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You want a color fro your bases that will be either neutral or contrasting to get the best result. I would stay away for anything too red.

Fair point. It'll be covered in tan-colored sand, perhaps I could use dry soil, instead, for a darker color?

Thank you, all!

 Red__Thirst wrote:


Do you know what kind of basing scheme you're going to go with by chance? Just wondering.

Not sure on the bases yet, but I'm okay with the black for now.


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 Melissia wrote:
Fair point. It'll be covered in tan-colored sand, perhaps I could use dry soil, instead, for a darker color?

Model railroad flock works good, but I'm not rushing it

 fatbudda319 wrote:

p5freak wrote:
Replace Astorath or Lemartes with Brother Corbulo. Replace 10 DC with 10 CV, with two Chainswords, and you get 41 attacks, at S5. The seven 6s you roll, you get seven additional attacks, rerolling failed attacks. BC can revive dead models, or heal characters.

Problem there though is that Corbs has to foot slog or ride in a transport? Surely a normal jump pack priest would be better? You lose out on a few attacks but it would end up cheaper/more flexible? Also wouldnt one squad of 10 vanguard vets be better than 2, 5 man company vets in this case?

Yes, Bro Corb would need to walk, or be in a transport. If you want to go all JP, and deepstrike, a normal priest would be better.

Do Flesh Tearers get to take Librarian Dreadnoughts, Death Company and co?

Seems like they have the Blood Bagels key word whereas Flesh Tearers don't (eg Gabriel Seth).

Yes they can as they are not named characters.

Flesh Tearers have their leader, Gabriel Seth. Looks good, on paper at least.

Well, here is the 1,500 point list I will be running for my first game of 8th Edition Saturday, don't know what I will be playing yet.

HQ
-Captain w/ Power Sword, Storm Bolter
-Chaplain w/ Jump Pack, Plasma Pistol

ELITE
-Company Ancient w/ Bolt Pistol
-Sanguinary Noviciate w/ Chainsword
-2x Company Veterans w/ Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
-Dreadnought w/ Multi-Melta, Dread CCW, Storm Bolter

TROOPS
-5x Marines w/ Hand Flamer & Powerfist (Sgt), Flamer
-10x Marines w/ Hand Flamer & Powerfist (Sgt), Heavy Flamer, Flamer
-10x Marines w/ Combi-Plasma & Chainsword (Sgt), Plasma Cannon, Plasma Gun

FAST
10x Assault Marines w/ Plasma Pistol & Lightning Claw (Sgt), 2x Plasma Pistol

HEAVY
-10x Devastators w/ 4x Missile Launchers

TRANSPORTS
-2x Rhinos w/ Storm Bolter

I am working on building the full 3rd Company, and my back story for it is that the Captain Machiavi of the 3rd gave up all rights to any of the Primaris reinforcements to be alloted a larger tithe of Gene-Seed and recruits from their successor Chapters and the other Companies. Along with a larger allotment of basic equipment, which is why my Company will not really have any of the unique Blood Angels equipment and units.

I imagine that even though the Blood Angels were grateful to receive reinforcements, unless Rowboat dropped off a massive amount of equipment and ammo to produce all of the new weapons, armor and supplies the Primaris Marines use, it will be a huge undertaking to integrate them into Chapter. The Chapter has been producing the same weapons with very little change for literally 10,000 years, having to learn how all the Primaris equipment operates, how to make it, understand the specs of the weapons and build the machines to make it all won't be a quick task. Along with potentially retraining all the Primaris Marines to better fit into the culture and mentality of the current Blood Angels Chapter.

Which is why I think the higher-ups of the Chapter like Dante would see it smart to get about half the Companies to full strength with regular Space Marines while they undertake the integration and training of brand new troops, and train the current troops to work with the capabilities of the new Primaris Marines as well.

Have to finish building the second Rhino, and have a few more bits to get onto the models (pin the Storm Bolter on the Captain, modify where the backpack goes onto for the current style, finish getting the backpacks in the Missile Devastators, and finish cleaning the mould lines off of the Jump Packs for the Assault Marines... plus two are missing arms), and I currently don't have the standard bits for the Company Ancient (will be ordering them online on the 1st).

Hoping to get all the weapon barrels drilled out this following week and start painting!

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Well, here is the 1,500 point list I will be running for my first game of 8th Edition Saturday, don't know what I will be playing yet.

