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The ork big gunz have a rule that says units of grot gunners cannot be targeted by shooting attacks unless they are the closest enemy in range. The big gunz sheet also says grot gunners and their big gunz are treated as 1 unit. Is the unit "big gunz" or "grot gunners"? ie, do the big gunz benefit from the grot gunner rules or do the grot gunners have a rule that doesn't work?

StrikerTommy wrote:
The ork big gunz have a rule that says units of grot gunners cannot be targeted by shooting attacks unless they are the closest enemy in range. The big gunz sheet also says grot gunners and their big gunz are treated as 1 unit. Is the unit "big gunz" or "grot gunners"? ie, do the big gunz benefit from the grot gunner rules or do the grot gunners have a rule that doesn't work?

It took me a while to wrap my head around it to, but its one of those cases where, they are one unit when you pick them in your army list, but once you put them down on the table, the gunners and gun are totally separate units from then on out.

 yakface wrote:

StrikerTommy wrote:
The ork big gunz have a rule that says units of grot gunners cannot be targeted by shooting attacks unless they are the closest enemy in range. The big gunz sheet also says grot gunners and their big gunz are treated as 1 unit. Is the unit "big gunz" or "grot gunners"? ie, do the big gunz benefit from the grot gunner rules or do the grot gunners have a rule that doesn't work?

It took me a while to wrap my head around it to, but its one of those cases where, they are one unit when you pick them in your army list, but once you put them down on the table, the gunners and gun are totally separate units from then on out.

This. This makes the most sense. Treat them as separate units on the table although they operate in tandem.

I think i get it now. so a unit of 5 big gunz with 10 gunners would become 10 units? the 5 gunz and 5 sets of 2 gunners?

StrikerTommy wrote:
I think i get it now. so a unit of 5 big gunz with 10 gunners would become 10 units? the 5 gunz and 5 sets of 2 gunners?

Yep, its terribly written in the rules, because it says to treat them as a 'single' unit, which is horribly confusing.

I think this happened because they took the general version of the rule, probably from something like the Deff Dread datasheet (where saying 'each Dread operates as single unit' makes perfect sense) and tried to adapt it.

They really, really should have re-worded it to say: 'each Big Gun and each 2-model group of Grot Gunners acts as a separate unit.'

But based on the 'Artillery' rule next to it (which refers to a 'Grot Gunner unit'), I think we can safely assume they were trying to say that each gun and crew unit operate as its own individual unit.