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And thus the line between Space Marine and Stormcast gets ever blurrier. Not that I'm against female Marines, but can something be a bit different.

To be fair to Yodhrin, they are seemingly moving away from grimdark, a move I certainly wouldn't call. All the attraction to playing Guard and Marines to an extent is lost when it's all "Oh, the Imperium is making a comeback, even though there's only 1 Primarch compared to several like in the Great Crusade. But hey, look at these new Marines to save everyone!". Fighting against unwinnable odds is what drawn me to my Crimson Fists, but now the grimdark is loosening up, the Fists may as well be just another Chapter.

 MLaw wrote:

So lemme get this right.. Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Custodes and I think even Orks too tbh can all have hover tanks.. and that's fine but the second Space Marines get them some line has been crossed that completely blurs the distinctions between the armies? I'm struggling with this one..

EDIT: Before anyone asks: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ork_Minelayer there might be others that I can't think of atm

Also EDIT: Jetbikes spans that same list.. exactly.. I think.. actually I am not entirely sure what those things Necrons have are but they hover dammit..

You're making the case for me. Like I said its the different combinations of concepts that help to create the character of different factions. What each faction doesn't have is just as important as what they do have. IIf a defining trait of space marines relative to others is that they don't presently have jetbike technology when everyone else does, and then you give them that technology it is no longer a point of distinction. Each is unique in the combination of what they have, when a trait is defined by uniquely being absent adding those things and removing that unique absence creates a exponential decline in uniqueness with each reused concept. It is a question of whether you want that kind of substantive quality or just different veneers. Think about how its defined space marines the last 6 editions; the limitations of the Imperium means they can only produce land speeders and not jetbikes as they can't make the technology any more compact, or whatever.

I think this is a consequence of GW's dev team organization, there is a space marine team and there is a 40k team covering the rest, with people being shuffled between the two.... the mentality is that to the same degree they see "40k "as a product, they see "Space Marines" at that same level. At times they are put at odds where the quality of "40k" is compromised for the sake of "Space Marines."

 MLaw wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
So it is like a hovercraft? The tech to make DA jetbikes is gone but they make hover tanks?

Yes.. ?

Did Homer Simpson design this abomination?! The Repulsor looks significantly better than that at least.

New tank? Whatever... I just realized why drop pods are 105 points now.

You now have to stay 1" away from my drop pod petals as I place a wall of them across the battlefield.

They're part of the model... There's no more rules for vehicle hulls etc.

But don't worry to much. You can now also shoot the petal to destroy them.

For those who prefer the stagnant Imperium, there are links in the OP about the "Dark Imperium". The galaxy is in half, we have both a progressive and regressive imperium at the same time.

All information in the OP.

Please take further discussion of this topic to a general thread. You shouldnt have to wait for a mod to hand you a warning, they have a hard enough time keeping this thread in check.

 oni wrote:
New tank? Whatever... I just realized why drop pods are 105 points now.

You now have to stay 1" away from my drop pod petals as I place a wall of them across the battlefield.

They're part of the model... There's no more rules for vehicle hulls etc.

But don't worry to much. You can now also shoot the petal to destroy them.

Oh god, this again.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

So lemme get this right.. Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Necrons, Custodes and I think even Orks too tbh can all have hover tanks.. and that's fine but the second Space Marines get them some line has been crossed that completely blurs the distinctions between the armies? I'm struggling with this one..

EDIT: Before anyone asks: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ork_Minelayer there might be others that I can't think of atm

Also EDIT: Jetbikes spans that same list.. exactly.. I think.. actually I am not entirely sure what those things Necrons have are but they hover dammit..

You're making the case for me. Like I said its the different combinations of concepts that help to create the character of different factions. What each faction doesn't have is just as important as what they do have. IIf a defining trait of space marines relative to others is that they don't presently have jetbike technology when everyone else does, and then you give them that technology it is no longer a point of distinction. Each is unique in the combination of what they have, when a trait is defined by uniquely being absent adding those things and removing that unique absence creates a exponential decline in uniqueness with each reused concept. It is a question of whether you want that kind of substantive quality or just different veneers. Think about how its defined space marines the last 6 editions; the limitations of the Imperium means they can only produce land speeders and not jetbikes as they can't make the technology any more compact, or whatever.

