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I didn't include Sanguinius and Ferrus, as they've gone the way of the dodo.

To me, it would actually be Corax, closely followed by the Lion. A man whom left the Imperium specifically because of guilt wrought by gene-seed tampering gone wrong wouldn't take kindly to Guilliman and Cawl's newest post-humans. Lion El'Johnson would be very likely to do so as well, as I do not see him accepting Guilliman as pseudo-Warmaster of the Imperium, especially when his skills could be better put to filing reports on the Unforgiven's bathrobes.

Dorn and Leman Russ are distant second tier for me, as though neither liked the Codex Astartes, they might be able to see eye to eye with Guilliman on the pragmatic aspect of his gene-seed tampering, though as with the Lion, the title of Warmaster Lord Commander might have to go, as with his re-organisation of the Imperium. His consorting with xenos may be an issue too.

Vulkan and the Khan are the ones I see whom would have the least problem with Guilliman's changes.

I'll vote on Jonson.

The HH stuff has clearly set up a rift between him an Girlyman and I like to believe that he is far, far too loyal to the Emperor to allow this whole Imperium Secundus redux to go through without opposition - he will see this as usurping daddy's place.

Another vote for the Lion. He is ambitous and arrogant enough to start trouble for Guilliman and would certainly not be happy with Guilliman outranking him as Regent.

Russ or Khan would likely simply head out to the front lines which would free up Roboute to concentrate on logistics and governance.

I don't even see Corax as causing trouble. The Primaris Marines are very much a successful version of what he was attempting to do with the Raptors. Whilst he was certainly guilty about that failure, the fact that Primaris Marines have now been active for over a century during the Indomitus Crusade suggests they are stable.

 Karhedron wrote:
Another vote for the Lion. He is ambitous and arrogant enough to start trouble for Guilliman and would certainly not be happy with Guilliman outranking him as Regent.

I think the Lion due to the same reasons list here and above. Corax just doesn't strike me as having the temperament to be willing to start a rift in the Imperium, if he was at odds with Guilliman he'd likely prefer to go his own way rather than usurp the G-man.

And, from a meta perspective, the inclusion of Cypher in the recent fluff does point to his return being next as fairly likely.

The Lion does what the Lion wants. If he disagrees with Roboute's direction it's because the Lion is never wrong (in his not so humble opinion).

The Lion has the brains and the shiftiness to start a new Heresy. Dude is sketchy as all hell. During the HH when everyone was wondering who the warmaster was going to be, there were 4 criterias that participants needed - charisma, tactical, strategic, and grand strategic mastery.

Horus was the natural choice. Sanguinius, Papa Smurf, and the Lion were strong contenders. The first 2 are dead, only the last 2 remain.

The Lion and Papa Smurf never had the charisma, but they are both dead smart.

thing is Gulliman was Lord Commander at the time the Lion dissappered, he's already accepted the status quo.

I picked none, if Guilliman can accept the current Imperium, I imagine the rest of them will.

So Gulliman is the correct answer?

While the Lion is the most likely, I doubt such a thing will come to pass. Perhaps some minor infighting and disagreement, but never outright heresy.

Lion or Russ. Lion would try to take command from Roboute. Russ would challenge him and cause problems. The Lion would be worse though, as the Dark Angels and all their successors would splinter off as opposed to just the wolves

I dont know if I would see Russ as someone that would challenge him for control of the Imperium or on how he's handling things. I do how ever think he'd be a great naysayer for Guilliman, seeing things Guilliman can't.

For the one who I think would be most likely, The Lion for sure. Everything about his character just seems to fit the role. He's already challenged Guilliman for preserving a portion of the Empire once, he wasn't happy about Imperium Secundus and he caused problems just because he could.

Jonson never wanted to be in charge, he only wanted to be recognized as awesome by whoever was in charge.

Russ was a traitor in thought and action. His reign is entirely summed up with "do what I say because I know what's right. Ignore that I'm not doing what I say is right because I know what's right".