HQ
-Captain w/ Power Sword, Storm Bolter
-Chaplain w/ Jump Pack, Plasma Pistol

ELITE
-Company Ancient w/ Bolt Pistol
-Sanguinary Noviciate w/ Chainsword
-2x Company Veterans w/ Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
-Dreadnought w/ Multi-Melta, Dread CCW, Storm Bolter

TROOPS
-5x Marines w/ Hand Flamer & Powerfist (Sgt), Flamer
-10x Marines w/ Hand Flamer & Powerfist (Sgt), Heavy Flamer, Flamer
-10x Marines w/ Combi-Plasma & Chainsword (Sgt), Plasma Cannon, Plasma Gun

FAST
10x Assault Marines w/ Plasma Pistol & Lightning Claw (Sgt), 2x Plasma Pistol

HEAVY
-10x Devastators w/ 4x Missile Launchers

TRANSPORTS
-2x Rhinos w/ Storm Bolter

I am working on building the full 3rd Company, and my back story for it is that the Captain Machiavi of the 3rd gave up all rights to any of the Primaris reinforcements to be alloted a larger tithe of Gene-Seed and recruits from their successor Chapters and the other Companies. Along with a larger allotment of basic equipment, which is why my Company will not really have any of the unique Blood Angels equipment and units.

I imagine that even though the Blood Angels were grateful to receive reinforcements, unless Rowboat dropped off a massive amount of equipment and ammo to produce all of the new weapons, armor and supplies the Primaris Marines use, it will be a huge undertaking to integrate them into Chapter. The Chapter has been producing the same weapons with very little change for literally 10,000 years, having to learn how all the Primaris equipment operates, how to make it, understand the specs of the weapons and build the machines to make it all won't be a quick task. Along with potentially retraining all the Primaris Marines to better fit into the culture and mentality of the current Blood Angels Chapter.

Which is why I think the higher-ups of the Chapter like Dante would see it smart to get about half the Companies to full strength with regular Space Marines while they undertake the integration and training of brand new troops, and train the current troops to work with the capabilities of the new Primaris Marines as well.

Have to finish building the second Rhino, and have a few more bits to get onto the models (pin the Storm Bolter on the Captain, modify where the backpack goes onto for the current style, finish getting the backpacks in the Missile Devastators, and finish cleaning the mould lines off of the Jump Packs for the Assault Marines... plus two are missing arms), and I currently don't have the standard bits for the Company Ancient (will be ordering them online on the 1st).

Hoping to get all the weapon barrels drilled out this following week and start painting!

All that metal brings a smile to my face, looking good so far, looking forward to the paint job. Going blood angels, or a successor chapter?

 Coyote81 wrote:


All that metal brings a smile to my face, looking good so far, looking forward to the paint job. Going blood angels, or a successor chapter?

I plan to do Blood Angels, I have finished collecting enough of those old buggers to do the entire 3rd Company, just short a few bits here and there. I had a tiny Blood Angels force in 3rd edition I never finished (like many of my armies), and always wanted to own a complete Battle Company. Starting collecting all this about 3-4 months ago, I can't believe how much the price of bits has gone up online! Dang scalpers on eBay for plastic! But, it's been real fun building both this army and my other one as a blast from the past, and both armies I wanted as a kid be could never afford. That's one of the reasons I have been so sparing with actual Blood Angels bits, I more or less wanted the army to look like it came right out of 3rd edition (the first edition I ever played), minus the fact that all those 25mm bases are all round lipped bases, along with the bases for the Dreadnoughts. I love round lipped bases if I am doing my own basing and not buying specialty ones, plus since they are solid plastic (minus the slots on the 25mm ones) they add a decent amount of weight to the bottom to help them keep from tipping over.

Can't wait to see how they do Saturday! Most guys in the area run more elite style, low model count lists besides the Genestealer Cult player. I don't think anybody is expecting a 50+ model count Marine army that is still a surprisingly few amount of deployment drops.


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Also, I found it shocking just how good those old models can look with current bits. Besides a few strange fitment issues with the heavy weapons so far, it has all gone on surprisingly easy!

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Well, here is the 1,500 point list I will be running for my first game of 8th Edition Saturday, don't know what I will be playing yet.

HQ
-Captain w/ Power Sword, Storm Bolter
-Chaplain w/ Jump Pack, Plasma Pistol

ELITE
-Company Ancient w/ Bolt Pistol
-Sanguinary Noviciate w/ Chainsword
-2x Company Veterans w/ Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
-Dreadnought w/ Multi-Melta, Dread CCW, Storm Bolter

TROOPS
-5x Marines w/ Hand Flamer & Powerfist (Sgt), Flamer
-10x Marines w/ Hand Flamer & Powerfist (Sgt), Heavy Flamer, Flamer
-10x Marines w/ Combi-Plasma & Chainsword (Sgt), Plasma Cannon, Plasma Gun

FAST
10x Assault Marines w/ Plasma Pistol & Lightning Claw (Sgt), 2x Plasma Pistol

HEAVY
-10x Devastators w/ 4x Missile Launchers

TRANSPORTS
-2x Rhinos w/ Storm Bolter

I am working on building the full 3rd Company, and my back story for it is that the Captain Machiavi of the 3rd gave up all rights to any of the Primaris reinforcements to be alloted a larger tithe of Gene-Seed and recruits from their successor Chapters and the other Companies. Along with a larger allotment of basic equipment, which is why my Company will not really have any of the unique Blood Angels equipment and units.