I think this is a consequence of GW's dev team organization, there is a space marine team and there is a 40k team covering the rest, with people being shuffled between the two.... the mentality is that to the same degree they see "40k "as a product, they see "Space Marines" at that same level. At times they are put at odds where the quality of "40k" is compromised for the sake of "Space Marines."

I think you're missing the point.. ALL OF THOSE ARMIES have hover tanks and yet are somehow different. It's not the equipment that defines the army. "Hover Tank" is a classification of a vehicle and doesn't differ in any way than the fact that each army has some sort of basic combat rifle or projectile system and some form of infantry. Your assertion is the equivalent of exclaiming that any army with power armor must automatically be exactly like the Space Marines. You're thinking in terms of entries in an army list (from how you're describing it) rather than what you're actually seeing. This flying brick that we're looking at is so stereotypical to canon that it looks like the old Thunderhawk (Epic) or Leviathan, or Land Raider, or Rhino.. it "looks" like it belongs in a Space Marine army.. The classification that it happens to have is irrelevant. Moreover, it IS a part of the Space Marine army so anyone with hangups on what should and shouldn't be produced by the company that actually gets to decide that is really just projecting the fan-fiction continuity of the 40k universe each of us has in our own heads onto everyone else.
In my head, this happened ages ago. I've been so frustrated that GW took this long to put out a hovertank for imperial forces.

The part that is super laughable to me though.. is that you've been able to mix and match whatever you wanted so we get these Frankenstein's Monster lists that are mishmashes of Tau and Eldar and IG or whatever.. but somehow suddenly the backstory is important? This community


EDIT: That's my last bit on the subject as we've been kindly nudged to drop it

That (non-Cawl) tech thinking he could totally just bolt this thing onto that thing and produce a new thing is a HERETIC WHO'S BRAIN IS BEING EATEN BY CHAOS!!
Either that or he's dangerously ignorant of the machine spirits and needs to be recycled before he accidentally creates a new breed of biology detesting metal men.

Incidentally, Mars is awash with lost and ostensibly innaccessible technological marvels. Could be one of the tech diving parties managed to avoid being dissolved by some super evolved acid spitting carnivorous toaster long enough to sneak out a 7000 yr old Emperor approved reapplication of gravitic plates sticker.

40000 years of wild technology. Poking dragons with unapproved sticks will only end in more tears. Stupid unholy Xenos.

Another thing I'm not seeing is rules regarding who can go in a transport and when. E.g. could you just take ten blood letters and whack em in a landraider regardless of detachment

Anyway, getting this boat back on track, I'm thinking putting that Assault Cannon in a different place, maybe on the front left side of the Tank, or maybe taking it off all together. The missiles are mostly going to be removed, or at least moved to a less busy location. The ski/sleds are going to be taken off as well, but just the front bit with bars on. The rest of the metallic parts will be painted the same colour as the Chapter colours, as we've seen looks much better. That should be it for changes, though the kit I'm really excited for is the Land Raider Terminus Ultra to return - it has rules again in the Index Imperium 1, so a follow up kit must be in the works. Can't wait for the 8 Lascannon shots coming out of that thing!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Warhammer-40-000?_requestid=409437

Preorders arent up yet, although some elements have already been updated

 Latro_ wrote:
Another thing I'm not seeing is rules regarding who can go in a transport and when. E.g. could you just take ten blood letters and whack em in a landraider regardless of detachment

Each transport, so far, has said, specifically, which units it can transport by means of keywords. For example all Marine tanks so far specify that they can transport Space Marine Infantry but exclude Primaris marines.

 Latro_ wrote:
Another thing I'm not seeing is rules regarding who can go in a transport and when. E.g. could you just take ten blood letters and whack em in a landraider regardless of detachment

Each transport specifies what models it can carry. Usually ones it shares a <CHAPTER>, <LEGION>, <CRAFTWORLD>, <SQUAT BROTHERHOOD> etc. with.

Limited Edition Rule Book is like $827 NZ dollars.

