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 Niiai wrote:
-3 on the wrecking ball sounds good yeah.

How much is the malenthrope? I remember him giving thing rerolls in 5th. Does he stil do that?

The malanthropes ability is now that if the last model in an enemy unit dies within 1" of it, then your entire army gets to re-roll hits of 1 from then on.
It's not limited to a radius around the malanthrope or anything. I don't think it even matters if the malanthrope dies (might be debatable?). Your entire army just gets buffed for the rest of the game.

What's the deal with bone sabres? I don't see their points cost anywhere, so ..free?

 benlac wrote:
What's the deal with bone sabres? I don't see their points cost anywhere, so ..free?

Yes, all unique characters include all their wargear in their base cost.
This also means that you don't have to pay things like scything talons and crushing claws in the OOE.

Tyran wrote:

 benlac wrote:
What's the deal with bone sabres? I don't see their points cost anywhere, so ..free?

Yes, all unique characters include all their wargear in their base cost.
This also means that you don't have to pay things like scything talons and crushing claws in the OOE.

cool beans, thanks

 Wulfenone wrote:

Nasty wrote:
Guys i nedd some help,this weekend i will play against orks ( first match ) and blood angels ( the second ). I nedd some tips for build 2 winning list anti-orks and anti-blood. Someone have some good tactics ?
We are realy competitive so i need 2 win for show them that tyranids are the best ! Hah

Just take a spearhead detachment w/18 fexs and OOE

I don't know anyone with 18 fexes... but I actually feel like this would be strong lol



how are you guys planning on kitting StoneCrushers??

Honestly both options seem good.

BlackCadian wrote:
Is anyone actually going to buy the FW model of a Stonecrusher? They're awful :/

I actually really like them, and they're awesome in game, so yeah I plan on getting one or two. But that's kind of your personal preference so you do you


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 SHUPPET wrote:




how are you guys planning on kitting StoneCrushers??

I think it's worth an extra 5 points to give them a thresher scythe over the bone mace. I also think it's DEFINITELY worth it to give them the flail. Oh you want to bog me down? TRY ME

Of course the crabby claw is a must. So much good for so little points. I wish the regular Carnifex kit had these options so I didn't have to proxy until I get the Stonecrushers. As is, I don't see any reason to do a regular Carnifex.

I've bought the digital book (Imperial Armour: Xenos) but I cannot for the life of me read the damn thing.

Using a Nexus 10 tablet. Any suggestions

Razerous wrote:
I've bought the digital book (Imperial Armour: Xenos) but I cannot for the life of me read the damn thing.

Using a Nexus 10 tablet. Any suggestions

having a similar issue with a epub. If anyone knows a good epub reader that won't wreck the format and make the damn thing illegible I would really love to know.

 Lance845 wrote:

Razerous wrote:
I've bought the digital book (Imperial Armour: Xenos) but I cannot for the life of me read the damn thing.

Using a Nexus 10 tablet. Any suggestions

having a similar issue with a epub. If anyone knows a good epub reader that won't wreck the format and make the damn thing illegible I would really love to know.

If you use Firefox, I found the Lucifox extension works quite well.

WOW. Stone Crushers and Malanthropes are dirt cheap. I may even get a barbed Hierodule.

Kobo works well for epub3.

FW recommends the Kobo reader. It works fine on my mobile phone.

so how do you folks play your venomthropes? I was planning on getting some to put with a blob moving up the table, but their movement stat is comparatively poor, not sure if they typically can keep up with the blob or is that not really an issue?
I've considered replacing my Hive Tyrant with a Swarmlord to boost the Venomthropes movement, but it's way more points that a Hive Tyrant and it would mean cutting out my Mawloc to field it.

The funniest part is, if they rightly increase Malanthrope's cost by 50%, he'll still be almost auto-take. Especially since the ITC/FLG guys confirmed Malanthrope indeed buffs units within 6" meaning with some crafty positioning, he can't be targetted, and buffs a gigantic portion of your list.

 benlac wrote:
so how do you folks play your venomthropes? I was planning on getting some to put with a blob moving up the table, but their movement stat is comparatively poor, not sure if they typically can keep up with the blob or is that not really an issue?
I've considered replacing my Hive Tyrant with a Swarmlord to boost the Venomthropes movement, but it's way more points that a Hive Tyrant and it would mean cutting out my Mawloc to field it.

