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 crnaguja wrote:
So, it seems standard marines are going the way of the dodo (as it seems the numarines will replace old marines battlefield roles, I fear from now on we won't get any new normal marines releases). Meh, I always wanted to play Guard anyways.

I'm doubtful of this, but it will all be in what the points and options for them will be.

 crnaguja wrote:
So, it seems standard marines are going the way of the dodo (as it seems the numarines will replace old marines battlefield roles, I fear from now on we won't get any new normal marines releases). Meh, I always wanted to play Guard anyways.

According to the FAQ old Marines will have wargear options exclusive to them. Wich means running a pure Primaris army will lose you some wargear flexibility. They're also more expensive than normal Marines (I'm guessing they,ll cost as much as veterans, if not more, standard) so running an army of them will be smaller than normal (I imagine it mit look a lot like the old Draigowing armies of 5th that wee half the size of most armies at the time).

Snore at the numarines tbh.

 Galas wrote:
So basically... new marines with Horus Heresy Helmets... and Horus Heresy Dreadnoughts... why GW, why?! Why can't you just leave 30k in 30k, and stop bringing it to my 40k?!

I expect this nu-marines to be in tabletop numbers simillar to Deathwathc or Grey Knights, so the -1 AP in their bolters sholdn't be a big problem. If in the future they become the standart infantry replacing the standard marines, then that can be a problem.

 Malika2 wrote:
Mk X armour? What happened to Mk IX?

Belisarius Cawl is Bill Gates of the future. He just hates the number 9

I wanted Scouring Era Marines to pop out of the new warp rift and launch a crisade against e Imperium because it's nothing like the one they served....

FAQ un Nu marines here
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/15/primaris-space-marines-faq-may15gw-homepage-post-2/

Daedalus81 wrote:
Well done on their part to put these out there and lay to rest many of the outspoken concerns.

If by lay to rest you mean wave off without adressing, then yes.

But will there be Primaris Centurions?

Shiny marines. Cool. I'll be honest, the models in the video (which has now vanished at time of writing, not sure why) look great and the idea seems reasonable, but I'm personally much more interested in what they do with the background - this is just straight up tech heresy at the minute. I'm expecting this to turn into horus heresy 2: electric boogaloo to be honest. Not much to really talk about that hasn't been said.

Looking forwards to the faction focus later though (assuming there is one, they seem to be done every other day).

Link to the video in case anyone missed it. (It's gone now apparently)

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Mk X armour? What happened to Mk IX?

Lost in shipping?

Produced, but never distributed and then superceeded by MkX?

A Primaris exclusive that'll be on a later unit's release?

The most interesting news release today was that the Mechanicus follow a Microsoftus Windowsus Pattern for armor version numbers!

Gallery of shots from the video: http://imgur.com/a/2pRXt (Found in Reddit)

So their Boltgun has ap -1, a good way to tempt Marine players who will miss being able to gun down opponent models with some ease. Seeing as the current Bolter in the new system is going to be ap - it seems a bit of a marketing ploy to get players to heavily invest in them.

However I am glad that they are going to be fully fleshed out, it does mean that current Marines could easily be formed as old bands fighting against an Imperium they no longer support especially if they are stuck on the Terra side of the large warp rift.

As long as we see no horrendous models like the Centurions.

I haven't exactly been a fan of the idea of new Marines, but honestly after reading that they seem fine. They seem to be fitting them in the fluff at least well enough that classic marine chapters can still feel like their own thing, while maintaining the option of integrating or going full Primaris in the future.

I do hope that their points cost is such that they remain a low model count army, or else those -1 AP bolt guns are going to get a bit tiresome.

These Primaris Marines might very well be the first reason in almost 20 years of Warhammer for me to buy a box of Space Marines.

I'm genuinely impressed.

I think it's a smart move, but I do see a possible (albeit slow) move away from standard marines. After all if the story is advancing, the models may as well.

I'm more curious about Roboute setting up "new" Chapters full of the Primaris Marines --- which hints heavily at an all-Primaris army, etc.

Personally, I don't much care, and I think people may weep if a normal 10-man Tactical squad becomes $65 etc.

 JohnU wrote:
But will there be Primaris Centurions?

