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Technically he was not cleared. The charges were dropped due to timing out.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
We've held foreign nationals for decades on less than that. If they didn't somehow hang themselves in their cells somehow.

Replying to your first part.

For the second, I thought I read somewhere that he admitted to removing the condom,,?


I'm not 100% sure on this, so don't shoot the messenger, but I have read on newspaper opinion articles, that Assange's DNA was never found on the condom in question, which as you know, would be impossible if he had used it.


I thought the whole crime is that he removed it before...Er, his DNA came into play.


This is the point that a lot of people have made: we don't know what really happened because ultimately, the case boils down to Assange's word against the word of the lady in question, which as you know, is hard for any court to prove guilt or innocence.


Which is why those cases tend to be, y'know, heavily investigated?

It says a lot about your attitude towards this case that you're giving credence to the man who literally reneged on his word(that's what paying bail is...) and instead fled to an embassy to avoid charges in a "he said, she said".


And cost his supporters quite abit of money. His bail was fairly substantial.
We sure can trust his word at times.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Technically he was not cleared. The charges were dropped due to timing out.

Three of the charges were dropped due to timing out back in 2015.

What got announced was that the investigation tied to the arrest warrant that Assange evaded was being stopped. The charges tied to the arrest warrant don't statute out until 2020.

IF Assange goes to Sweden, all bets are off.
   
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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Technically he was not cleared. The charges were dropped due to timing out.


Accusation does not equal guilt. Being charged does not equal guilt.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
Technically he was not cleared. The charges were dropped due to timing out.


Accusation does not equal guilt. Being charged does not equal guilt.

Statute of limitation does not equal innocence.

And, again, Sweden has dropped the investigation since they know they won't get him present on their soil.

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Kanluwen wrote:
It says a lot about your attitude towards this case that you're giving credence to the man who literally reneged on his word(that's what paying bail is...) and instead fled to an embassy to avoid charges in a "he said, she said".


He's claimed asylum in the same way any other asylum seeker does. He's been willing to aid the investigation byt not go to Sweden who refused to ruld out US extradition.

In his position (obey the law and risk getting black bagged) I'd probably have done the same thing. It's not about trying to avoid charges, it's about trying to avoid an unfaur extradition.

The whole thing seems a bit suspicious.

Incidentally I don't actually like the guy, but I can't see what else he could do.
   
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Herzlos wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
It says a lot about your attitude towards this case that you're giving credence to the man who literally reneged on his word(that's what paying bail is...) and instead fled to an embassy to avoid charges in a "he said, she said".


He's claimed asylum in the same way any other asylum seeker does. He's been willing to aid the investigation byt not go to Sweden who refused to rule out US extradition.

Sweden refused to rule out extradition because Assange was making it conditional to his surrender, and he wanted an unconditional refusal for US extradition.

Sweden refused because, under their laws, they cannot allow any JUDICIAL decisions(extraditions require a hearing) to be predetermined.

In his position (obey the law and risk getting black bagged) I'd probably have done the same thing. It's not about trying to avoid charges, it's about trying to avoid an unfaur extradition.

The whole thing seems a bit suspicious.

It really isn't provided you actually followed the case beyond just skimming headlines or reading anything that skims over fine details like, y'know, judicial decisions can't be predetermined...

Incidentally I don't actually like the guy, but I can't see what else he could do.

Literally anything else.

It would have been one thing if a US tribunal was formed with the intention of hanging him high from day one...but under the Obama administration, the only real thing that was ever done was a detention order from the US to Sweden allowing the US to question him if he came into their custody.

But since day one of this whole farce, he's been hiding beyond the shield of "If the Swedes get me, they'll extradite me to the US to be killed as a spy!".

And people bought that narrative.

Oh, and let's not forget that the whole reason this thing was a Big Deal from the get-go?
Is that the two women in question claimed that he infected them, knowingly, with a STD.


In all honesty, this case is a dead duck no matter how it spins. His lawyers can claim prejudice no matter where it gets heard at because it's been such a high profile case.

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Herzlos wrote:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/world/europe/julian-assange-sweden-rape.amp.html

He's unlikely to come out of the embassy yet due to a bail violation, so who knows what's going to happen next. Will the US let him walk free?


He has been framed because he warned the world what the CIA is up to (And for any political dissidents elsewhere this is important to know whether the USA really supports a regime they're figthing against)



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 Lone Cat wrote:
He has been framed


That is just as much a ludicrous narrative as absolutely believing his guilt. It is strange when one will dismiss women who claim to be sexually assaulted but then turn around and believe a pile of horsegak without evidence.

