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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/09/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-astra-militarum/

Orders auto pass? Yes please!

Im excited to see how things are priced but the fact they mentioned rough riders gives me hope.

Hell. Yes. This literally just made my day

"Even Ratlings – with their sniper weapons allowing them to pick out and target Characters "

Well that answers another question

Well that confirms two things I thought
Rapid Fire (X) will be (X) shots, doubled at half range
and Snipers will ignore the "can't target characters unless they're the closest" mechanic

Honestly this is good. It's encouraging they're taking steps to make the guard playable.

Leman Russ confirmed at 24 HP

 Talamare wrote:
Leman Russ confirmed at 24 HP

12.

%^

Thousands of flashlights...all wounding on 6

Jbz` wrote:
Well that confirms two things I thought
Rapid Fire (X) will be (X) shots, doubled at half range

This mean that 50 BS2 Conscripts at half range will only need 10 turns to flashlight a Morkanaut to death!

 Unusual Suspect wrote:

 Talamare wrote:
Leman Russ confirmed at 24 HP

12.

I feel like the grammar on that sentence could have been slightly better. <-- This sentence probably also suffers from poor grammar. <-- As does this one.

Either way, another confirmed 8 Toughness
I didn't really care about Morkanaut being Toughness 8, but if even the common Leman Russ is Toughness 8. Then we are definitely going to need to focus some resources on bringing Lascannons over Missiles or Autos.

 Talamare wrote:

Jbz` wrote:
Well that confirms two things I thought
Rapid Fire (X) will be (X) shots, doubled at half range

This mean that 50 BS2 Conscripts at half range will only need 10 turns to flashlight a Morkanaut to death!

10 turns is 1000 shots. I think you can do it in 6 turns.

Pancakey wrote:

 Talamare wrote:

Jbz` wrote:
Well that confirms two things I thought
Rapid Fire (X) will be (X) shots, doubled at half range

This mean that 50 BS2 Conscripts at half range will only need 10 turns to flashlight a Morkanaut to death!

10 turns is 1000 shots. I think you can do it in 6 turns.

50 * 4 * 10 = 2000 shots <3

1/3 * 1/6 * 1/6 = 1/108
18 / (1/108) = 1944 Flashlights to kill Mork in Cover

Edit, Oh I guess it would be 1000 without 1st/2nd that I meant to imply, but I suppose I forgot to.

Everything said in that article got me 1000% more hyped for 8th edition.
Leman Russes being good, rough riders and bullgrins being good, snipers being more useful than ever, orders going off automatically, first rank, second rank getting a close quarters buff. Such goodness!
Now all I need to hear is that tanks can ram and I'm basically set for life

Urm... Morkonauts only have a 3+ save.

Hitting on 5s (1/3), wounding on 6s (1/6), then saving on a 3+ (1/3) for 1/54. Times 18 wounds is 972, or just under 5 turns.

Bolter vs Russ
2/3 * 1/6 * 1/3 (1/6 Cover) = 2/54 (2/108)
12 / (2/54) = 324 Shots Normal
12 / (2/108) = 648 Shots Cover

Lascannon vs Russ
2/3 * 2/3 * 2/3 (2/3 Cover) = 20/54 (8/27)
12 / (3.5 * (20/54)) = 9.257
12 / (3.5 * (8/27)) = 11.571

These are excellent changes. I am thrilled that my recently completed Rough Rider conversion project, which was a bit of a gamble considering they might not have existed in 8th, will be paying off!

 Talamare wrote:
Bolter vs Russ
2/3 * 1/6 * 1/3 (1/6 Cover) = 2/54 (2/108)
12 / (2/54) = 324 Shots Normal
12 / (2/108) = 648 Shots Cover

Lascannon vs Russ
2/3 * 2/3 * 2/3 (2/3 Cover) = 20/54 (8/27)
12 / (3.5 * (20/54)) = 9.257
12 / (3.5 * (8/27)) = 11.571

Does this include the rend value from the lascannon?

All I've wanted from this edition is for Rough Riders to stay... yes. I started collecting Tallarn and will be happy to field cavalry in the battlefields of the 4 1st millennium. Be scared xenos and traitor scum, the Tallarn are coming.

Ultimately the Russ may actually be more fragile than they are now, despite appearing tough with 12 wounds. Given that the Russ was already mostly immune to stuff like Scatterlasers, aside from CC it was mainly big guns that will likely all do multiple damage in the new ruleset.

Looking at the example Lascannon, it absolutely will take fewer Lascannons to kill a Russ in 8E over 7E, as the wounds and save are overwhelmed by lower T (T8 is equivalent to AV12, not 14) and high Damage stats.