You're really close to being able to run a Vanguard Detachment and a Battalion Detachment for a total of 7 command points, you might want to consider making room for one more HQ unit.

senor_flojo wrote:


You're really close to being able to run a Vanguard Detachment and a Battalion Detachment for a total of 7 command points, you might want to consider making room for one more HQ unit.

Huh, I didn't even think of that! I will probably keep it as is for now. I will tweak my 2,000 point list and post it up. Thanks for three heads up though!

I am really liking the idea of 5 man Vanguard vets with jump packs coming down with two Plasma pistols a piece for 160, ten shots with a 24" threat range.

With that many plasma rolls, you're risking 1's if you overcharge.

Maybe keep a jump pack captain with them? 93 points with the jump pack, plus whatever weapons you prefer.

Nice looking force Gunsmith! Be sure to start up a painting blog in the P&M Blogs forum so we can follow along!

I'm going to be trying to start working on some Primaris marines in the near future I suspect. I need the extra boots on the ground and I figure they'll make a fun diversion from painting Jump Pack models/Death Company. I'll also be putting a Death Co. Dread into the queue soon as well once the Storm Raven is finished up. Magna Grapple and paired Fists with a Heavy Flamer and Meltagun. Should be fun for sure.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

So, has anyone thought much about including the new primaris marines in their blood angels army? The new dread looks awfully pretty in red..

 fatbudda319 wrote:
So, has anyone thought much about including the new primaris marines in their blood angels army? The new dread looks awfully pretty in red..

Tempted.

Will have to envision Flesh Tearer colours.

I may end up just painting my army red...because I know that Sanguinius will be released as soon as I paint them in Flesh Tearer colours

 fatbudda319 wrote:
So, has anyone thought much about including the new primaris marines in their blood angels army? The new dread looks awfully pretty in red..

Tac squads have always been a bit lacklustre in a BA army so I am planning to experiment with a couple of 5-man intercessor squads as backfield objective campers. Twice as many wounds to chew through, longer ranged weapons and -1AP on their bolt rifles. Or I could just give up on Battalions and their extra CPs and run Vanguard detachments.

I am not convinced the other units give us anything we cannot get elsewhere. Inceptors are very expensive, even after the points drop in the Marine codex (which we cannot take advantage of unless we run them as "Red Angels" :(). Hellblasters look quite nice but really need a Captain to hold their hands to minimise overheats. Aggressors look OK but need a transport to get those weapons up close. I am not convinced they bring anything we cannot get more cheaply with Van Vets or Comp Vets whose jump packs give them the mobility they need much more cheaply. Reivers look interesting but it is not as if we are short of good assault units.

I've passed on including any Primaris stuff in my army yet, as nothing released so far is dedicated to close combat. On Intersessors v Tacticals I just use a 10 man Tactical Squad, which has the advantage of more shots and a heavy flamer.

So is the optimal way to run Death Company 2x Chainswords on basically everyone? Possibly with a fist on one to help bust up big stuff now that fists are a lot cheaper than before (and actually cheaper than a Thunder Hammer).

Depends on what you want to kill and whether or not you're using an accompanying sanguinary priest.

Power axe with an accompanying sanguinary priest will wound T3 models on a 2+, and ignores GEQ armor saves.. Power maul with a priest will let you cause wounds to most vehicles on a 4+ or better, though you do lose out on armor saves. Still, you can wound T6 on a 3+ with it, which is excellent. Power swords with a priest will let you wound MEQ on a 3+ and render MEQ armor saves to a 6+ and completely removes lesser armor saves. Without a priest, barebones with 2xchainsword is a nice 4 attacks on a charge each, which is pretty beefy and wounds T3 on a 3+ still.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So is the optimal way to run Death Company 2x Chainswords on basically everyone? Possibly with a fist on one to help bust up big stuff now that fists are a lot cheaper than before (and actually cheaper than a Thunder Hammer).

I'm aware that the Power Fist was changed in SM, but was it FAQ'd for BA?

Hadn't realised that Death Company were running Chainswords for days. I thought you only get +1 attack for Chainswords. Can you split attacks between weapons or something?

 Frozocrone wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So is the optimal way to run Death Company 2x Chainswords on basically everyone? Possibly with a fist on one to help bust up big stuff now that fists are a lot cheaper than before (and actually cheaper than a Thunder Hammer).

I'm aware that the Power Fist was changed in SM, but was it FAQ'd for BA?

