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Do you think the new Largestartes mark the beginning of ALL marines transitioning to a larger scale?

Yes, they pretty much state it outright if you read between the lines with the numarines getting nu tanks and numarine variants.

Yes. There's gonna be nueverything. It will take some time but eventually they will over take all the existing marine armies

Yes there'll be new everything, but the blurb also says still a role for old everything too....

I just don't want to believe my two marine armies are eventually going to go join my 25000 points of fantasy armies on the dust gathering shelf.

Sadness.

stroller wrote:
Yes there'll be new everything, but the blurb also says still a role for old everything too....

That's just marketing speak. AoS also gave all the old factions rules only to never touch them aain and replace with dwoarves, aelves, orukks and whatever else while still being technically playable.

Pancakey wrote:
I just don't want to believe my two marine armies are eventually going to go join my 25000 points of fantasy armies on the dust gathering shelf.

Sadness.

My condolences

Where did you see confirmation about new tanks? I must have missed that.

But in all seriousness, they would have to be costed very high, or have less overall options, for them not to completely supplant a TAC squad.

Of course, we're ignoring that TAC squads were already garbage, and if you had 25,000 points of TAC marines, I don't know what to tell you. :/

 Marmatag wrote:
Where did you see confirmation about new tanks? I must have missed that.

But in all seriousness, they would have to be costed very high, or have less overall options, for them not to completely supplant a TAC squad.

Of course, we're ignoring that TAC squads were already garbage, and if you had 25,000 points of TAC marines, I don't know what to tell you. :/

The FAQ
"Will there be multiple types of Primaris Space Marines?

You bet. So far you’ve seen the Intercessors, the line infantry clad in Mk X armour, but there are plenty more on the way. And likely vehicles too…"

Pancakey wrote:
I just don't want to believe my two marine armies are eventually going to go join my 25000 points of fantasy armies on the dust gathering shelf.

Sadness.

See, that is why I am on a purchase freeze for my chapter project, right now I have about 75% of a battle company minus vehicle. Gotta see how this numareen thing pans out

"Yes there'll be new everything, but the blurb also says still a role for old everything too....

That's just marketing speak. AoS also gave all the old factions rules only to never touch them aain and replace with dwoarves, aelves, orukks and whatever else while still being technically playable."

It might indeed be marketing speak. On the other hand, my dwarfs, orcs, goblins and such are still actually playing (technical or no). I see no reason not to continue playing with what I already have. The new models do look nice, so maybe a squad or two will make their way into my collection.

a lotta the new vehicles will likely be useable by all. also my gut feeling is that GW is going out of their way to ensure there IS a place for old marines. for example they deliberatly engineered a weakness into the intercessor squad, to give the old school tac squad some advantages over it

I mean as long as you can do "counts as" everyone already has these marines.

Well at least I still have time to finish the 3rd company of the dark Angels and more deathwing I guess.

It's just really freaking demoralizing to know your entire army and factions you really grown to like just got benched and is going to turn into what the empire ore armies in AoS are now. It's a good thing I like to paint, but I don't foresee painting marines anymore. Probably just warmachines like knights, maybe 30k stuff now :/


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BrianDavion wrote:
a lotta the new vehicles will likely be useable by all. also my gut feeling is that GW is going out of their way to ensure there IS a place for old marines. for example they deliberatly engineered a weakness into the intercessor squad, to give the old school tac squad some advantages over it

That won't matter unfortunately, is not the power level that everyone is upset about. Look at AoS, empire is one of the best shooting armies and have some of the coolest toys, but GW has abandoned them. That's what's going to happen to current space marines. Sure you can use them, but what you see out now is the last update model wise and story you are probably gonna see.

Good night sweet prince.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

It's just really freaking demoralizing to know your entire army and factions you really grown to like just got benched

To some extent, I feel the same way. But we need to be patient and see what exactly their fit is in the game. If they can't take heavy/special weapons, there will still be a very real role for the TAC squad, if GW delivers on its promises.

 Marmatag wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

It's just really freaking demoralizing to know your entire army and factions you really grown to like just got benched

To some extent, I feel the same way. But we need to be patient and see what exactly their fit is in the game. If they can't take heavy/special weapons, there will still be a very real role for the TAC squad, if GW delivers on its promises.

They are probably going to be fitted like legions, all taking the same weapon.