Russ and Magnus were the same guy.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Jonson never wanted to be in charge, he only wanted to be recognized as awesome by whoever was in charge.

Except for that part when he very deliberately gives Perterabo some super tooled up artillery pieces right before the Drop Site Massacre on the condition that Perty supported him in his bid to be Warmaster once Horus was dealt with.

Russ was a traitor in thought and action. His reign is entirely summed up with "do what I say because I know what's right. Ignore that I'm not doing what I say is right because I know what's right".

Russ and Magnus were the same guy.

Except when daddy is telling one of you you are right and the other he's wrong it doesn't really matter if they were technically the same person.

it's worth noting the emperor apparently did communicate with Gulliman. so it's possiable that if another Primarch returned they'd be escorted to the Emperor and be told in very clear terms "... support Gulliman on this, he's following a plan I gave him"

Where's the "NONE" option?

We still don't know why Corax left the Imperium now - because before it WAS his fault, now, with the New Heresy, he knows it is the Alpha Legion's fault (of course).

So...a hell of a lot less guilt there.

I think all of the above will be...OK with what's going on, especially now as Chaos - and the Daemon Primarchs - are CLEARLY the problem now, not to mention all those filthy Xenos!

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Jonson never wanted to be in charge, he only wanted to be recognized as awesome by whoever was in charge.

Except for that part when he very deliberately gives Perterabo some super tooled up artillery pieces right before the Drop Site Massacre on the condition that Perty supported him in his bid to be Warmaster once Horus was dealt with.

Warmaster isn't in charge. The Emperor is in charge. Jonson wanted to be second in command of the Imperium.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Russ was a traitor in thought and action. His reign is entirely summed up with "do what I say because I know what's right. Ignore that I'm not doing what I say is right because I know what's right".

Russ and Magnus were the same guy.

Except when daddy is telling one of you you are right and the other he's wrong it doesn't really matter if they were technically the same person.

No one told Russ anything, he just assumed he was right. Just like Magnus.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Jonson never wanted to be in charge, he only wanted to be recognized as awesome by whoever was in charge.

Except for that part when he very deliberately gives Perterabo some super tooled up artillery pieces right before the Drop Site Massacre on the condition that Perty supported him in his bid to be Warmaster once Horus was dealt with.

Warmaster isn't in charge. The Emperor is in charge. Jonson wanted to be second in command of the Imperium.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Russ was a traitor in thought and action. His reign is entirely summed up with "do what I say because I know what's right. Ignore that I'm not doing what I say is right because I know what's right".

Russ and Magnus were the same guy.

Except when daddy is telling one of you you are right and the other he's wrong it doesn't really matter if they were technically the same person.

No one told Russ anything, he just assumed he was right. Just like Magnus.

Just like in Secundus. Johnson didn't want to run things the whole shebang. He just wanted to prosecute war.

I'm sure if they bring him back, they'll try to spin it for him to be a foil, but that's not at all how they laid out the ground work. I'm sure they'll also make effort to cause conflict between him and Russ, but again that'll deviate from all the 30K fluff, as those two patched up their issues after the Emps and Horus threw down.

The other interesting thing will be whether Corax agrees with Guilliman being effectively the dictator of the Imperium - whom gave Guilliman the authority to tamper with the sons of Corax's gene-seed? And he ain't gonna be happy with Cawl being ready to produce Primaris Marines from the Lost and the Purged Legions, in addition to the Traitor Legions.

Also, if both Russ and the Lion return, things could get hilarious!

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Jonson never wanted to be in charge, he only wanted to be recognized as awesome by whoever was in charge.

Except for that part when he very deliberately gives Perterabo some super tooled up artillery pieces right before the Drop Site Massacre on the condition that Perty supported him in his bid to be Warmaster once Horus was dealt with..

This.

No Ferrus Manus? LOL.

