counsel in the areas of "How bad is this one going to hurt us?"

I will wager that most, or if not, all of the contributors to the ..."Lively debate"... have ALL gotten warnings and ban-hammer love taps, as the conversation devolves even further into the realms of insanity, and chaos that only can be found in Palladium comment sections for game discussions.

At this point, I am out of popcorn and into the KFC and Beer levels of watching this in the same interest as watching a high-speed train wreck, or a multivehicle accident.

When the collision happens, I don't know if anyone in there is going to walk out of it.

The only icing on this crapcake would be to hear that Prodos is doing the sculpting....

I'm thinking that maybe they've got their eyes on other places - like here - and are preemptively attempting to ban people they think will be problems?

Or at least pouncing on them ASAP once they post something even a little bit critical?

Maybe?

Thought crimes!

Anyway, it is good to see WithintheDungeon still here fighting the fight - I was afraid he was gone for good, but I now I guess that's only in reference to the Robotech thread...

I think it was recently on the RRT comments page, don't remember for sure, but there was something from a guy going on about how rough and mean all the haterzzzz are on the PB forums.

Pretty sure it was one of their lobotomized White Knights, too. So I don't think it was sarcasm.

It's amusing that they didn't even get a BGG page and it's so far into the campaign. No BGG promo either. Totally unprepared.

I look at it this way think of all those white knights which will be supporting PB for another year by freely giving them money for nothing in return.

Man, lots of names I've never seen before talking about canceling their pledges if the contents of the box remain so anemic.

 Desmodus wrote:
Wouldn't the dingleberries be MDC too?

Don't be ridiculous. Dingleberries on something as fearsome sounding as a Swordfist? Bah, maybe for a novice freelancer but master wordsmith and genre redefiner Kevin would come up with something much more imaginative like turdthorns or pooppiercers. And, yes, they'd undoubtedly be MDC.


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's amusing that they didn't even get a BGG page and it's so far into the campaign. No BGG promo either. Totally unprepared.

It's almost as if most of the same people involved got massively financially rewarded for being completely unprepared for the realities of a miniatures kickstarter in the past and suffered no direct consequences as a result of almost 3 years of no tangible progress by the only metric that matters (products brought to market)

Actually you're right, I was silly.

It's obvious that SWORDFIST TAZERFACE would actually poop tiny SWORDFISTS.

Merijeek wrote:
Actually you're right, I was silly.

It's obvious that SWORDFIST TAZERFACE would actually poop tiny SWORDFISTS.

Geez, some real palladium fiction noobs here. Pooping tiny swordfingersTM though....

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm thinking that maybe they've got their eyes on other places - like here - and are preemptively attempting to ban people they think will be problems?

Or at least pouncing on them ASAP once they post something even a little bit critical?

Maybe?

Thought crimes!

Anyway, it is good to see WithintheDungeon still here fighting the fight - I was afraid he was gone for good, but I now I guess that's only in reference to the Robotech thread...

You we're right in the first place, and I now believe I was wrong to suspect members of this board for spamming my email. Though nobody batted and eye about it, I apologize. Nonetheless... The thing is yesterday while in the comments I got pretty upset when a poster referenced something personal about the creator as well, so consider me conflicted, so I do not take my journey over there lightly...

In the end I have to set aside my wimpy tendencies and do what (I view) as right.

Thank you for welcoming me back!

WithintheDungeon wrote:
My point in the thread was not to troll. Unless asking legit questions as to project is considered as such... I've kept the questions themselves strictly about the project itself. I'm aware that's folks might view it as a troll if the premise is that I'm not backing the Kickstarter no matter what is said. Edit: Not to mention am I to be faulted for the creator's inability to answer these legit questions... I think not. If my crime is knowing ahead that the creator won't or most likely can't answer the questions, then I can live with that.

But given the history of the companies involved, what is my crime exactly...? Since we are literally dealing with people that will do or say anything for the $ and use whoever is foolish enough to back them, in order to fund their own incompetent productions...

What I'm doing is a service, to those who my opinion which likely be just as scammed as the backers of RRT.

(where is the inset applause button)-

Thank you. If they can't be bothered to up sell you on the product in spite of the possible snags, then they should not be doing this.

KS is a basic idea of business, selling the dream.

WithintheDungeon wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm thinking that maybe they've got their eyes on other places - like here - and are preemptively attempting to ban people they think will be problems?

Or at least pouncing on them ASAP once they post something even a little bit critical?

Maybe?

Thought crimes!

Anyway, it is good to see WithintheDungeon still here fighting the fight - I was afraid he was gone for good, but I now I guess that's only in reference to the Robotech thread...

You we're right in the first place, and I now believe I was wrong to suspect members of this board for spamming my email. Though nobody batted and eye about it, I apologize. Nonetheless... The thing is yesterday while in the comments I got pretty upset when a poster referenced something personal about the creator as well, so consider me conflicted, so I do not take my journey over there lightly...

In the end I have to set aside my wimpy tendencies and do what (I view) as right.

Thank you for welcoming me back!

if you are referring to Carmen's attempted Suicide that was no longer personal or private when Kevin blasted it on the open internet, furthermore it is a very serious factor to consider when backing a project by the same person since such an action can effect the outcome of said project.

also on a side note you have to remember that Carmen and his collaborators and anyone with access to that project controls, have access to your e-mail and address and other personal information, thankfully not your credit card info.