I think they will take over as standard marines yes though I don't think GW will outright remove normal astartes rather eventually blend the profiles over the next edition or 2. or make it so you have scouts, more versital weapon / cheaper in points astartes and then retcon in as big marines are an upgrade and you pay more points for them. say a tac marine squad at 13 ppm can upgrade numarines for another 7ppm for an extra inch of move, extra wound, and extra attack. same with devs, assault marines etc. might actually fix devistators though lack of blasts may have already done that.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Well at least I still have time to finish the 3rd company of the dark Angels and more deathwing I guess.

It's just really freaking demoralizing to know your entire army and factions you really grown to like just got benched and is going to turn into what the empire ore armies in AoS are now. It's a good thing I like to paint, but I don't foresee painting marines anymore. Probably just warmachines like knights, maybe 30k stuff now :/


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BrianDavion wrote:
a lotta the new vehicles will likely be useable by all. also my gut feeling is that GW is going out of their way to ensure there IS a place for old marines. for example they deliberatly engineered a weakness into the intercessor squad, to give the old school tac squad some advantages over it

That won't matter unfortunately, is not the power level that everyone is upset about. Look at AoS, empire is one of the best shooting armies and have some of the coolest toys, but GW has abandoned them. That's what's going to happen to current space marines. Sure you can use them, but what you see out now is the last update model wise and story you are probably gonna see.

Good night sweet prince.

we'll see how it all goes. that said given that most of the best stories for 40k are eaither horus heresy, or don't involve space marines at all, I'm not too worried. event wise yeah I expect the Primarius Marines to be front and center in new events, (IIRC Hastings has said that is indeed whats gonna happen) that said as Primarius Marines are gonna be mixed in with standing chapters it's possiable that we'll see the old guard in use still. or GW'll be vague by saying "it's the ultramarines" and let us imagine what we will

Just really depressing knowing the deathwing are even more useless then 7th and are probably never going to get story development past now.

Who cares,every marines is exactly the same anyway. no one will notice the marines are different sizes because no ones ever managed to look at a marine army for more than 3 seconds without passing out from sheer boredom.

ERJAK wrote:
Who cares,every marines is exactly the same anyway. no one will notice the marines are different sizes because no ones ever managed to look at a marine army for more than 3 seconds without passing out from sheer boredom.

Guess you have seen really boring space marine armies then lol

It all comes down to if they sell. If they don't, no, they'll be a novelty unit that persists nearly forgotten.

If they do sell, then yes.

And... I have a feeling they're going to sell well...

Well, what I'm curious about is how this will change special characters. Will the plot advance far enough our named SM characters all die off, to be replaced by nu ones? Will they eventually get nu models with some odd lore about how they were "upgraded" with whatever these guys have?

 Roknar wrote:

stroller wrote:
Yes there'll be new everything, but the blurb also says still a role for old everything too....

That's just marketing speak. AoS also gave all the old factions rules only to never touch them aain and replace with dwoarves, aelves, orukks and whatever else while still being technically playable.

Yep absolutely correct. Most of the old factions were never touched in favor of sigmarines and the new chaos dudes. Then when new guy came in they added points values and re-made all the old factions.

They split skaven up into like 5 minor factions which can be played alongside chaos for idiotic reasons and butchered the fluff. Have fun spending thousands of dollars only to get your game thrown on its ass and destroyed and turned into something horrific. At least now 40k players know a fraction of what Fantasy was like. Also prepare to be alienated by the fans the buy into GW crapping on you as well as GW themselves after spending all that cash.

There's a good chance i'll leave 40k when 8th drops. I'll give it a shot but i don't have high hopes. These new marines sound absolutely assinine.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 Roknar wrote:

stroller wrote:
Yes there'll be new everything, but the blurb also says still a role for old everything too....

That's just marketing speak. AoS also gave all the old factions rules only to never touch them aain and replace with dwoarves, aelves, orukks and whatever else while still being technically playable.

Yep absolutely correct. Most of the old factions were never touched in favor of sigmarines and the new chaos dudes. Then when new guy came in they added points values and re-made all the old factions.

They split skaven up into like 5 minor factions which can be played alongside chaos for idiotic reasons and butchered the fluff. Have fun spending thousands of dollars only to get your game thrown on its ass and destroyed and turned into something horrific. At least now 40k players know a fraction of what Fantasy was like. Also prepare to be alienated by the fans the buy into GW crapping on you as well as GW themselves after spending all that cash.

