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 Luciferian wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
I've only seen a few people here pissed off about 8th. Outside of these forums, i've only seen excitement.

And let's be honest, many of the doomsayers are nearly histrionic.

"OMG I can't roll on three different tables in two different books to see if my tank is destroyed by shrubbery, this game is so dumbed down and unrealistic! SIIIIIIIGGMMMARRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!"

Haha yeah, or they just don't understand math like even in the tiniest bit. "MEH BS2 STR3 WEPUNS CAN KEEL A TANKX0R!!111"

Every time someone whines about grots killing the Russ tank, I just think of those "So you're saying there's a chance?" memes.

Martel732 wrote:
Every time someone whines about grots killing the Russ tank, I just think of those "So you're saying there's a chance?" memes.

Makes me think of Futurama. "Yes, that's true, Stem Cells rubbed on your face can fight the signs of aging, in the same way an infant could fight Muhammed Ali."

All it takes is a dozen or so lucky shots, and a couple hundred unlucky ones to get there...

Haha. These are likely the same people acting like boltguns are a real threat to MCs in the current edition. If they were, Riptide wouldn't be rofl stomping traditional marine lists.

The negativity mostly comes from my own group. Primarily Tau-dar JGMC and raven-scars deathstar players. :p

Martel732 wrote:
Haha. These are likely the same people acting like boltguns are a real threat to MCs in the current edition. If they were, Riptide wouldn't be rofl stomping traditional marine lists.

These people should also be dumping a lot of fire into invisible units, or shooting at flying monstrous creatures, or planning for a really solid round of overwatch fire.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Traditio.

What?

There are certain aspects of 8th that I don't like. But overall, I am optimistic that 8th will be much better than 7th. It might even be playable.

I don't like the fact that vintage marines are effectively being squatted.

But then, at the end of the day, I can just use my vintage marines as counts-as nu-marines if the day should come that they stop having rules for them.

I also am not optimistic about Eldar and Tau...but then, Eldar and Tau are already game-breakingly OP now.

So worst case scenario is the status quo, and I simply don't play against Eldar and Tau armies.

Of course, it makes total sense that he's the flagbearer for 7th. 7th is so random, even a total scrub with zero listbuilding, zero strategy and zero tactics will occasionally win out on lucky Maelstrom draws. That's perfect for Trad, and why he's against 8th.

Would everyone please join me in reporting this?

This is just over the top.

It's not only totally uncalled for, but it's untrue.

And I wasn't even in this thread.

 Nazrak wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
It won't die, but all the people who actually care about the game will have been replaced by people who just want to push models and roll dice and children who don't know the difference by the time 9th rolls around.

Getting chewed out as the Enemy of Fun for trying to remind people that a rulebook exists or pointing out that GW's marketing language is misleading is starting to become the norm already.

People have been making basically the exact same complaint on the internet since at least 3rd ed.

Thats because the internet has only been around since 3rd ......

Combining Dakka, a few facebook pages, and LA forums...and my actual gaming group (who long ago abandoned current 40K concerns), I've seen about 85% positive and 15% negative.

I think if anything 40K is going to grow or recover some lost ground.

I'm a 2nd ed. player through and through but I'd gladly play 8th over any version of 3rd-7th. So that's something.

As long as one person is passionate about 40k, its fluff and minis then it will not die a death. So as long as I breathe it will be fine : )

 MattKing wrote:
With so many people pissed about eighth (I personally am exceeding excited) I've started to wonder how long we have left. It's great the game has lasted 30 years, but nothing lasts forever.
16th edition? 20th? Dead at 9th? How long do you think we have left?

At this rate? At least another decade, probably 2 especially with gw pulling its head out or its arse.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
As long as one person is passionate about 40k, its fluff and minis then it will not die a death. So as long as I breathe it will be fine : )

This is it right here.

At this point... who am I kidding? I'm always going to like and play 40k. So, I can personally vouch for at least another 30-40 years of the game continuing!

 Elbows wrote:
Combining Dakka, a few facebook pages, and LA forums...and my actual gaming group (who long ago abandoned current 40K concerns), I've seen about 85% positive and 15% negative.

