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I feel like these "larger" space marines kinda ruin the current space marine models a bit and in addition, I want new models for many of the finecast stuff for other armys.

what about eldar aspect warriors? The other chaos factions?

GW is crushing it lately but I get annoyed when i see more space marine releases with so many holes in the other factions ranges. I want to play certain factions but have no desire to paint finecast trash


edit - i do like the larger marines, i just feel the time spent making them was time away from other things as well as the size kinda throws a monkey wrench into the 40k marine universe. so now there are giant marines that are larger than the supposed already giant marines? doesn't that make chaos marines look like bitches for example?

It's been this way for years. They're a business and SMs sell well for them.
Make peace with it.

Finecast?
You know NOTHING OF PAIN!!!
Dry up your tears with pages from your broken codex.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Finecast?
You know NOTHING OF PAIN!!!
Dry up your tears with pages from your broken codex.

what...?

It's very likely GW is going to b revamping their range the way they did with AoS (just without the huge faction changes). I'd expect in the first couple months after 8th releases we'll see a huge revamp of the chaos range as most their models are either out-dated now or are outright horrible. Oblits need an overhaul, the marine models need some love, all cult troops need something (they've already shown us some of the Nurgle stuff), termi's are outright awful etc. After that whichever faction is next on their to-do list will get an overhaul. I'd expect Eldar to be soon after chaos and tall-marines. I don't think you'll be waiting much longer for those plastic aspect warriors that have been needed for about 20 years.

eosgreen wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Finecast?
You know NOTHING OF PAIN!!!
Dry up your tears with pages from your broken codex.

what...?

You don't have metal minis, trust me, finecast is nothing compare to the pain from metal.

If they had just release the Primaris as "Truescale Marines", and used it simply as a revamp of the existing line, I think that they would have been much better received. The new rules and fluff is just a bit jarring for some people.

Also, metal is superior to finecast. I bought 1 finecast model and it took me so long to clean up that I never bothered again. It was Yarrick. I had an easier time doing a metal Commissar conversion, and that entailed cutting off someone's hat and remodeling hair from greenstuff!

if the Primarus sell by the ship-load, there'll be more money for GW to update their other armies with.

So, where people are "Booo, another SM release", I'm more "Yay, more dosh for the GW design and minis teams to play with".

 Trickstick wrote:
If they had just release the Primaris as "Truescale Marines", and used it simply as a revamp of the existing line, I think that they would have been much better received.

I think it would have been considerably worse received. The idea that they "had" to replace their old models would have been in everyone's mind. I honestly don't know anyone outside of online that is "jarred" by the new fluff. Everyone I know are judging them either by aesthetics or rules.

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:
It's been this way for years. They're a business and SMs sell well for them.
Make peace with it.

This. SM are by far the best selling army and GW supports them appropriately. People need to be realistic about the extent to which a reasonable business model for GW allows them to support the fringe factions. No offense to SIsters players, but there's probably not much money in a mass release of new plastic kits for that faction. Personally, I hope GW gives you guys all the love, but if I were you I wouldn't be holding my breath.

Eldar will get there, I have no doubt. In general anyway, the problem with plastics there is that the Aspect Warriors are all completely different squads - that's a lot of new plastic infantry kits for one army. I don't think there's another army that would need that variety of plastic kits to get all the infantry into plastic. People need to be realistic about these things.

Well, I have Marines at home, but don't play them because they are generally boring to play. I liked the Blood Angels in 5th ed with the ''angels of death'' rule. Marines are too slow for the most part. If you are grounded, they are often immobile. I like more the Xenos armies with larger mobility.

 Purifier wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:
If they had just release the Primaris as "Truescale Marines", and used it simply as a revamp of the existing line, I think that they would have been much better received.

I think it would have been considerably worse received. The idea that they "had" to replace their old models would have been in everyone's mind. I honestly don't know anyone outside of online that is "jarred" by the new fluff. Everyone I know are judging them either by aesthetics or rules.

I loathe the new marines, but I think this is accurate. Damned if you do, etc..

OP, overall I don't care that much; I find the marines the least interesting part of 40k. Is absolutely not feasible, but if able to build my own 40k, I would keep loyalist marines only for 30k. The only thing that make loyalist marines interesting in general is their status as foil for CSM.
I found the guard, mechanicus, inquisition and all the circus way more interesting in the empire.
So yeah, new marines better than the custodes better than the GK better than the deathwatch better than the veterans better than the super-humans the god-emperor built.
YAAAAAWWWWN.