A Malanthrope is much better in all regards. If you still want to play them, you should not worry too much about their movement. They can always advance and most of your list will not do this except for GS.

We all know the malant is going to get rised to 200 or so points.

For the venoms you shouldn't worry, they will be dead turn 1 or turn 2. That's the intended role, being a low cost umbrella for enemy ranged attacks and great targets for catalyst.

Spoletta wrote:
We all know the malant is going to get rised to 200 or so points.

For the venoms you shouldn't worry, they will be dead turn 1 or turn 2. That's the intended role, being a low cost umbrella for enemy ranged attacks and great targets for catalyst.

There is no way he ends up being 200pts. I can't think of a model that ever had a 250% cost increase. I think 140-160pts would still be fair, and keep him desirable.

Guys I know some of you haven't seen the book yet (I got the digital version and love it) but suffice to say that his points value barely changed at all. If you like his statline and are ok paying a very similar amount of points to last edition, you'll like him now too.

There is a very large discrepancy between his cost and the idea that 1 power level = 20 points

 luke1705 wrote:
Guys I know some of you haven't seen the book yet (I got the digital version and love it) but suffice to say that his points value barely changed at all. If you like his statline and are ok paying a very similar amount of points to last edition, you'll like him now too.

There is a very large discrepancy between his cost and the idea that 1 power level = 20 points

I own the book, so I have seen his profile/points, and honestly, as good as he is... the pricing isn't outlandish as some make it out to be. We're early days in 8th Ed and people haven't developed the lists, skills, etc... to properly snipe our characters yet. Yes, his buff is tremendous, but requires positioning effort, and outside of said buff, he's not contributing to combat, etc... I can see merit in giving him a 50% price hike in a few months when they do that year-end-review book... but he's not going to suddenly made us the GT winning army of forever.

Also, the PL1 = 20pts thing only makes even vague napkin math when units have options. Clearly Powerlevel can translate a mean unit-cost with semi-decent accuracy, but the minute a model comes with "nothing" war-gear wise, its a total crap-shoot.

The regular venomtrope only affects infantery. The manalathrope can affect itself and other big monsters. Sounds very good.

It is good, but the aura is substantially less powerful than it was in 7th, especially for our big guys. It used to give them nearly a 2+/3++, and now it's -16% efficiency for the opponent. Overall, still a good unit for sure. Especially for our backline shooty bugs. But tbh I'm not sure it's auto include like some people are making it out to be.

I'm currently trying to figure out the Hierodules point costs.
FW made some pretty dumb mistakes in this book.

Both Hierodules are listed as coming with 'two massive scything talons'.
I'm thinking this is a typo for the Scythed Hierodule, which should probably be given two pairs of massive scything talons.

Regardless, in the points section, 'massive scything talons' have point costs for 'single' and 'pair'.
Given that no tyranid unit ever has been able to take a single scything talon, I assume this is implied to mean 'single pair' and 'double pair'.
Unfortunately this is complicated by the wrecker claws for the stonecrusher carnifex using the exact same 'single' and 'pair' language, and they can come with just a single claw.

I believe the intent is that Barbed Hierodules pay the 'single' cost, and Scythed Hierodules pay the 'pair' cost. Coincidentally, this gives both of them the same final cost.
However the way it is written, everything pays the 'pair' cost, and everything gets the +1 attack for having 'more than one massive scything talons'.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

I own the book, so I have seen his profile/points, and honestly, as good as he is... the pricing isn't outlandish as some make it out to be. We're early days in 8th Ed and people haven't developed the lists, skills, etc... to properly snipe our characters yet. Yes, his buff is tremendous, but requires positioning effort, and outside of said buff, he's not contributing to combat, etc... I can see merit in giving him a 50% price hike in a few months when they do that year-end-review book... but he's not going to suddenly made us the GT winning army of forever.

luke1705 wrote:It is good, but the aura is substantially less powerful than it was in 7th, especially for our big guys. It used to give them nearly a 2+/3++, and now it's -16% efficiency for the opponent. Overall, still a good unit for sure. Especially for our backline shooty bugs. But tbh I'm not sure it's auto include like some people are making it out to be.

Yeah from the start I'm not seeing this "Malanthrope is ridiculously undercosted!" hype. He's got more wounds than last edition and he's now harder to target, but weapons now deal more damage, his buff rule is weaker, cover is easier to deal with, and his Synapse isn't as important. He's not looking like he needs a point increase at all, to me, and I think with Broodlords and Old One Eye being a thing that he is far from an autoinclude even for the HQ slot. My opinion

Is it possible to play a competative elite Tyranids list that does not involve dozens of models?

