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 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Wunzlez wrote:
Someone else has probably noticed this already amongst other errors, but under the entry for Obliterators on the leaked chaos book the rules for strength, armour piercing and damage are listed as 6+D3, D3 & D3 respectively.

However the explanation for this system and the example given are wrong. It states in demonstration that "For example if the rolls were a 1, followed by a 3, followed by a 2, then that unit's attacks would have a Strength of 7, an AP of - 3, and a damage of 2 for that shooting phase or overwatch attack"

Spot the obvious mistake?

And with my pointless and extremely specific pedantry quota filled, I'm of to recharge.

Except for the fact that the entry lists the AP as -D3, not D3, so the obvious mistake is you read it wrong.

Unless you're kidding, he means that rolls of 3 and 2 would result in AP -2 and damage 1 respectively.

 Mymearan wrote:


Wait a minute... Space Marines are getting the old Scatter Laser laser lock?

Actually, it's like the old coaxial weapons rule from Forgeworld.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Wunzlez wrote:
Someone else has probably noticed this already amongst other errors, but under the entry for Obliterators on the leaked chaos book the rules for strength, armour piercing and damage are listed as 6+D3, D3 & D3 respectively.

However the explanation for this system and the example given are wrong. It states in demonstration that "For example if the rolls were a 1, followed by a 3, followed by a 2, then that unit's attacks would have a Strength of 7, an AP of - 3, and a damage of 2 for that shooting phase or overwatch attack"

Spot the obvious mistake?

And with my pointless and extremely specific pedantry quota filled, I'm of to recharge.

Except for the fact that the entry lists the AP as -D3, not D3, so the obvious mistake is you read it wrong.

Unless you're kidding, he means that rolls of 3 and 2 would result in AP -2 and damage 1 respectively.

You're rolling a D3. The example in the limited space available on the unit's datasheet simply omits the usual process of rolling a D6 and halving the result. The numbers given are the final D3 results.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Wunzlez wrote:
Someone else has probably noticed this already amongst other errors, but under the entry for Obliterators on the leaked chaos book the rules for strength, armour piercing and damage are listed as 6+D3, D3 & D3 respectively.

However the explanation for this system and the example given are wrong. It states in demonstration that "For example if the rolls were a 1, followed by a 3, followed by a 2, then that unit's attacks would have a Strength of 7, an AP of - 3, and a damage of 2 for that shooting phase or overwatch attack"

Spot the obvious mistake?

And with my pointless and extremely specific pedantry quota filled, I'm of to recharge.

Except for the fact that the entry lists the AP as -D3, not D3, so the obvious mistake is you read it wrong.

Unless you're kidding, he means that rolls of 3 and 2 would result in AP -2 and damage 1 respectively.

Unless theyre rolling actual D3s and not D6s.

I said god damn at the australian prices.. Im gonna buy myself a boat and start smuggling Warhammer to you. How many hours does to take to row from Sweden?

Try to arrive in Australia undocumented by boat, and you're going to have a bad time...

Thommy H wrote:
You're rolling a D3. The example in the limited space available on the unit's datasheet simply omits the usual process of rolling a D6 and halving the result. The numbers given are the final D3 results.

Not even space issue I would say. When you roll d3 your results are 1, 2 and 3. Not 4, 6 or 6.

3 in a d3 is a 3.

fattdex wrote:
Try to arrive in Australia undocumented by boat, and you're going to have a bad time...

Can confirm, spent 9 years in the Navy, left last November.

 warboss wrote:

 JBSchroeds wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Rumored repulsive Repulsor stats on Faeit212 (apparently from "good sources" :

[...]

Transport Capacity 7, can only transport Primaris Marines

[...]

Must have a "Must be this tall to ride" marker next to the door.

I hope that turns out not to be true because it stinks of cash-grab. What other reason could there be that normal marines couldn't fit?

They said that Primaris marines have two additional implants on top of those Astartes Secondus have. Perhaps they're Kardashian Pattern Cheek Implants? If that were the case, normal marines may simply not fit in the seats of the Grav Raider properly.

