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I actually like the curved hull. I'm bored of box-tanks for Space Marines. Chaos Marines are Chaos for a reason. Did they spent 10.000 years doing nothing in the warp? I know, for someones they didn't spent really 10.000 years but less time. But for the same reasons, many others could have spent 100.000 years or more in the Warp. Are the Dark Mechanicus fans of Transformers and they only do Dino-bots?

The "Everything need to have been done already to fit in the universe!" approach is was killing the creative freedom of Warhammer. If something wasn't done 20 years ago isn't good enough? Bah!

The tank needs rotting flesh, sores, dripping infected eyes etc etc. Some green stuff may be needed, or some third party bitz company will have to make them.

 Galas wrote:
I actually like the curved hull. I'm bored of box-tanks for Space Marines. Chaos Marines are Chaos for a reason. Did they spent 10.000 years doing nothing in the warp? I know, for someones they didn't spent really 10.000 years but less time. But for the same reasons, many others could have spent 100.000 years or more in the Warp. Are the Dark Mechanicus fans of Transformers and they only do Dino-bots?

The "Everything need to have been done already to fit in the universe!" approach is was killing the creative freedom of Warhammer. If something wasn't done 20 years ago isn't good enough? Bah!

Creative freedom is what killed whfb and what will eventually slay 40k.

FudgeDumper wrote:

 Galas wrote:
I actually like the curved hull. I'm bored of box-tanks for Space Marines. Chaos Marines are Chaos for a reason. Did they spent 10.000 years doing nothing in the warp? I know, for someones they didn't spent really 10.000 years but less time. But for the same reasons, many others could have spent 100.000 years or more in the Warp. Are the Dark Mechanicus fans of Transformers and they only do Dino-bots?

The "Everything need to have been done already to fit in the universe!" approach is was killing the creative freedom of Warhammer. If something wasn't done 20 years ago isn't good enough? Bah!

Creative freedom is what killed whfb and what will eventually slay 40k.

They killed WHFB for many reasons. They have now much more creative freedom yeah, but that wasn't the main one.

I actually think lack of creative freedom and stagnation was what led to warhammer getting into the slump that ultimately led to AoS. I think it might've been a bit overboard though, and am glad to see 40k taking a more measured approach to expansion, both in the sense of new additions to the game and new lore and story elements.

Though again, we are still discussing the fact a space marine faction has a tank that can't be described as "a box but with ____"

The current 40k and AoS lore is a sea of gak produced by oblivious and self important writers who have no reins.

Is a universe written and supported by a Multinational Business. It isn't written to have narrative quality and consistence. Thats why the overall quality has droped. But that isn't something new. Where have you been the past 20 years?

FudgeDumper wrote:
The current 40k and AoS lore is a sea of gak produced by oblivious and self important writers who have no reins.

Looking back over the last two years, 40k lore is in a good place. Progress is actually being made and things that aren't rehashes are occurring. So I can say taking the reigns off finally has been a good thing.

It is usually when the business side starts giving direction that abd lore tends to come out. Armies being made into mary sues because the lore is basically propaganda for why you should buy that faction, or primaris marines because people want the space marine version of space marines.

Can't say I agree that 40k lore is in a good place. The Primaris were handled horrifically, everything in the universe is attributed to either Cawl or Guilliman and Abaddon appears to have lost his importance because of the 30k-style Primarch-centric plotline.

Anyway, I really like the tank. Very keen to see it in DG green.

looks in some ways a LIIIIITLE like this tank here:

The tank might look better without the snow plow on the front. It does look like there's some mechanical ruffage behind it, so that might break up the simpler shape of the rest of the vehicle.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Can't say I agree that 40k lore is in a good place. The Primaris were handled horrifically, everything in the universe is attributed to either Cawl or Guilliman and Abaddon appears to have lost his importance because of the 30k-style Primarch-centric plotline.

Anyway, I really like the tank. Very keen to see it in DG green.

Well... frankly Abaddon loses him importance the moment you start really thinking about things too much. He isn't Horus and will never be able to live up to his title and the demon primarchs were more than he could ever hope to be even when they were still humans, much less now. His "leadership" is entirely dependent on him being an nonthreatening neutral choice none of the chaos gods of primarchs object to, so he can lead a semi unified crusade. Now that they finally got rid of the pylons and Cadia... they've gone back to doing their own thing, focusing on spreading their influence. He isn't needed or particularly wanted now, and his crusade will slowly fall apart.

As far as Cawl and RG go, I like both. I really enjoy seeing one of the primarchs come back and have to face what the imperium has become. As for Cawl, he is the first mechanicus character to feature heavily in modern lore or have a model, and he is an interesting one to boot. They also aren't being portrayed as perfect or without fault. Extremely powerful and influential yes, but also flawed. Which again is better than GW has done with lore before (draigo).

The primaris well... I can't say I love them but I enjoy the potential for more variation in the SM line up that isn't just a retcon. Their personal lore is positively restrained compared to what GW has pushed before. I also like the potential friction, you can't tell me the idea of normal ultramarines having to accept they really aren't the best around isn't fun. These newcomers are not just better but have their spiritual lieges' blessing to boot. So that's a fun angle.

In short, I think the lore is in a good place. it's got more teeth in it than it has in years, and I actually want to see where they go from here. Which is a sentiment I haven't really expressed in quite a while.

Just realized this post was massivley off topic, sorry!

BrianDavion wrote:
looks in some ways a LIIIIITLE like this tank here:

Spoiler:

Particularly if you spun it around and changed which side was front. The mortar could even be angled about the same

SilverAlien wrote:
As far as Cawl and RG go, I like both.

Yeah, you could have left it at that. I also don't think you understand the role of Abaddon, or simply don't like the more traditional 2nd-3rd ed lore. This is, however, off topic.

Anyway, on topic:



I'm hopeful that the possible transport variant is worth taking over a rhino. Wonder what the capacity is.

I'd be dissappointed if a nurglite transport's number wasn't 7 (I've also heard the number 7 being used for the stats for the new Primaris tank, I could see them making the number equal)

transport varient is certainly an intreasting thought, seems to me that making it an ARMED transport might be worth it, give chaos a razorback answer.

I could also see it not having active weapons but instead some sort of radius effect.

I think the cannon is just hidden behind the Plague Marine with the angle at which the tank is going. Also, as we've seen a rhino in the same picture as the new tank, I'm guessing rhinos will still be our transport. If the tank has multiple variants, I'm expecting they will be different gun loadouts

Sturmtiger aside, I like how it looks like someone THOUGHT, hey, build it rounded on the front, it'll go faster/be harder to shoot/carry more ammo that way. Like a bizarre WW1 contraption. I like it.

I actually despise the new tank Maybe its just the horrible angels of the photos, but it looks like someone took a stick of butter (actually greenstuff) and just... dropped it onto the tank and shoved a IG/oop Orc Lobba on the back (reusing old casts ftw)... and don't get me started on that piddly little 'nurgle's emblem but a smoke launcher' or whatever it is sticking out of the hull on the front above the snow plow. Until the 360 view comes out, they've entirely lost me on that tank. However, the teased multi-part plague marines and also the termies are still keeping me excited