Hooooohhhhh

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
MK X armour is Pre-Heresy? That's new to me.

The Primaris were designed 10,000 years ago along with their equipment and armor and kept in stasis, right? That would technically make them pre heresy.


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 kodos wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Now the question is, does that mean every one else in the imperium gets a grav tank now? Or is Cawl just going to go "nuh uh, my tank. Get your own plans"

as Primaris cannot be transported by anything lese I guess this one will exclusive transport primaris

I mean future grav tank releases. Like an Imperial Guard grav tank, an admech grav tank, inquisitorial grav tank, etc etc.

I can see the Adeptus Mechanicus having grav tanks. And the Inquisition can use anything they damn well please.


The Guard? Not so much. The best I expect is them getting limited access to now-exclusive Marine units like Land Speeders. The plugs for the Forge World indexes mention that factions will have access to units that haven't been available to them previously.


Front the Community's Forge World page:

On top of that, several units will be made available to factions that never previously had access to them,

However, that can mean anything. I would love for the Guard to get new toys. And I would love for the Sisters to get more flame-spewing vehicles in their TO&E. I won't hold my breath, though.

$826 for the limited edition rulebook n NZ !

Warhams-77 wrote:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Warhammer-40-000?_requestid=409437

Preorders arent up yet, although some elements have already been updated

Shouldn't be too long now, can't wait to see some of the 360 paintjobs. Hopefully everything goes up for pre order today including the dice so GW can attempt to react to any high demand that causes mass sell outs of accessories.

It is upon us.

Quickly putting in the numbers, direct conversion means the Limited Edition is £476.94, or $615.01. I don't know how relevant this is considering how badly the Aussies get treated, but something to keep in mind. Seeing this, the £250 price tag seems quite accurate unfortunately. Poor Australia.

 Rayvon wrote:
$826 for the limited edition rulebook n NZ !

So that means..
*calculations*
About $15 USD?

Those prices are nuts

Well... seems that GW wants gold plated trucks of cocaine again. What the hell...

For the matter:
https://twitter.com/edgeblend

This guy has confirmed in twitter that the new Repulsor Tank as all the Primaris Line has been work of Jess Goodwin for about the last 4 years to make it with a consistent look about all of the Primaris Range.

Maybe thats why we can see so much "but this new dreadnought is the torso of one with the legs of the other..."


Plus, we can see here the ancestror of the Repulsor Tank

Putting aside the baffling price for the LE rule book in NZ, the actual Dark Imperium box set pricing is a pleasant surprise

I expected it to be around the same price as Calth, Prospero etc, but it's cheaper.

Still, I'm in the UK on business next month, so I'll still pick up a copy there for about 30% less.

Now that I can see the miniatures in 360º the two ones that I didn't liked as much (The Gravis Captain and the Inceptors) look so much better.

The Inceptor looks like he is using his legs to "lead" himsellf to the front, using the thrusters in his legs, he doesn't look anymore as if he didn't know what to do with his legs.


Plus, the Lord of Contagion look SO much better with a slighly darker illumination


Old one for comparison:

I went to go watch the VOD for the live game from 6 hours ago
I need to be a paid subscriber to see it, lol wut?

Are they trying to advertise their game or their twitch channel, how much more daft could they be

True, and it's indeed a great model

There is a paint scheme page, from the Death Guard booklet, in the Dark Imperium store entry by the way, with some fluff snippets

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Warhammer-40000-dark-imperium-eng-2017

I cannot directly link to it on my tablet

$826 for NZ, Jeebus that's steep

Lord Kragan wrote:
Well... seems that GW wants gold plated trucks of cocaine again. What the hell...

It seems GW's MO these days is to price their regular products relatively reasonable/slightly expensive...and then hunt their whale customers like Moby Dick!

 Accolade wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:
Well... seems that GW wants gold plated trucks of cocaine again. What the hell...

It seems GW's MO these days is to price their regular products relatively reasonable/slightly expensive...and then hunt their whale customers like Moby Dick!

Its because Whales that the Free to play model exist.

I am going to be using Lord of Contagion as a counts as Typhus. Model is just too cool.


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Pre-orders still not up on Aussie site