I rather hope not. We don't need every single unit to get a Primaris duplicate.

...Primaris Thunderwolves. *shudders*

I wonder what the stats will be. T5? S5? W2? I hope that Custodes are still better.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Mk X armour? What happened to Mk IX?

Lost in shipping?

Produced, but never distributed and then superceeded by MkX?

A Primaris exclusive that'll be on a later unit's release?

The most interesting news release today was that the Mechanicus follow a Microsoftus Windowsus Pattern for armor version numbers!

They skipped Power Armour versions M995, M998, ME, Vista and M2000.

I actually think that in the very long run (10+ years) they will phase out the current marines, so not to cannibalize each other´s sales. They even said that they will have vehichles for them. And I welcome such decision. I had enough of terribly propotioned space marines.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:
Link to the video in case anyone missed it. (It's gone now apparently)

It's back up!

I like the character in the new armour on the larger (40mm?) base. Image 5 in the Reddit screen grabs

Jesus, those are AMAZING. I'm giddy over here, these models are some of the best I've ever seen, from any company... at the same time, I'm wondering what I should do with my hundred baby marines... they suddenly don't feel as cool :(

BertBert wrote:
These Primaris Marines might very well be the first reason in almost 20 years of Warhammer for me to buy a box of Space Marines.

I'm genuinely impressed.

I'm still not sure if it makes sense. It's the end of the 40th Millennium. And now all of a sudden we've released new marines and instantly all the chapters have them? This universe is not small. How do they travel across the universe instantly?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
From the Q&A they mention the Primaris Marines having a dreadnought.

So basically the new marines are super awesome BUT somehow already have enough honored dead to need a special Dreadnought chassis right out of the gate.

No, think GK style, not dead, but piloted.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 JohnU wrote:
But will there be Primaris Centurions?

I rather hope not. We don't need every single unit to get a Primaris duplicate.

...Primaris Thunderwolves. *shudders*

Are you kidding me? Of course there will be Primaris Thunderwolf Cavalry.

 Mymearan wrote:
Jesus, those are AMAZING. I'm giddy over here, these models are some of the best I've ever seen, from any company... at the same time, I'm wondering what I should do with my hundred baby marines... they suddenly don't feel as cool :(

Put em on ebay for me I'll still use the original Marines especially nicely painted ones.

On a more serious note, I can't exactly see the Unforgiven looking very well at this whole Primaris addition, especially if the Lion comes back around.

This will be interesting to see.

 nintura wrote:

BertBert wrote:
These Primaris Marines might very well be the first reason in almost 20 years of Warhammer for me to buy a box of Space Marines.

I'm genuinely impressed.

I'm still not sure if it makes sense. It's the end of the 40th Millennium. And now all of a sudden we've released new marines and instantly all the chapters have them? This universe is not small. How do they travel across the universe instantly?

Hm, let's not try to make sense of science fiction/fantasy. However, the dominant fall back answer to all your burning questions is... $$$$$$$.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
I wonder what the stats will be. T5? S5? W2? I hope that Custodes are still better.

I'm guessing Custodes will be better, but not by much. It feels like Primaris marines will be a gap fill between the two.

That said, I rather hope we end up with a proper civil war involving the Blood Angels, Dark Angels and Space Wolves (and their successors) regarding the Primaris. Some chapter's secrets might be too much for these new Astartes to accept leading to open accusarions of heresy and geneseed mutation gone too far...

theocracity wrote:
I haven't exactly been a fan of the idea of new Marines, but honestly after reading that they seem fine. They seem to be fitting them in the fluff at least well enough that classic marine chapters can still feel like their own thing, while maintaining the option of integrating or going full Primaris in the future.

I do hope that their points cost is such that they remain a low model count army, or else those -1 AP bolt guns are going to get a bit tiresome.

From the FAQ

Q. So, Primaris are just better in the game, right? What’s the point of using older Space Marines?

A. Marine to Marine, they certainly have some advantages over a Tactical Squad, but it comes at a cost. These guys will cost more points than standard Space Marines, so you’ll have fewer of them, and their weapon options will be different. For maximum tactical punch, you’ll want to bring all your Space Marines to the tabletop.

Sounds like they will be slightly more in points and they are trying to blend them into the current range rather than replace which is good.