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 Ahtman wrote:
 Lone Cat wrote:
He has been framed


That is just as much a ludicrous narrative as absolutely believing his guilt. It is strange when one will dismiss women who claim to be sexually assaulted but then turn around and believe a pile of horsegak without evidence.


We know from historical and public records, going back to day 1 of the Republic, that the USA will kill, steal, bomb, poison, lie, cheat, deceive, murder, main, rob, and wage war, to protect its interests.

That is also true of the UK, France, Germany, any other country etc etc

So I'm not attacking America for that. It's the way of the world.

Point is this: it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the US government did frame Assange, because clearly, wikileaks is a thorn in the flesh of the USA, and the USA has done this before.

I'm not saying that it happened to Assange, but I'm also saying we shouldn't rule it out, given what we know about past activities of the US government.

I'm keeping an open mind. If I'm wrong about Assange, I'll be the first to put my hand up and admit I was wrong.

I've done that before on dakka.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'm not saying that it happened to Assange


But someone else did and I responded to that, so perhaps multiple paragraphs defending something you didn't say isn't necessary? There is, unsurprisingly, a difference between "X is possible" and "X is an absolute".

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 Kanluwen wrote:


Sweden refused because, under their laws, they cannot allow any JUDICIAL decisions(extraditions require a hearing) to be predetermined.


This. The government giving such a guarantee would be unconstitutional in more than one way. It is not the government's business to interfere in juridical investigations. Assange was asking that the Swedish government act in an unconstitutional manner because he was afraid that the Swedish government would act in an unconstitutional manner (extraditing him to the US), which is absolutely insane.

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 Ahtman wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'm not saying that it happened to Assange


But someone else did and I responded to that, so perhaps multiple paragraphs defending something you didn't say isn't necessary? There is, unsurprisingly, a difference between "X is possible" and "X is an absolute".


I agree. I'm just putting my cards on the table.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:


Sweden refused because, under their laws, they cannot allow any JUDICIAL decisions(extraditions require a hearing) to be predetermined.


This. The government giving such a guarantee would be unconstitutional in more than one way. It is not the government's business to interfere in juridical investigations. Assange was asking that the Swedish government act in an unconstitutional manner because he was afraid that the Swedish government would act in an unconstitutional manner (extraditing him to the US), which is absolutely insane.


I can't speak for Sweden, but I can speak for the UK, and seeing as British policy these past decades has been to make the UK the 51st state of the USA, the UK would turn Assange over to the USA at the drop of a hat. So he's right to be worried about the British government.

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To give a bit of perspective, this is the rationale offered by the "conspiracy camp" :

Spoiler:
World Socialist Website wrote:Sweden’s investigation into Julian Assange was a political frame-up from the outset
20 May 2017

On Friday, Swedish authorities announced they were dropping their investigation into sexual misconduct charges against WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange. In fact, they have no case whatsoever and never did. The entire affair was a “dirty tricks” operation from the outset, aimed at discrediting and paralyzing WikiLeaks and creating conditions under which Assange could be extradited or abducted to the US, to be executed or condemned to a lifetime in prison.
WikiLeaks’ sole “crime” was to shed light on the illegal and murderous activities of American imperialism and its allies in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the globe.

The fraudulent “rape” charge campaign against Assange has been conducted over the past seven years by the combined forces of the American military-intelligence apparatus and media, on the one hand, and pseudo-left politics, on the other. The former has provided the muscle, while the latter has contributed the “brains” of the operation, legitimizing the attack against Assange every step of the way in the name of supposedly defending women from abuse.
The dropping of the Swedish investigation does not mean that the drive to suppress exposures of Washington’s criminality will come to a halt. Far from it. The terrain and conditions have simply shifted. The US authorities and their allies have not for one instant given up on the notion of making WikiLeaks an example.

The US has let it be known that it has prepared charges against Assange, and Washington would like to see Assange extradited to the US. The British authorities, moreover, said they would still arrest Assange if he left the Ecuadorian embassy, where he has been trapped for five years, for a breach of bail offense.

In his fascistic rant delivered at the Center for Strategic and International Studies on April 13, Donald Trump’s CIA director, Michael Pompeo, asserted that “WikiLeaks walks like a hostile intelligence service and talks like a hostile intelligence service… It is time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is—a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia.” He further proclaimed, “We have to recognize that we can no longer allow Assange and his colleagues the latitude to use free speech values against us.”

Threats of violence against Assange and WikiLeaks are nothing new. While former US Vice President Joseph Biden likened Assange to a “hi-tech terrorist,” former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich said that the WikiLeaks founder “should be treated as an enemy combatant.”