Personally, I love the new Marines. Not only do they have way better proportions, it also allows me to play a small elite Marine force with a few vehicles as support. Something 'normal' Marines couldn't for a long time.

little-killer wrote:

eosgreen wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Finecast?
You know NOTHING OF PAIN!!!
Dry up your tears with pages from your broken codex.

what...?

You don't have metal minis, trust me, finecast is nothing compare to the pain from metal.

And this is just plain bs. Unless you're planning some heavy conversions, metal models are way easier cleaned up and gaps filled with green stuff than the horrible resin undercut gates on Finecast stuff. Sounds like you play SoB and just need to have it more horrible than anyone else?

little-killer wrote:

eosgreen wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Finecast?
You know NOTHING OF PAIN!!!
Dry up your tears with pages from your broken codex.

what...?

You don't have metal minis, trust me, finecast is nothing compare to the pain from metal.

im 29, i have metal minis lol

It's going to happen and going to keep happening as long as people keep buying marines. But really we're going to see a lot of revamping of most of the lines eventually. It'll be sold to us as updating ranges and what not- the reality is that geedub will be doing it so solidify their IP claims on the models and what have you. Their losses in some of their court cases will have taught them some lessons about what they do or don't own.

Me, I run Space Wolves and Tyranids. I have a finecast Lukas the Trickster. Honestly I quite like it.
I'm also pretty proud of my vintage metal Nids too but I've got the ability to modify metal with no issues. Got the powered hacksaw, got the fine soldering equipment, even have a fine enough welder to deal with metal minis.
Problem is I have a friend who for some stupid ass reason insists on collecting Sisters and complaining. Offered the soldering iron, the welder and the hacksaw but he insists on complaining. That's why metal causes me pain.
Any hack can use 24 hour epoxy, a stanley knife, a heat scource and a bit of patience to deal with failcast.
It takes equipment to deal with metal.
But it takes genuine stupid to collect failcast and metal armies.

I never had a problem with metal. All I use is a decent fine tooth saw, good glue, and a reasonable amount of pinning.

If you choose the metal life, you implicitly give up the right to complain about the material

As for me, a collector of the old, getting metal models is almost euphoric, since it means less possbility that the original owner damaged it with glue and it is far easier to strip (I can use stronger chems on it).

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Personally, I love the new Marines. Not only do they have way better proportions, it also allows me to play a small elite Marine force with a few vehicles as support. Something 'normal' Marines couldn't for a long time.

little-killer wrote:

eosgreen wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Finecast?
You know NOTHING OF PAIN!!!
Dry up your tears with pages from your broken codex.

what...?

You don't have metal minis, trust me, finecast is nothing compare to the pain from metal.

And this is just plain bs. Unless you're planning some heavy conversions, metal models are way easier cleaned up and gaps filled with green stuff than the horrible resin undercut gates on Finecast stuff. Sounds like you play SoB and just need to have it more horrible than anyone else?

Nah an old ghazkhull, meganobs,painboy, and snikrot, and a hive tyrant which was horrible to glue.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Me, I run Space Wolves and Tyranids. I have a finecast Lukas the Trickster. Honestly I quite like it.
I'm also pretty proud of my vintage metal Nids too but I've got the ability to modify metal with no issues. Got the powered hacksaw, got the fine soldering equipment, even have a fine enough welder to deal with metal minis.
Problem is I have a friend who for some stupid ass reason insists on collecting Sisters and complaining. Offered the soldering iron, the welder and the hacksaw but he insists on complaining. That's why metal causes me pain.
Any hack can use 24 hour epoxy, a stanley knife, a heat scource and a bit of patience to deal with failcast.
It takes equipment to deal with metal.
But it takes genuine stupid to collect failcast and metal armies.

most people are not great at sculpting though. I can paint well beyond my putty level so If you are into the painting aspect, finecast AND metal have some horrible issues. metal tend to have diff problems that are a little easier to fix compared to finecast requiring a complete resculpt

 Skinnereal wrote:
if the Primarus sell by the ship-load, there'll be more money for GW to update their other armies with.