I know that BA can use SM unit cards and their reduced prices for equipment. Not sure if this applies to death compan.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So is the optimal way to run Death Company 2x Chainswords on basically everyone? Possibly with a fist on one to help bust up big stuff now that fists are a lot cheaper than before (and actually cheaper than a Thunder Hammer).

I'm aware that the Power Fist was changed in SM, but was it FAQ'd for BA?

Hadn't realised that Death Company were running Chainswords for days. I thought you only get +1 attack for Chainswords. Can you split attacks between weapons or something?

In the FAQ regarding the SM Codex, they said use the new numbers wherever the overlap. So anything that has a Datasheet or Wargear option in the SM Codex can be overridden. Since I will have the SM Codex for my other main army (Crimson Fists), I am going to use the new values.

Yes, you can split the attacks between the two weapons, so you effectively get +2 Attacks if using two Chainswords.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So is the optimal way to run Death Company 2x Chainswords on basically everyone? Possibly with a fist on one to help bust up big stuff now that fists are a lot cheaper than before (and actually cheaper than a Thunder Hammer).

I'm aware that the Power Fist was changed in SM, but was it FAQ'd for BA?

Hadn't realised that Death Company were running Chainswords for days. I thought you only get +1 attack for Chainswords. Can you split attacks between weapons or something?

In the FAQ regarding the SM Codex, they said use the new numbers wherever the overlap. So anything that has a Datasheet or Wargear option in the SM Codex can be overridden. Since I will have the SM Codex for my other main army (Crimson Fists), I am going to use the new values.

Yeah, this makes me super freaking happy.

It saves me 55 points. CAn give my other two sniper squads camo cloaks and have 25 points left over for upgrades. Thinking some combiweapons if I can get some.

 Melissia wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So is the optimal way to run Death Company 2x Chainswords on basically everyone? Possibly with a fist on one to help bust up big stuff now that fists are a lot cheaper than before (and actually cheaper than a Thunder Hammer).

I'm aware that the Power Fist was changed in SM, but was it FAQ'd for BA?

Hadn't realised that Death Company were running Chainswords for days. I thought you only get +1 attack for Chainswords. Can you split attacks between weapons or something?

In the FAQ regarding the SM Codex, they said use the new numbers wherever the overlap. So anything that has a Datasheet or Wargear option in the SM Codex can be overridden. Since I will have the SM Codex for my other main army (Crimson Fists), I am going to use the new values.

Yeah, this makes me super freaking happy.

It saves me 55 points. CAn give my other two sniper squads camo cloaks and have 25 points left over for upgrades. Thinking some combiweapons if I can get some.

Yup. Lots of stuff got cheaper. By my estimate, my BA list went down 32 pts just from Power Fists alone. I still like that Power Fists are actually worth taking over Thunder Hammers in some cases (they are 4 pts cheaper now).

Oh wow, I guess that means I will have room for relics and more Storm Bolters on Rhinos once our Codex finally drops! I am just going to use my Index until we get our Codex, don't want to pay for something I won't use.

But, one thing I have been thinking about it is, if we do get Furious Charge as our Chapter Tactic... Wouldn't Tactical Marines be better than their Primaris alternative just from the sheer number of attacks you get when charging?

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Oh wow, I guess that means I will have room for relics and more Storm Bolters on Rhinos once our Codex finally drops! I am just going to use my Index until we get our Codex, don't want to pay for something I won't use.

But, one thing I have been thinking about it is, if we do get Furious Charge as our Chapter Tactic... Wouldn't Tactical Marines be better than their Primaris alternative just from the sheer number of attacks you get when charging?

Relics don't cost points. So you will already be able to do that.

I'm intensely interested in seeing what our Relics are, and what kind of additional psychic powers we can look forward to.

I'm honestly hoping for a weapon of some kind, hopefully a sword. In addition, I hope we can improve our Captain's armor save to a 2+ for a point increase, as Blood Angels are renowned for having artificer armor on many of their leaders, as well as the Sanguinary Guard obviously.

We shall see. I'm going to be working on a squad of 5 basic primaris marines with their upgraded bolters soon, as a back line holder, to go with my standard tactical squad marines. I play 5th battle company, so it makes sense to have some 'replacements' coming in the form of Primaris ranks after the events in the Angel's Blade book came to pass.

Gotta finish this Storm Raven first though.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
Oh wow, I guess that means I will have room for relics and more Storm Bolters on Rhinos once our Codex finally drops! I am just going to use my Index until we get our Codex, don't want to pay for something I won't use.

But, one thing I have been thinking about it is, if we do get Furious Charge as our Chapter Tactic... Wouldn't Tactical Marines be better than their Primaris alternative just from the sheer number of attacks you get when charging?

Relics don't cost points. So you will already be able to do that.

Sort of.

Relics cost CP. You can take up to three. First one costs zero CP. Second one costs one CP. Third one costs two CP, for a total of 3 CP for 3 relics.