Bob Beckel, Democratic presidential candidate Walter Mondale’s campaign manager in 1984 and a Fox News commentator, suggested subtlety, “This guy’s a traitor, he’s treasonous, and he has broken every law of the United States… There’s only one way to do it: illegally shoot the son of a bitch.”

Apologists for the persecution of WikiLeaks like to sneer at the notion of a “conspiracy” against the organization. Of course, there was a conspiracy, although there was hardly anything secret about it.

At the time of the opening of the investigation by Swedish authorities into Assange’s alleged misdeeds in 2010, a small army of FBI and Pentagon operatives, directed by Obama administration officials, was already working overtime figuring out how to shut down WikiLeaks and neutralize its leading personnel.

A Daily Beast article in September 2010 explained: “Dubbed the WikiLeaks War Room by some of its occupants, the round-the-clock operation is on high alert this month as WikiLeaks and its elusive leader, Julian Assange, threaten to release a second batch of thousands of classified American war logs from Afghanistan.”

An international arrest warrant was issued for Assange’s detention two months later, in regard to a case that had been appropriately dropped in August 2010 within 24 hours by Stockholm’s chief prosecutor Eva Finne. She had found there was no “reason to suspect that he [Assange] had committed rape.” Then, however, more powerful political forces intervened.

The facts are even more damning when the chronology is examined closely. On November 28, 2010, WikiLeaks began releasing 250,000 classified cables sent to the US State Department by consulates, embassies and missions between December 1966 and February 2010. The US government responded with outrage and threats. WikiLeaks was hit with financial and other kinds of systematic attacks.

Two days later, on November 30, Interpol, at the request of Swedish prosecutor Marianne Ny, issued a Red Notice to 188 countries for Assange’s arrest in relation to the Swedish “preliminary investigation” (for which no charges or indictment existed). Interpol made the request public. Assange was detained by police in London on December 7.

Anyone with a shred of honesty or political acumen can put two and two together. The various US government agencies organized or took advantage of a sexual scandal, one of the very favorite methods of settling accounts in the American political establishment. News reports noted in December 2010 that “a smiling US Defense Secretary Robert Gates told reporters that the arrest [of Assange in London] ‘sounds like good news to me.’”

Naturally, cynical, self-satisfied idiots like Marina Hyde of the Guardian, the mouthpiece of the dregs of English liberalism, continue to insist that the case had merits. “I think we all learned a really important lesson here, which is that if you wait a really long time and absolutely refuse to face up to them, bad things go away,” she wrote Friday.

Hyde speaks for the feminist and ex-left elements who have junked their opposition, which never went terribly deep, to war and imperialism. The Assange case is yet another mechanism through which a layer of affluent former radicals has peeled off and made its way to the “other side,” a process that has been under way since the early 1990s.

One of the principal instigators of the attack on Assange in Sweden was lawyer and politician Claes Borgström, a member of the Social Democratic government from 2000 to 2007, the government that supported the US invasion of Afghanistan. Borgström, who became the lawyer for Assange’s accusers, served as the Social Democrats’ spokesperson on gender equality. He argued that all men were collectively responsible for violence against women and compared the entire gender to the Taliban. Borgström is now a member of the Left Party in Sweden.

Katha Pollitt of the Nation joined the campaign against Assange in 2010, arguing that “when it comes to rape, the left still doesn't get it.”

Socialist Worker, in “Defend WikiLeaks, don’t trivialize rape charges” (August 2012), claimed that “Assange and some of his supporters have refused to take the rape allegations seriously. His own lawyers have endorsed conspiracy theories calling the women a ‘honeytrap’… The rape accusations should never be trivialised or brushed aside.”

International Viewpoint, in September 2013, argued that “The call for Assange to face questioning on sexual assault allegations in Sweden is legitimate in itself.”

For the past several years, the international pseudo-left has barely mentioned Assange’s name. To appease their reactionary gender politics constituency, they would happily throw him to the wolves.
These “left” and liberal forces play an objective social role. The realities of neo-colonial invasion, occupation and war are far from pretty. If the thugs of the Pentagon and CIA were left to their own devices, forced to face the American public and justify their actions without any intermediaries or interpreters, they would be seen through almost immediately.

The services of the liberal media, like the New York Times and Washington Post, and a host of now well-to-do “leftists,” with credentials as one-time opponents of the system, are needed to sanctify the brutal process of imperialist subjugation—or political persecution in the case of WikiLeaks—by grounding it in “democracy,” “human rights” or “women’s rights.”
Discrediting all these elements is an essential political-educational task of the day.
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Given that the New York Times published some of the same material as Wikileaks, why doesn't the US government go after the New York Times?