Gibs55 wrote:
Is it possible to play a competative elite Tyranids list that does not involve dozens of models?

Look for a Nidzilla variant then, though it's still too early to say what a competitive list is without lots of games in.

 SHUPPET wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

I own the book, so I have seen his profile/points, and honestly, as good as he is... the pricing isn't outlandish as some make it out to be. We're early days in 8th Ed and people haven't developed the lists, skills, etc... to properly snipe our characters yet. Yes, his buff is tremendous, but requires positioning effort, and outside of said buff, he's not contributing to combat, etc... I can see merit in giving him a 50% price hike in a few months when they do that year-end-review book... but he's not going to suddenly made us the GT winning army of forever.

luke1705 wrote:It is good, but the aura is substantially less powerful than it was in 7th, especially for our big guys. It used to give them nearly a 2+/3++, and now it's -16% efficiency for the opponent. Overall, still a good unit for sure. Especially for our backline shooty bugs. But tbh I'm not sure it's auto include like some people are making it out to be.

Yeah from the start I'm not seeing this "Malanthrope is ridiculously undercosted!" hype. He's got more wounds than last edition and he's now harder to target, but weapons now deal more damage, his buff rule is weaker, cover is easier to deal with, and his Synapse isn't as important. He's not looking like he needs a point increase at all, to me, and I think with Broodlords and Old One Eye being a thing that he is far from an autoinclude even for the HQ slot. My opinion

The main thing is that he's a Character. Did your opponents bring Snipers? No? They should never be able to kill it. You know during list viewing if they have the ability to drop in behind him, and can position accordingly. Unless they kill all the stuff preventing you from shooting the Malanthrope, or do something like bring 2-3 Vindicares, it shouldn't die until like T3 at the very earliest.

Gibs55 wrote:
Is it possible to play a competative elite Tyranids list that does not involve dozens of models?

Exocrines and Tyrannofexes seem like a good start

I think Dimachaeron's are REALLY good now too



thicken it out with either Dakkafex or Stonecrusher


what will be competitive is to be seen, especially depending on what armies are capable of I doubt anyone is familiar with them all yet especially with new heavy options coming like as we speak


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Requizen wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

I own the book, so I have seen his profile/points, and honestly, as good as he is... the pricing isn't outlandish as some make it out to be. We're early days in 8th Ed and people haven't developed the lists, skills, etc... to properly snipe our characters yet. Yes, his buff is tremendous, but requires positioning effort, and outside of said buff, he's not contributing to combat, etc... I can see merit in giving him a 50% price hike in a few months when they do that year-end-review book... but he's not going to suddenly made us the GT winning army of forever.

luke1705 wrote:It is good, but the aura is substantially less powerful than it was in 7th, especially for our big guys. It used to give them nearly a 2+/3++, and now it's -16% efficiency for the opponent. Overall, still a good unit for sure. Especially for our backline shooty bugs. But tbh I'm not sure it's auto include like some people are making it out to be.

Yeah from the start I'm not seeing this "Malanthrope is ridiculously undercosted!" hype. He's got more wounds than last edition and he's now harder to target, but weapons now deal more damage, his buff rule is weaker, cover is easier to deal with, and his Synapse isn't as important. He's not looking like he needs a point increase at all, to me, and I think with Broodlords and Old One Eye being a thing that he is far from an autoinclude even for the HQ slot. My opinion

The main thing is that he's a Character. Did your opponents bring Snipers? No? They should never be able to kill it. You know during list viewing if they have the ability to drop in behind him, and can position accordingly. Unless they kill all the stuff preventing you from shooting the Malanthrope, or do something like bring 2-3 Vindicares, it shouldn't die until like T3 at the very earliest.

Yeah I covered that he's a character, the benefit that comes with that is pretty much self explanatory. I also mentioned that this is offset by the fact that what he adds to your army is now significantly less impact in multiple ways, and the nature of our army itself changing also makes him less useful, like he can't keep up with Stealers no matter what you are doing etc and he's slower than last edition. I don't think he's an autoinclude at all even at his leaked listed price.

How many points is a Malanthrope right now?

 benlac wrote:
How many points is a Malanthrope right now?

His points can be found in the new imperial armor Xenos book. It's available now as a digital download or you can get a physical copy