There's a good chance i'll leave 40k when 8th drops. I'll give it a shot but i don't have high hopes. These new marines sound absolutely assinine.

so far everything I have seen with this drift towards AoS is convincing me greatly to drop 40k, the good news is, I LOVE SW:A so I will keep enough for that and drop the rest. the scale of the game is set to have even more models and the costs will continue as the older stuff wont remain competitive for long. with AoS I would have respected them more if they would have just been up front honest and dropped EVERYTHING from the old world, armies, characters, fluff, etc.. and made something totally new. with 40k I dont believe they are stupid enough to totally change the setting. setting and to some degree the models are all that GW has going for it, rules wise they have never been top tier.

Gonna probably sound stupid to ask but what is SW: A? I know here in the states X-wing is pretty popular and balanced as well as competitive.

Also if any of you want to play 40k virtually through something like vassal or tabletop simulator let me know as i'll be looking for that.

 Roknar wrote:

stroller wrote:
Yes there'll be new everything, but the blurb also says still a role for old everything too....

That's just marketing speak. AoS also gave all the old factions rules only to never touch them aain and replace with dwoarves, aelves, orukks and whatever else while still being technically playable.

God i can't even stand the new names they gave everything for copyright reasons. I don't think anybody will touch those names because GW is putting itself into the grave. The next time somebody tries to use their copyright names GW will be dead as a company or bought out.

SW:A is basically necromunda, or a more in depth version of killteam.
You play with teams of 3-10 individual guys.
Also yea, I made up dwoarves but it fits right in there with all their one letter changes -_-. Makes me face palm everytime.

 Roknar wrote:
SW:A is basically necromunda, or a more in depth version of killteam.
You play with teams of 3-10 individual guys.
Also yea, I made up dwoarves but it fits right in there with all their one letter changes -_-. Makes me face palm everytime.

Well if anybody wants to play 40k on tabletop simulator we can do that while GW digs its own grave or sorts itself out. Either way i don't think i'll be buying into this.

Could be worse. Could be seraphon which are apparently lizard warp entities now or some stupid BS like that. Imagine how i felt with skaven. Skaven, bretonnia and beastmen never got updated to 8th Fantasy. Skaven had about 8 pages of FAQ which still didn't address all their rules issues (more holes than swiss cheese in the army book rules), brets were old and kinda sucked and beastmen just sucked. The saddest bit is skaven were popular. At one point when i said i played skaven like 5-8 other people in the store chimed in that they had played skaven too and there was probably 15-20 people. It's like how Guard are fairly popular but GW sticks its head up its own *** over that one. I still think super-heavies and gargantuan (at least in normal 40k) as well as formations and the prices is where GW went wrong. Perhaps the company will be sold to people that can manage it better. Who knows?

stroller wrote:
"Yes there'll be new everything, but the blurb also says still a role for old everything too....

That's just marketing speak. AoS also gave all the old factions rules only to never touch them aain and replace with dwoarves, aelves, orukks and whatever else while still being technically playable."

It might indeed be marketing speak. On the other hand, my dwarfs, orcs, goblins and such are still actually playing (technical or no). I see no reason not to continue playing with what I already have. The new models do look nice, so maybe a squad or two will make their way into my collection.

You know.. Like Lizardmen, Savage Orcs, Skaven Pestilens, A bunch of Ghoul stuff...

Wait, they have touched them again and gave them rules as a result! Silly that, you must've overlooked those battletomes instead of trying to ignore them because they break your point.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

stroller wrote:
"Yes there'll be new everything, but the blurb also says still a role for old everything too....

That's just marketing speak. AoS also gave all the old factions rules only to never touch them aain and replace with dwoarves, aelves, orukks and whatever else while still being technically playable."

It might indeed be marketing speak. On the other hand, my dwarfs, orcs, goblins and such are still actually playing (technical or no). I see no reason not to continue playing with what I already have. The new models do look nice, so maybe a squad or two will make their way into my collection.

You know.. Like Lizardmen, Savage Orcs, Skaven Pestilens, A bunch of Ghoul stuff...

Wait, they have touched them again and gave them rules as a result! Silly that, you must've overlooked those battletomes instead of trying to ignore them because they break your point.

Name one new model they gave to those factions that didn't exist pre-AoS.

I'm not sure if Savage Orcs got something but it was probably bastardized yet again into a semi-new faction rather than its own full faction. Dwarfs got split but mostly nothing. Most attention was to chaos and sigmarines. After 2 whole years that's not a lot of attention to other factions. Also brets and tomb kings were discontinued. But hey AoS must be super popular for that to happen! Even considering a change in leadership at about that time with the head of GW getting canned. That's just a coincidence man!