I think if anything 40K is going to grow or recover some lost ground.

I'm a 2nd ed. player through and through but I'd gladly play 8th over any version of 3rd-7th. So that's something.

I've been quietly noting to people that 8th is the edition to get into 40k. simplified rules will be great. there's no way I'd ever be able to teach my dad 7th edition. 8th edition? I might be able to

 AnomanderRake wrote:
It won't die, but all the people who actually care about the game will have been replaced by people who just want to push models and roll dice and children who don't know the difference by the time 9th rolls around.

Getting chewed out as the Enemy of Fun for trying to remind people that a rulebook exists or pointing out that GW's marketing language is misleading is starting to become the norm already.

Yeah THAT'S why people might be 'chewing you out' . Not things like that first, frankly ridiculous sentence. People who enjoy playing a good game that has tactics and decision making will FINALLY have something for them in 40k again after 1.5 editions out of 2. 7th was a baby game by the end of it, 2++ rerollable 1850 unit and faceroll until table has been cleared. Rinse and repeat.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
As long as one person is passionate about 40k, its fluff and minis then it will not die a death. So as long as I breathe it will be fine : )

Beneath 40k there is more than a game... Beneath 40k there is an idea, Mr Creedy... And ideas cannot die.

@mrhappyface

You Sir/Madam watch V for Vendetta too much.

Oh, and ideas are bulletproof - hang on I think I do too : )

This is the first time I have personally seen previous players (including myself) actually strongly consider returning to the game. I also don't know if I have ever seen this much positivity in an edition change online. Usually the negativity is more prominent but not here.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
You Sir/Madam watch V for Vendetta too much.

I don't understand this "too much"?

Yeah 40k will outlast games-workshop

 Deadshot wrote:


People have been pissed about the New Edition, whichever edition that was, for the last 10 years

The game was ruined when Rogue Trader segued into 2nd edition. And REALLY ruined when GW threw everything away to dumb down the amazingly detailed and complex wargame into something simple enough to appeal to kiddies because GW doesn't care about real gamers...

(do the Dakka archives go back that far? The salt that piles up around edition changes is always hilarious.)

I have not interacted with anyone pissed about 8th. I also have been avoiding these forums due to how much people like to just whine, so that could be why I've not seen any grumpiness. These forums do not reflect the majority, nor do the (very few) people who are grumpy on facebook about it.

The death of 40k happens at least 5 times a year

 Bookwrack wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:


People have been pissed about the New Edition, whichever edition that was, for the last 10 years

The game was ruined when Rogue Trader segued into 2nd edition. And REALLY ruined when GW threw everything away to dumb down the amazingly detailed and complex wargame into something simple enough to appeal to kiddies because GW doesn't care about real gamers...

(do the Dakka archives go back that far? The salt that piles up around edition changes is always hilarious.)

Rogue Trader is also a much different game to Warhammer 40,000. Rogue trader was way too complex to appeal to a wider audience and needed simplification to be marketable to a modern audience and not directly complete with other surpremely complex and intricate games like like DnD.

This forum is the place I see people be the most negative about 8th in general.
I have talked to people who dislike parts but virtually never the "whole" picture.

Earth127 wrote:
This forum is the place I see people be the most negative about 8th in general.

It's not really the forum. It's the same half dozen people each making 20 posts a day.

Roughly 38,000 years. Maybe longer, but it's uncertain at this point.

Of course we're all probably going to be too busy to play during the Age of Strife, and playing 40k will probably get you burned as a heretic in the Imperium.

 Rippy wrote:
The death of 40k happens at least 5 times a year

Or once a month in 7th Ed. according to a new poster.
Especially if they ventured into YMDC.

Not sure how long things will last long term.

8th is looking to rejuvenate the game, so many people just need decent rules to get back in.

IMHO I think 8th will bring a much needed new lease of life to 40K. From what I have seen so far I wholeheartedly look forward to it.

If it is also a living game which is constantly balanced and updated then 40K has a long time to look forward to - gotta shift those uberMarines.