Making Orks Competitive in 8th - Waaaagh! (Ork tactics)

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**Azhday**

You can still kitbash stuff. You can buy cheaper stuff like Trukk and make 3 Mek Gunz out of it and your spare parts. You'll spend less money and still buy from your friends shop. Tinkering with models is big part of fun you get from playing Orks. But then again, you are a Mathmech so this might not apply to you ^^

**pismakron**

Azhday wrote:
You can still kitbash stuff. You can buy cheaper stuff like Trukk and make 3 Mek Gunz out of it and your spare parts. You'll spend less money and still buy from your friends shop. Tinkering with models is big part of fun you get from playing Orks. But then again, you are a Mathmech so this might not apply to you ^^

You can, but you are only really interested in KMK's

**Blackie**

Just use the barrels of KMBs from lootas and dreads kits, if you have them, to make kitsbashed mek gunz count as KMKs witthout proxying.

**rvd1ofakind**

I want stuff as close as possible model and color wise to how they're presented on the GW page, unless I really dislike a color.

**geargutz**

geargutz wrote:
Ok, since the topic is on one of my favorite units (mek gun) there are plenty of alternatives to buying realy expensive gw ones.
I Personaly convert my old killa kanz into gum toting bad orks, but I also found this site recently
https://miniaturescenery.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=19
For the price of one gw gun you get 3 wit traktor like and plasma swaps for each.
Of course since it's laser etched wood you'll have to get different glue (instructions are right there on the page). Also while your at it check out their other ork is pure vehicles. If you want sweet looking warbuggies these guys have you covered.
Edit. Sorry if auto correct made some of this unreadable.

Sorry, should've put a pic with the link. These models look great and are cheap. Though they are made of wood

**Vitali Advenil**

I've never painted on wood and I dont know that I want to. Wouldn't the models naturally warp over time due to moisture? Or are these treated?

**geargutz**

Vitali Advenil wrote:
I've never painted on wood and I dont know that I want to. Wouldn't the models naturally warp over time due to moisture? Or are these treated?

Personaly I have never worked with painting wood models, but checking online I found you can prevent warping with a sealer (maybe dip the model in a bucket?), then you can prime over the do painting as usual.

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Though basic painting does provide some protection from warping, and also most people don't leave their models outside and exposed to the elements. It should be fine with basic paint job.

**Ashkayel**

They look really nice. If I had not already 8 ork vehicles I would buy the 'Arf Track for another one. Just to try it.

**rvd1ofakind**

There is currently a discussion on facebook going where people think that Mob Rule should only work on the leadership characteristic...
NotLikeThis...

**pismakron**

rvd1ofakind wrote:
There is currently a discussion on facebook going where people think that Mob Rule should only work on the leadership characteristic...
NotLikeThis...

It already only works on the leadership characteristic.

**Jidmah**

rvd1ofakind wrote:
There is currently a discussion on facebook going where people think that Mob Rule should only work on the leadership characteristic...
NotLikeThis...

What is the issue exactly?

**Weazel**

I suppose giving said leadership characteristic to nearby units as well is an issue to somebody.

**rvd1ofakind**

Jidmah wrote:
rvd1ofakind wrote:
There is currently a discussion on facebook going where people think that Mob Rule should only work on the leadership characteristic...
NotLikeThis...

What is the issue exactly?

People are saying that the rule does not give the nearby unit's model count as leadership, just the leadership characteristic.

**Weazel**

rvd1ofakind wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
rvd1ofakind wrote:
There is currently a discussion on facebook going where people think that Mob Rule should only work on the leadership characteristic...
NotLikeThis...

What is the issue exactly?

People are saying that the rule does not give the nearby unit's model count as leadership, just the leadership characteristic.

But that is exactly how it works. You substitute the mob size for leadership characteristic meaning a mob of 30 is leadership 30. Now a nearby unit can use this leadership value. There's really no two ways to interpret this.

**An Actual Englishman**

Weazel wrote:
But that is exactly how it works. You substitute the mob size for leadership characteristic meaning a mob of 30 is leadership 30. Now a nearby unit can use this leadership value. There's really no two ways to interpret this.

This. The rule is simple and can only be interpreted in the way that everyone is currently playing it.

**JimOnMars**

Exactly. The rule states "leadership", not "former, unbuffed leadership."

**rvd1ofakind**

Which is why I think those people are really really stupid.
"But it can still mean the other way!"

**Grimskul**

People seriously want to nerf one of the things that work well for us this edition? Like I get people wanting morale wanting to do something but geez. Last thing we need is a commissar level errata.