 Nova_Impero wrote:
No Ferrus Manus? LOL.

RIP

 Aetare wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:
No Ferrus Manus? LOL.

RIP

We can rebuild him. We have the technology!

 Nova_Impero wrote:

 Aetare wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:
No Ferrus Manus? LOL.

RIP

We can rebuild him. We have the technology!

We'll also have to ask Horus really nicely for the head back... it is his closest confidant.

I wouldnt say Lion, because the question is for LOYALIST Primarchs.

So I say Russ. He lacks the administration skills to rebuild the empire. He would never be able to become a high lord of terra and win a political games.

he is too difficult to deal with/arragant to the point that he and the high lords will end up clashing at some point.


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 Nova_Impero wrote:

 Aetare wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:
No Ferrus Manus? LOL.

RIP

We can rebuild him. We have the technology!

Better, Stronger, Fas.....with even less compassion for mankind.

A cyborg Ferrus might just end up living on Mars not talking to anyone who wasn't 75% machine.

 Exergy wrote:
I wouldnt say Lion, because the question is for LOYALIST Primarchs.

So I say Russ. He lacks the administration skills to rebuild the empire. He would never be able to become a high lord of terra and win a political games.

he is too difficult to deal with/arragant to the point that he and the high lords will end up clashing at some point.

thing is, would Russ be intreasted in TRYING? or would he sort of do his own thing occasionally dropping in on Gulliman to see if Gulliman had any thing he needed a hand with

Russ would be excellent for the Imperium in acting like the Warmaster and reclaiming lost territory, although it would take a combined effort with Guilliman to make the whole thing really work. Also, I think we can pretty safely consider the Lion a loyalist primarch, even if his legion was teetering on the edge.

The Lion is the only possible choice, imo. Not only have his chapter secretly maintained a Legion, but the mystery surrounding who were really the traitors in the Dark Angels would have massive and lasting repercussions through the Astartes. And, even if everything happened they way the Dark Angels portray it, there's also the fact that the Lions loyalty lie primarily with the Emperor, rather than the Imperium. He could see everything that's happened and what's become of his father, go "Horus was right, everything needs to burn" and have a full Legion at his back to do it with.

 Exergy wrote:
I wouldnt say Lion, because the question is for LOYALIST Primarchs.

So I say Russ. He lacks the administration skills to rebuild the empire. He would never be able to become a high lord of terra and win a political games.

he is too difficult to deal with/arragant to the point that he and the high lords will end up clashing at some point.


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 Nova_Impero wrote:

 Aetare wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:
No Ferrus Manus? LOL.

RIP

We can rebuild him. We have the technology!

Better, Stronger, Fas.....with even less compassion for mankind.

A cyborg Ferrus might just end up living on Mars not talking to anyone who wasn't 75% machine.

When is this meme nonsense going to end? We know for 100% certain the Lion is the most loyal, if anything he's outright immune to chaos corruption given his total lack of desire for anything other than service to the Emperor.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
I wouldnt say Lion, because the question is for LOYALIST Primarchs.

So I say Russ. He lacks the administration skills to rebuild the empire. He would never be able to become a high lord of terra and win a political games.

he is too difficult to deal with/arragant to the point that he and the high lords will end up clashing at some point.


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 Nova_Impero wrote:

 Aetare wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:
No Ferrus Manus? LOL.

RIP

We can rebuild him. We have the technology!

Better, Stronger, Fas.....with even less compassion for mankind.

A cyborg Ferrus might just end up living on Mars not talking to anyone who wasn't 75% machine.

When is this meme nonsense going to end? We know for 100% certain the Lion is the most loyal, if anything he's outright immune to chaos corruption given his total lack of desire for anything other than service to the Emperor.

I wouldn't say immune. Pretty much everyone is at least somewhat vulnerable to Chaos.

Voted Jaghatai. He would probably like the least the new imperium from all of the primarchs.