Requizen wrote:
Something worth noting, I'm thinking this means that everything previously with Jump/Jet Pack will no longer be able to Deep Strike. This might mean the death of Farsight bombs, but who knows.

Zatsuku wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/17/new-warhammer-40000-reserves-and-deep-striking-may17gw-homepage-post-4/

Reserves article up. I'm liking what I am seeing.

 stonehorse wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Most people probably want to move the thread on to the latest topic, but I'll make one final point about the 40k fluff:

What GW did to the Necron fluff was a bad bad blunder in my eyes.

You had these scary, merciless machines popping up from nowhere, almost the image of death, and very hard to kill,

and GW had to turn them into Ancient Egypt, thus robbing them off their power, fear factor, and mystery...

Years back, I used to do narrative scenarios with some average joe guardsman in the middle of nowhere, fighting a last ditch defence against these machines, and it was fun...

These days, you have no need to fill in the gaps about the Necrons with your imagination, because it has been done for you.

There was nothing wrong with GW dropping a hint here, a hint there, to add some spice to the Necrons, but chapter and verse?

It's like the missing primarchs - the power of the story and narrative is there because those missing primarchs are different to everybody.

And that made the game fun. Too much story is often not a good thing...

Except that we already had a faction that didn't care about you. It only wanted to devour you and didn't care about anything else whatsoever.

The Wardification of the Necrons was something that to this day is still annoying to witness. The old background was elegant, as it gave enough information, but also left enough out that it created mystery. Also it had the hall marks of ending a greater story to the 40k universe, one that was faught over and lost aeons ago, and wasn't Human centric. It was evident that the writers were heavily influenced by not only Lovecraft, but also Babylon 5. Also the Necrons while being mindless, were led by characters that oozed character, the C'tan, who had a plan for the galaxy beyond mindless consumption. The whole Pariah gene was instrumented by the C'tan, and was going to be their big way of closing the warp, so they could rule the material realm as the Gods they are, while feasting on the misery and pain they inflicted upon the galaxy.

All this was washed away and we had Tomb Kings in space, with hamfisted names at an attempt at puns, and some truly laughable models. The 3rd edition range was perfect, no elaborate onimentation, they looked practical, which given that they are were a machine race, made perfect sense. Also the Monolith to this day looks very alien and bizarre as an engine of war. Where the newer models are far too ostentatious, and have lost that simple elegance.

Requizen wrote:
Something worth noting, I'm thinking this means that everything previously with Jump/Jet Pack will no longer be able to Deep Strike. This might mean the death of Farsight bombs, but who knows.

 Leth wrote:
Do we know how far people fallback from combat or is it also tied to your movement value?

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Subjective opinion is subjective

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Deus Ex Machina.

Like....like how Horus just sort of dropped his shields, allowing The Emperor to board and fight him one-on-one? I mean, what a stroke of luck, eh?

Or how Khaine wasn't actually destroyed by Slaanesh, and instead became shards of himself because narrative reasons.

Or how Tyranids, a latecomer species to Rogue Trader, just sort of appeared in the galaxy because

His Master's Voice wrote:

 En Excelsis wrote:
Necrons (as awesome as the models look - and they do look awesome), they are the most absurd addition to the game and they did s much more hamr than good by being squeezed in. It required that the GW writers literally write over existing materlal (Eldar).

I disagree. The initial iteration of Necron lore meshed with the 40k mythos very well. It was Lovecraftian and eldritch in ways no other faction, save perhaps the Slaves to Darkness period Chaos, ever managed to be.

Then they got Warded.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


Years back, I used to do narrative scenarios with some average joe guardsman in the middle of nowhere, fighting a last ditch defence against these machines, and it was fun...

These days, you have no need to fill in the gaps about the Necrons with your imagination, because it has been done for you.

casvalremdeikun wrote:At 9", you are getting your charge off less than 50% of the time. I am hoping for stuff like Jump Packs to aid in charging, so stuff like Assault Marines, Vanguard Veterans, and Raptors to be able to get in the turn they arrive though.