**JimOnMars**

Orks are never allowed to be the best at anything. LD30 is an affront to those people.

**Grimskul**

JimOnMars wrote:
Orks are never allowed to be the best at anything. LD30 is an affront to those people.

It really does kind of seem like it sometimes doesn't it? It's like the fact that part of the Ork identity of being comic relief means we can't ever be seriously competitive.

**rvd1ofakind**

It's actually ork players saying that >_>

**koooaei**

I guess it can be interpreted in a way that, say you have a 30 boy blob, a 10 boy unit within 6 inches of it, and a unit of 5 nobz more than 6" away from a 30 boy blob but within 6"of a 10 boy squad. So, a 10 boy squad gets ld 30. And now nobz also get ld30 cause they can use 10 boy squad's ld that is now 30. Means you can chain high ld across the board. Which doesn't seem to be all that fair even to an ork player.

**pismakron**

koooaei wrote:
I guess it can be interpreted in a way that, say you have a 30 boy blob, a 10 boy unit within 6 inches of it, and a unit of 5 nobz more than 6" away from a 30 boy blob but within 6"of a 10 boy squad. So, a 10 boy squad gets ld 30. And now nobz also get ld30 cause they can use 10 boy squad's ld that is now 30. Means you can chain high ld across the board. Which doesn't seem to be all that fair even to an ork player.

But that is not how the mob rule works. Every unit gets its model count as its leadership. And any unit can use an adjacent units leadership instead of its own for morale purposes, but it keeps its own model count as its own leadership. So you cannot conga-line leadership that way.

A 12 boy unit next to a 28 boy unit will have leadership 12, but it can use the adjacent units leadership of 28 for morale purposes.

Many opponents don't understand that Ork blobs should be evenly wittled down, rather than finished off entirely.

**SemperMortis**

rvd1ofakind wrote:
It's actually ork players saying that >_>

that's because a lot of Ork players hate themselves lol. I am actually being serious. Propose a buff to Orkz and they come out of the woodwork yelling and screaming they don't want to be power gamers. Or they propose a "buff" to Orkz that is actually a nerf

**An Actual Englishman**

Why are these ork players bringing this up now, we've all been playing this way for months now? I think what a lot of players don't realise about ork morale is that it gets exponentially weaker as we lose models. We don't just suffer because we lose a ton of models but as we lose them our morale itself drops. It's a double whammy and intelligent opponents know that they don't need to annihilate every boy to reduce a unit to zero.

Its also incredibly thematic and fluffy.

**Breng77**

Yup it makes orks essentially the anti-necrons where instead of murdering a single squad you are much better off killing half of 2 different squads.

I think the large issue people have with ork morale rules right now is that green tide is really the build most people are leaning on and if you have six 30 boy mobz all within range to give morale to one another, they basically never fail morale.

**Azhday**

SemperMortis wrote:
rvd1ofakind wrote:
It's actually ork players saying that >_>
that's because a lot of Ork players hate themselves lol. I am actually being serious. Propose a buff to Orkz and they come out of the woodwork yelling and screaming they don't want to be power gamers. Or they propose a "buff" to Orkz that is actually a nerf

Don't be melodramatic, it's probably just GW's sleeper agents that are creating a situation for GW to have justification for making Mob Rule useless in the Codex

**SemperMortis**

Azhday wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
rvd1ofakind wrote:
It's actually ork players saying that >_>
that's because a lot of Ork players hate themselves lol. I am actually being serious. Propose a buff to Orkz and they come out of the woodwork yelling and screaming they don't want to be power gamers. Or they propose a "buff" to Orkz that is actually a nerf

Don't be melodramatic, it's probably just GW's sleeper agents that are creating a situation for GW to have justification for making Mob Rule useless in the Codex

I laughed way to hard at this

**rvd1ofakind**

SemperMortis wrote:
Azhday wrote:
SemperMortis wrote:
rvd1ofakind wrote:
It's actually ork players saying that >_>
that's because a lot of Ork players hate themselves lol. I am actually being serious. Propose a buff to Orkz and they come out of the woodwork yelling and screaming they don't want to be power gamers. Or they propose a "buff" to Orkz that is actually a nerf

Don't be melodramatic, it's probably just GW's sleeper agents that are creating a situation for GW to have justification for making Mob Rule useless in the Codex

I laughed way to hard at this

Same, but replace laughed by cringed.
Yes, gw really wants people to buy less miniatures. Sounds smart.

**Jidmah**

If GW wants orks to buy more models, they will just nerf everything to oblivion and then force you to buy a new book which requires you to buy everything you already had another two or three times in order to be able to compete with other bottom tier armies.