Yeah, I know...
It's nice to dream, though.

little-killer wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Personally, I love the new Marines. Not only do they have way better proportions, it also allows me to play a small elite Marine force with a few vehicles as support. Something 'normal' Marines couldn't for a long time.

little-killer wrote:

eosgreen wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Finecast?
You know NOTHING OF PAIN!!!
Dry up your tears with pages from your broken codex.

what...?

You don't have metal minis, trust me, finecast is nothing compare to the pain from metal.

And this is just plain bs. Unless you're planning some heavy conversions, metal models are way easier cleaned up and gaps filled with green stuff than the horrible resin undercut gates on Finecast stuff. Sounds like you play SoB and just need to have it more horrible than anyone else?

Nah an old ghazkhull, meganobs,painboy, and snikrot, and a hive tyrant which was horrible to glue.

I suppose it is personal preference but I prefer metal models to finecast. granted you need to pin metal models, super glue does not cut it. finecast to me is fail in that while the detail is amazing it warps in the heat and living in FL I constantly have to repose them... which also means the paint cracks off so I have to repaint em annually. even when you clean em off well before painting finecast paint still scratches off fairly easily compared to plastic or metal. like oh it got knocked over on felt no prob, but knocked over onto a piece of plastic terrain and now there is a gouge in the paint to fix

I'm not really bothered by them just because of how GW announced how most of the year was going to be focused on SMs and Chaos in general. The releases go along with what they had already planned, so it's not too big of a deal when they're supposed to be supplemental units rather than overhauls (For now, who knows about the future). Honestly I like my marine models I have and would find the Primaris to be slightly worse, considering how they'll be harder to hide behind cover while playing the game. And from a fluff perspective, I don't really mind them as it adds an interesting new flavor to the lore about how now the Emperor isn't the only one who came up with the way of creating a type of Astartes.

The story has progressed for the Imperium in a huge way as now there is a new technological development that, while shoved down everyone's throats by the Lord Commander of the Imperium, isn't heretical for existing and being shown to the public (at least as far as we know now). There are now more marines to defend the Imperium, and chapters that have suffered due to the LONG cycle involved in creating new marines will receive reinforcements for their campaigns (such as my beloved Blood Ravens). I actually look forward to what technology Guilliman will approve of to try and obliterate the nonsensical stance the Imperium has held towards science for almost 9,000 years.

The problem is (to everyone saying that they keep updating marines because they sell the most and make the most money) ---- it's a self-fullfilling cycle.

Make new/ amazing Marine kits compared with IG(or insert faction here) which are years old if not more (sisters) in some cases and of course more Marine kits get sold in comparison.

So GW look at their sales -- 'Oh marines sell well, let's make more of those'. Rinse/repeat.

little-killer wrote:

eosgreen wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Finecast?
You know NOTHING OF PAIN!!!
Dry up your tears with pages from your broken codex.

what...?

You don't have metal minis, trust me, finecast is nothing compare to the pain from metal.

I much prefer metal to finecast, but I started back in 4th so it was something to get used to.

However screw the techmarine and swooping hawks to start with. Those were much better going over to resin.


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 Anfauglir wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
if the Primarus sell by the ship-load, there'll be more money for GW to update their other armies with.

Space marines are a different army from primaris at least.

I actually think the Primaris marines was made because the other marine kits weren't selling.

Like how many people flocked to buy the new Assault Marines? Or the then-new tacticals? I think the Devastators were the only ones that sold well because of the Grav Cannon with Amp. It feels like GW had a minor panick attack when they realized people weren't buying marines as much as they used to.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I actually think the Primaris marines was made because the other marine kits weren't selling.

Like how many people flocked to buy the new Assault Marines? Or the then-new tacticals? I think the Devastators were the only ones that sold well because of the Grav Cannon with Amp. It feels like GW had a minor panick attack when they realized people weren't buying marines as much as they used to.

Probably due to the fact that you need maybe 30 and you were good for most of the formations and such from 7th? 3 boxes (Or less if you find great deals on eBay) and you're good for a LONG time unless you're playing Apocalypse games regularly. Come to think of it, that's probably another reason they made the primaris marines. There are so many floating around on eBay they might not even be selling many actual marine boxes

Definitely in the camp of having no interest in these guys, fluff or model wise but willing to acquiesse they are a sales driver for GW on one of their best selling lines.
Suck it up I suppose

I wonder how Necrons sell, making Spruecrons was a thing for a good long time.