Actually they have 3 additional implants https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/29/new-warhammer-40000-the-ultima-founding-may29gw-homepage-post-4/

So, GW recently managed to:

- ruin 40k fluff (ultra ultra moronis marines)
- ruin 40k artwork (majority being the soulless, characterless cgi crap)
- ruin the look of minis (more and more busy/ cartoonish/ awful sculpts)
- ruin the rules (removing depth from the already shallow rules)
- ruin whfb (to say the least heh)

but someow they get a pass here? Disagree with the above if you want but you have to agree that a few years back, GW would be torn to bits for the changes like 8th edition brings. People were bashing them mercilessly because of Matt Ward, well Ward was nothing compared to girlyman riding moronis marines to victory, the latter is Marvel superhero level of crap. Are we happy there's hope now in 40k, was it too bleak and depressing?

Or is it because they "listen" now? Because they seem to be listening to the wrong people and imo this GW is magnitudes worse than the old, silent one.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
So, GW recently managed to:

- ruin 40k fluff (ultra ultra moronis marines)
- ruin 40k artwork (majority being the soulless, characterless cgi crap)
- ruin the look of minis (more and more busy/ cartoonish/ busy sculpts)
- ruin the rules (removing depth from the already shallow rules)
- ruin whfb (to say the least heh)

but someow they get a pass here? Disagree with the above if you want but you have to agree that a few years back, GW would be torn to bits for the changes like 8th edition brings.

We like the changes. Well some of us do. If you dont like it, play Warhammer 35k, sell your stuff, or look at the positives instead.

 Rippy wrote:
Rumored repulsive Repulsor stats on Faeit212 (apparently from "good sources" :

Power level 14

S7 T8 W13 Sv3+
Turret - Heavy Lascannon, Heavy Stubber
*Resolve shots with Heavy Stubber first, if the Heavy Lascannon targets a unit hit by the Stubber, it may reroll misses

Hull-mounted Twin Lascannon, swivels up/down and left/right

Rotor cannon is a pintle mounted upgrade

Missiles: Roll a D6 at the start of each fight phase for each enemy unit within 1", on a 4+ it takes D3 mortal wounds (slightly better Frag Assault Launchers)

Transport Capacity 7, can only transport Primaris Marines

Decays its Movement/BS/Attacks as it loses wounds
Movement 10" BS 3+ Attacks 3 base

Seems rather ridiculous to limit it to only Primaris SMs though. I think the first house rule I'd allow for SM players (I'm not one) is to let any SM player take them as normal.

What sort of possible reason could they have for not allowing normal SM to use them? It's not like normal SM players can't fit in the door. My suspicion is that it's a forced mechanism to get people to buy Primaris. Shame the model is pants...

These are only rumors, but it does seem to be a cash grab/start of phasing out old marines.

To add insult to injury, after the new moronis marines brought a promise of a modernised, sleek scifi look, GW released their dreadnougt and tank which look 10x goofier than the old dread/ landraider, almost orky in apperance, more like a parody than a serious addition. Sad imo.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
So, GW recently managed to:

- ruin 40k fluff (ultra ultra moronis marines)
- ruin 40k artwork (majority being the soulless, characterless cgi crap)
- ruin the look of minis (more and more busy/ cartoonish/ busy sculpts)
- ruin the rules (removing depth from the already shallow rules)
- ruin whfb (to say the least heh)

but someow they get a pass here? Disagree with the above if you want but you have to agree that a few years back, GW would be torn to bits for the changes like 8th edition brings. People were bashing them mercilessly because of Matt Ward, well Ward was nothing compared to girlyman riding moronis marines to victory, the latter is Marvel superhero level of crap, are we happy there's hope now in 40k, was it too bleak and depressing?

Or is it because they "listen" now? Because they seem to be listening to the wrong people and imo this GW is magnitudes worse than the old, silent one.

Because people were desperate to find some sort of hope to cling to, whether they be existing fanboys, jaded fans, or people who'd since left but wanted an excuse to return. So Nu-GW started investing in some actual PR along the lines of, "Hey guys! We're one of you! Look at these quirky videos of us and our previews? Gosh darn we're the Nu-GW(tm)! You can trust us!" What this gave people the impression of was that this was going to be a 180 reversal from the past.

I fully expect the hype-train from 8th to crash hard in a few weeks to a few months though. The usual signs that GW has absolutely awful writers are already starting to show through the cracks, the lore has actually got WORSE and the Space Marine spank has ramped up even higher than before... though, given a lot of people would probably be happy if 40k was literally Space Marine vs Space Marine I don't know if that's a point against them in the eyes of some people. Like you said, if Gulliman's lore came out a year ago we'd probably be seeing an army march on Warhammer World to burn it down and lynch Ward, but because this is the NU-GW AND WE'RE YOUR FRIENDS ;^) people will defend it to the death... at least for now.