 En Excelsis wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Subjective opinion is subjective

Thank you for that very enlightening contribution. No one here was aware that opinions were subjective until you put that in writing for us.

Now we know... and knowing is half the battle.

Youn wrote:
It looks like 9" away from your opponent seems to be the standard for a unit coming onto the board in AoS. And the disembark rules pretty much wipe out people that cannot deploy.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Oaka wrote:


Primaris Drop Pods, on the other hand...

Some units in AoS with a character in play can drop closer than 9". It is a possibility - with a point cost attached.

 nintura wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 nintura wrote:
So you no longer roll to get them from reserves. You choose when they come in? And you have to have everything on the table by turn 3. And they can assault. No scatter. Wow.

It does makes reserve management much, much less random and more tactical - a clear improvement imo.

I find it funny how they remove randomness in some aspects and add them in others.

I am not sure that I'm sold on the whole "Assault after coming from reserves" but that remains to be seen.

Well, as stated, the odds are against you making that charge given the average will be 7". Plus overwatch. However, with Nids and Fleet....

 kestral wrote:
Otherwise crisis suits who hit you with 3-18 automatic hits (EACH) followed by another 3-18 automatic hits when you assaulted them were going to make any pure assault units utterly worthless. Still, could be really great done right. Fingers crossed.

tneva82 wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 nintura wrote:
So you no longer roll to get them from reserves. You choose when they come in? And you have to have everything on the table by turn 3. And they can assault. No scatter. Wow.

It does makes reserve management much, much less random and more tactical - a clear improvement imo.

I find it funny how they remove randomness in some aspects and add them in others.

I am not sure that I'm sold on the whole "Assault after coming from reserves" but that remains to be seen.

Well, as stated, the odds are against you making that charge given the average will be 7". Plus overwatch. However, with Nids and Fleet....

8 enough. No need to get to b2b. 42%

Warhammer 40,000 Faction Focus: Drukhari
Continuing our Faction Focus series for the new Warhammer 40,000, Frankie returns to tell us about what we can expect from the Dark Eldar, or the Drukhari, as they call themselves.

Frankie is one of the team who runs some of the biggest Warhammer 40,000 events in the world, including the Las Vegas Open and the recently announced SoCal Open. He’s also been part of the playtesting team for the new edition and has a particular soft spot for the forces of Commorragh.

Drukhari, also known as the Dark Eldar, are absolutely my favourite faction due to their background. They are like space pirates of the roughest sort mixed with a dash of maniacal arena combatants sprinkled with the bizarre and terrifying Haemonculus Covens. This forms a potent cocktail of evil which I’m sure we can all agree is awesome! They constantly fight amongst themselves for political power and to gain status by any means possible. When not stabbing one another in the back, they stage horrific raids into realspace for slaves and treasure. They must constantly seek ways to preserve their lifespans, as they do not have the protection of the infinity circuit used by their craftworld kin to shield their spirits from Slaanesh when they die.

Drukhari do not currently get a lot of attention on the top competitive tables. They can struggle to make it into close combat and often get cut down by overwatch before they get to swing. Their shooting, while potentially deadly, relies heavily on their Poisoned weapons which suffer against many armies.



What I want is Raiders flying around with guys shooting poisoned needles out of the back. I want close combat units that are feared and some cool (hopefully extra dirty!) tricks I can use to gain (unfair) advantage during battle as is befitting of a low down dirty space pirate!

In the new Warhammer 40,000, Raiders are exactly what they should be. They are blisteringly fast, open topped transports that deliver warriors where you need them but remain a little fragile. Open Topped vehicles allow you to shoot out of them still, which is a massive benefit. You can even fire Pistol weapons out of the vehicle when it is engaged in close combat! However, Raiders are nowhere near the paper thin deathtraps they could be in the past. Venoms, as well, are absolutely fantastic vehicles, and due to the changes to the core rules of the game, all of their weapons now have at least a chance to hurt even resilient vehicles on a 6 to wound (representing that lucky hit through a vision slit, or punching through a weakened section of armour).