And the answer is obvious: SCOTUS will point to the 1st amendment, and the White House's case will get laughed out of court, just like what happened the last time the US government cited national security on leaked material that newspapers published.

And another thing, how the feth can Assange, as suggested in the above article, be a traitor to the USA?

To the best of my knowledge, Assange is not, and has never been a US citizen, nor has he ever sworn an oath of loyalty to the USA.

Espionage I can buy, but treason? We're entering the realms of fantasy here.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'm not saying that it happened to Assange


But someone else did and I responded to that, so perhaps multiple paragraphs defending something you didn't say isn't necessary? There is, unsurprisingly, a difference between "X is possible" and "X is an absolute".


I agree. I'm just putting my cards on the table.

Riiiiight...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:


Sweden refused because, under their laws, they cannot allow any JUDICIAL decisions(extraditions require a hearing) to be predetermined.


This. The government giving such a guarantee would be unconstitutional in more than one way. It is not the government's business to interfere in juridical investigations. Assange was asking that the Swedish government act in an unconstitutional manner because he was afraid that the Swedish government would act in an unconstitutional manner (extraditing him to the US), which is absolutely insane.


I can't speak for Sweden, but I can speak for the UK, and seeing as British policy these past decades has been to make the UK the 51st state of the USA, the UK would turn Assange over to the USA at the drop of a hat. So he's right to be worried about the British government.

Right, that's while he was under house arrest in the UK he was snatched up by a Black Ops FedEx unit...

I mean this in the nicest way possible here, but you really need to lay off the spy thrillers.
   
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I'm assuming that he will now surrender to UK police to answer the change of failing to surrender to court now the Swedish police are no longer trying to extradite him? Ye right...

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 Steve steveson wrote:
I'm assuming that he will now surrender to UK police to answer the change of failing to surrender to court now the Swedish police are no longer trying to extradite him? Ye right...
As far as I can see the "Swedish police" never said they are no longer trying to extradite him (I don't believe "the police" are the ones who decide that in the first place, but either way that has not been said as far as I can see, they simply aren't pursuing the investigation because they can't do anything if Assange isn't going to be going to Sweden).
   
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 Steve steveson wrote:
I'm assuming that he will now surrender to UK police to answer the change of failing to surrender to court now the Swedish police are no longer trying to extradite him? Ye right...


Oh of course.

I mean, it's not as if his rhetoric is at all 'absolute transparency and accountability for everyone except me'

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Well, the European arrest warrant no longer stands. But his supporters no interest in justice, only in a conspiracy which has no evidence.

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Why is the title still cleared? It implies there was a trial and he was found innocent.

   
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 n0t_u wrote:
Why is the title still cleared? It implies there was a trial and he was found innocent.

Because this is OT where nobody gives a feth about accuracy when it comes to something as harmless as rape.

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 Henry wrote:
 n0t_u wrote:
Why is the title still cleared? It implies there was a trial and he was found innocent.

Because this is OT where nobody gives a feth about accuracy when it comes to something as harmless as rape.

/cynicism


If Assange is found guilty of these horrible crimes, then I'll be the first to condemn him, but it's an if, because we don't know what happened.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
If Assange is found guilty of these horrible crimes, then I'll be the first to condemn him, but it's an if, because we don't know what happened.

I make no allusion to guilt or not, but n0t_u is correct. Assange was never charged. As he was never charged, charges cannot be dropped. The title is willfully misleading and false. But hey, it's only rape we're talking about, so who cares? Clearly not DakkaDakka.

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 Steve steveson wrote:
Well, the European arrest warrant no longer stands. But his supporters no interest in justice, only in a conspiracy which has no evidence.


The evidence in favour of Assange with regards to a conspiracy, is as long as my arm:

1. Obama prosecuted more whistleblowers in US history than any other POTUS. It's risible to suggest Assange wasn't on the list.

2. There are NO rape charges against Assange in Sweden. He was wanted for questioning, which is completely different.

3. The original prosecutor in Stockholm decided that Assange had no case to answer.

4. A New prosecutor then took up the case. The new prosecutor is known to support feminist causes and was a supporter of America's war on terror, as was a previous Swedish government.

5. The prosecutor in point 5, NOT a court, signed the European arrest warrant. UK law was CHANGED as a result of this, as the court's criteria is deemed to be higher than an individual prosecutor.

6. Assange has been questioned, but HAS STILL NOT BEEN CHARGED. Apologies for the caps, but it's worth highlighting that point.