I mean if I'm wrong in the long-term then great, but I'm not holding my breath. I just don't think this is going to be the Second Coming people generally think it's going to be looking around the web and those people will get hit hard when it dawns on 'em.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
but someow they get a pass here?

Never mind all the other gak, the alleged "justification" for the post is even worse. Between the dozens of posters with hundreds of posts in this thread alone all making various complaints about the new fluff, new edition, new anything, pretty much, you somehow believe GW are getting "a pass" for whatever it is that was so important that you forgot to explain was prompting your complaint?
Wow.

I don't understand the hate. 40k has just been stale and stagnating for the last 20 or so years with hardly any lore or story advancement that it drastically needs.

This story, however shoehorned and cliche it is, is what 40k needs to start evolving as a game, with new goodies and story.

While a couple of people have been defending it to death, the general response to the naysaying has been "I feel sorry that you can't be excited".

7th is a mess. Rules wise, fluff wise and until recently, GW wise.

8th rules look fun, hardly as convoluted.

Alot of us wanted story progression, and I am enjoying the story (being a chaos fan boy, even though the focus has been on Imperium).

I guess can't really talk right now though, with all these great Death Guard releases, and being the focus of the story at the start.

I also like how they have handled the new marine fluff. They are not forcing you to upgrade, but they are providing you the means to slowly upgrade, or outright upgrade your marines.

The new models are generally stunning, and well designed (even if it's not to your personal taste).

They are engaging the community, play testing the rules, and listening to the feedback with yearly updates.

I am not defending this in to the ground, or trying to shove happiness down your throat, but I am proud to admit of my excitement for this.

Just look at the OP, and the amount of information that is contained therein.

 Rippy wrote:
While a couple of people have been defending it to death, the general response to the naysaying has been "I feel sorry that you can't be excited".

I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed. Like I said, if I'm wrong? Great. I hope I am.

And they are for sale on the EU site.Let's see how quick they sell out.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
While a couple of people have been defending it to death, the general response to the naysaying has been "I feel sorry that you can't be excited".

I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed. Like I said, if I'm wrong? Great. I hope I am.

My post was more directed at the person you were quoting, while it is wise to keep the excitement at an arms length noting GW's history, I have gone full blown hype, infact I feel like I am the conductor on the hype train

Anyway, I won't continue this line of conversation any further as it has gone off topic.

The limited editions really have shot up in price, I remember it as about £80 for the 6th edition book.

The last version of warhammer I bought the LE was cheaper than that.

God dang, that price for the limited edition. I really want it, but I don't think I can justify that price..

The new 40k has revitilising my interest in the game element of the 40k hobby, 6th and even worse 7th I did not enjoy and all that I have read so far for 8th is more in keeping with the game style I want to play.

With regard to the fluff changes - ambivalent about them until I read it all and absorb it. I don;t mind the whole Cawl/RG story but hope that Cawl will do the same for the Ad EMch foces that he has done for the Astartes - in particular give them transports.

The new marines are simply a way to resell the army to those who already have it - they will be more and more focussed on but given that GW had stubornly stuck to only updating the same old snowflake Chapters with more and more outlandish flavour units like wolfy wolf wolves riding wolves with wolf swords - urghhh - the new Marines and the transport at least look better than that and the Dark Angel Speeder etc etc.

Sadly this does mean yet another wave of Marine stuff which clogs the process and means those armies which desperatly need new plastic will have to wait - yet again and strangely enough not sell as much as Marines which will help convince GW to make .........more Marines.

I hope that there will be more variety in the models made for factions with the new edition but I think it will remain 80% Marines.

What a price for the limited edition! I am so tempted to buy it... But feth it's really expensive!

 RyanAvx wrote:
I don't understand the hate. 40k has just been stale and stagnating for the last 20 or so years with hardly any lore or story advancement that it drastically needs.

This story, however shoehorned and cliche it is, is what 40k needs to start evolving as a game, with new goodies and story.

It didn\t get story advances because it's not a story but a setting.

Well it was until GW forgot that their original idea was rather than players depending on being spoon fed bad story it was supposed to be players fighting out advances themselves.

Just had a FW email but the links aren't working yet. Looks like they are doing super-heavy bundles too but they aren't active yet either.

Pre-order placed.

Dark sphere were the cheapest I could find £75.05 including delivery.

The anticipation is killing me. FW, y you fail so much??? :\

FW is working for me?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/Warhammer-40-000?N=102708+3129408095&_requestid=1053810