These vehicles are restored to glory, allowing you to zoom around the battlefield and get your troops into key positions. They are also armed with strong weapons beyond splinter cannons. You can have a dark lance, which will give you serious punch to open other people’s transports or take down large creatures with a strength of 8, an AP of -4 and D6 damage. Or you can go with the disintegrator cannon, which has three shots that all do 2 damage at AP -3.

With a toughness value and wounds, these vehicles are also much more durable. Lastly, these vehicles have a 5+ invulnerable save versus shooting attacks which will help when getting blasted by heavy weapons, and they ignore the -1 penalty to shooting heavy weapons after moving, keeping them agile. You can imagine how potent Ravagers will be with these rules!

What about some of those iconic melee units, such as Incubi? They are my absolute favourite unit in the entire Drukhari range, and they are now truly frightening combatants. They have a klaive that hits at +1 Strength and AP -3… yikes that’s going to hurt! The leader of a unit is a beast as well, gaining +2 damage if he rolls a 6 to wound. This unit will be dominating their Fight phases in the new Warhammer 40,000. When you pair them up with some of the characters for added bonuses, such as the man himself, Drazhar, you will have a devastating combo. I am happily painting more for my army, now!



Wyches will be seen in greater numbers too. Honestly, this might be one of the top 3 most improved units in all of the new edition! They get the 4+ invulnerable save in the Fight phase, just like before, and can now dish out some damage in combat. Their hydra gauntlets and razorflails are fantastic, giving their attacks -1 AP. But their real talent is in the No Escape special rule.



When an enemy infantry unit in melee tries to Fall Back out of combat with Wyches, they can only do so if they win a roll-off with you. That is so incredibly powerful because it will protect your close combat units from getting shot and allows you to kill whatever you are locked in combat with. Units like the T’au Crisis Suits I was telling you about last time will no longer be able to simply leave combat and shoot you to bits! The Wyches have been a lot of fun to play with and will be accompanying my Incubi on the tabletop for a vicious one-two combo.



I hope all you Drukhari players are as excited to put your armies on the tables as I am. There are so many more exciting developments to talk about with this faction but so little time. I didn’t even get to touch on Haemonculus Covens! But all of that will come in time.

 nintura wrote:
"You can even fire Pistol weapons out of the vehicle when it is engaged in close combat!"

Interesting.

Daedalus81 wrote:
The faction focus today is awesome. Tons of detail. I think DE players might be happy.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/17/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-drukhari-may17/

Daedalus81 wrote:
Dark Eldar are up!

 docdoom77 wrote:


Raiders sound amazing and don't suffer the movement penalty to firing heavy weapons and Disintegrators actually sound really good!

So, you know how everyone got worried about the free fall back rule? Well wyches can negate that

 Leth wrote:

They have streamlined the game and removed a LOT of randomness from things like movement and deployment.

There are so many things that you can now plan for instead of having areas where your entire battle plan gets screwed by a single gakky die role. You get more control over morale and fallbacks, you get more control over unit movement and placement, you dont scatter and can make!

tneva82 wrote:

 Leth wrote:

They have streamlined the game and removed a LOT of randomness from things like movement and deployment.

There are so many things that you can now plan for instead of having areas where your entire battle plan gets screwed by a single gakky die role. You get more control over morale and fallbacks, you get more control over unit movement and placement, you dont scatter and can make!

Which might be good if you want chess, less so id you want wargame. Generals and soldiers don't have god view like players have.

40k moves more and more away from war to abstract marker pushing

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 nintura wrote:
"You can even fire Pistol weapons out of the vehicle when it is engaged in close combat!"

Interesting.

Yeah, I saw that too. Does that mean vehicles can now be locked in combat, and that wyches can keep them locked in combat?

Daedalus81 wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Do we know how far people fallback from combat or is it also tied to your movement value?

It will be your move value.