Lets hope cost and firepower balance this out.


Everything else looked neat, but will wait to see the final product before hoping that IG will be solid.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Ultimately the Russ may actually be more fragile than they are now, despite appearing tough with 12 wounds. Given that the Russ was already mostly immune to stuff like Scatterlasers, aside from CC it was mainly big guns that will likely all do multiple damage in the new ruleset.

Looking at the example Lascannon, it absolutely will take fewer Lascannons to kill a Russ in 8E over 7E, as the wounds and save are overwhelmed by lower T (T8 is equivalent to AV12, not 14) and high Damage stats.

Lets hope cost and firepower balance this out.


Everything else looked neat, but will wait to see the final product before hoping that IG will be solid.

8th edition shooting is going to see models removed from the table at a pace never before seen in a non-apocalypse game. It's going to be absolutely insane. So insane in fact that GW had to create a special rule to protect characters from the intense "uber-shooting".

If an IC like ROWBOAT needs "special protection" via rules, what hope do non protected models have!

Meh. Everything screams "people didn't buy Ogryns/Bullgryns/Sentinels, because they sucked, let's make them good, so people start buying those ugly as hell kits"

The way I'm looking at it is that in 7th edition a single lucky shot from a lascannon could take out a Rus. In 8th, you'll need a minimum of 2 lucky shots.

"The tanks of the Imperium have had a rough go of it in the current version of the Warhammer 40,000 ruleset, prone to getting destroyed in one shot or ingloriously throwing a tread going over a bush."

OMG. It's like someone at GW actually bothered to go play their own game.

Martel732 wrote:
"The tanks of the Imperium have had a rough go of it in the current version of the Warhammer 40,000 ruleset, prone to getting destroyed in one shot or ingloriously throwing a tread going over a bush."

OMG. It's like someone at GW actually bothered to go play their own game.

Well, technically they got someone else to play it for them, but the fact that they appear to have listened is quite a thing indeed!

Very nice!

 Otto von Bludd wrote:
The way I'm looking at it is that in 7th edition a single lucky shot from a lascannon could take out a Rus. In 8th, you'll need a minimum of 2 lucky shots.

the issue is that it's way easier to get those 2 lucky shots in 8E than that one lucky shot in 7E

A trilas Predator for example is going to have a dramatically higher chance to outright kill a Russ in a single salvo in 8E than in 7E, which is not encouraging given how fragile Russ tanks, and vehicle in general, are in 7E.

Martel732 wrote:
OMG. It's like someone at GW actually bothered to go play their own game.

Don't get ahead of yourself. If you read the start of the article you'll see that while he has clearly been brought in as a consultant for the playtesting, he is not from GW. So we can still assume no one at GW has ever played 40k before.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Otto von Bludd wrote:
The way I'm looking at it is that in 7th edition a single lucky shot from a lascannon could take out a Rus. In 8th, you'll need a minimum of 2 lucky shots.

the issue is that it's way easier to get those 2 lucky shots in 8E than that one lucky shot in 7E

A trilas Predator for example is going to have a dramatically higher chance to outright kill a Russ in a single salvo in 8E than in 7E, which is not encouraging given how fragile Russ tanks, and vehicle in general, are in 7E.

Tri-las predators SHOULD be lethal to other tanks. Not the joke they currently are. Cost them appropriately.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Otto von Bludd wrote:
The way I'm looking at it is that in 7th edition a single lucky shot from a lascannon could take out a Rus. In 8th, you'll need a minimum of 2 lucky shots.

the issue is that it's way easier to get those 2 lucky shots in 8E than that one lucky shot in 7E

A trilas Predator for example is going to have a dramatically higher chance to outright kill a Russ in a single salvo in 8E than in 7E, which is not encouraging given how fragile Russ tanks, and vehicle in general, are in 7E.

I do indeed see where you are coming from; a krak missile will wound a Rus on a 4+ now compared to a 6+, for example. However, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that a dedicated anti tank weapon is good against tanks. If my Rus dies because it was hit with a couple lucky lascannons I much much less annoyed than I would be (or rather, am, because this happens all the time in 7th) if it dies from 3 rear bolter hits or 3 space marine bro fists in melee like we see now. I think it's a good trade off to be honest. However we need to know how vehicle cover works and, like you said, how much firepower a Rus can put out now before we can make a more accurate judgement as to its worth.

Martel732 wrote:


Tri-las predators SHOULD be lethal to other tanks. Not the joke they currently are. Cost them appropriately.

Exactly.

"And the hype train just rolls on!"

Is he part of the GW marketing department now too?