7. Assange was questioned November 2016. This is May 2017. What's the hold up?

8. The condom that Assange allegedly wore in the incident in question with Anna Ardin, contains none of Assange's DNA.

9. Assange's DNA is present in the condom used with Sofia Wilen. Both parties agree they had consensual sex the first time, but the second time, Assange says it was consensual, Wilen says it was not. This is why it is hard for any judgement to be made one way or another.

10. After 5 years, despite the evidence being gathered, no decision was made as to Assange being charged.

11. The UN working group on arbitrary detention ruled in Assange's favour. The UN group told Sweden to put up or shut up. Sweden appealed the ruling, and lost again, then ignored it's ruling. The first time Sweden has ever done this, despite agreeing to its terms and conditions.

12. The Swedish supreme court, following legal action from Assange, told Ny, the second Swedish prosecutor, to put up or shut up.

13. After 6 years, still no charges against Assange. Sweden says it wants to question Assange, despite Assange being questioned twice.

14. I, the author of this comment, am of the opinion that that Swedes no they have no case, and rather than embarrass themselves by admitting this, they have allowed the statute of limitations to expire.

15. Jeff Sessions, that man who has zero authority in the USA, and who is definitely not part of the Trump administration, has said that arresting Assange is a priority.

But because people who believe that this man of zero authority shouldn't be taken at his word, anybody who beleives there is a conspiricacy against assange is wrong.

Never believe high ranking US officials. They just say things like arrest just for the fun of it

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 Steve steveson wrote:
Well, the European arrest warrant no longer stands. But his supporters no interest in justice, only in a conspiracy which has no evidence.



He still can be charged on beach of bail, however I'm sure that the embassy will work on some kind of deal or way to handle those charges.
If he want asylum and free passage put, he needs to face or work out a way to counter those.

They could pull all manner of trickery with fake passports, evasion and such but that would for one make him look bad, and B would mean the host nation he is with has alot of questions to answer.

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Average Joe from Alamaba, who has zero influence whatsoever, says that arresting Assange is a matter of top priority.

There is no conspiracy against Assange

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/apr/21/arresting-julian-assange-is-a-priority-says-us-attorney-general-jeff-sessions




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 jhe90 wrote:
 Steve steveson wrote:
Well, the European arrest warrant no longer stands. But his supporters no interest in justice, only in a conspiracy which has no evidence.



He still can be charged on beach of bail, however I'm sure that the embassy will work on some kind of deal or way to handle those charges.
If he want asylum and free passage put, he needs to face or work out a way to counter those.

They could pull all manner of trickery with fake passports, evasion and such but that would for one make him look bad, and B would mean the host nation he is with has alot of questions to answer.


If the UK government was smart, and not hanging onto America's coat tails all the time, they could save themselves a lot of problems by waiving the charges, granting safe passage to Ecuador, and giving Assange 48 hours to get the hell out of the UK.

That would be the sensible move.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Average Joe from Alamaba, who has zero influence whatsoever, says that arresting Assange is a matter of top priority.

There is no conspiracy against Assange

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/apr/21/arresting-julian-assange-is-a-priority-says-us-attorney-general-jeff-sessions




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 jhe90 wrote:
 Steve steveson wrote:
Well, the European arrest warrant no longer stands. But his supporters no interest in justice, only in a conspiracy which has no evidence.



He still can be charged on beach of bail, however I'm sure that the embassy will work on some kind of deal or way to handle those charges.
If he want asylum and free passage put, he needs to face or work out a way to counter those.

They could pull all manner of trickery with fake passports, evasion and such but that would for one make him look bad, and B would mean the host nation he is with has alot of questions to answer.


If the UK government was smart, and not hanging onto America's coat tails all the time, they could save themselves a lot of problems by waiving the charges, granting safe passage to Ecuador, and giving Assange 48 hours to get the hell out of the UK.

That would be the sensible move.


Cheaper to. That or he pleads guilty to crimes, UK agrees and says pay a small fine for it on term he leaves quickly and does not come back for a good few years. Few hours in a small court and job done. Quick, simple, charges answered.
However he would also have to trust UK not to renage and pull a arrest you at airport move.
Though honestly I think anything like that be a embassy deal as Il be honest. They are more likely to get a deal he is.

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I don't understand the bashing of the evidence? Why would the police give all the evidence to the media before a case even goes to trial? That's shooting yourself in the foot and then some. What the media knows is obviously not the whole story.

He has also not been charged because he is in a foreign embassy not really cooperating. Charging him will do little good.

What if he really did commit rape though? Were 'all' declaring him innocent due to his role, but plenty of people have had allegations against them that later turned out to be true but we didn't believe it at the time because the person was rich/famous/take your pick.

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