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The new campaign pits chaos vs the imperium, but Xenos wins can count as a negative result against either faction. Given that the imperium is the usual victor in everything, I can't see many Xenos players wanting to help them out. So effectively it will be a 2 v 1 fight. I play chaos myself so I'm interested in who the Xeno armies are planning to side with.

As an Eldar player, my victories would help the Imperium.

As an Ork player, my victories would help Chaos or more acuratly Gork or possibly Mork I'm not to sure about which one.

Its just a damn popularity contest with you kids.

Not sure.
Imperial players massively outnumber chaos players.
I have no stats to really justify it but I wouldn't be surprised if Imperial players outnumbered chaos and xenos players.

So while I see the logic I don't necessarily think Chaos will win.

I'm adding my wins to neither. My Ad Mech are lowkey Malal followers. Malal doesn't particularly care for Chaos or the Imperium.

It's not like these campaigns will actually have an impact on the overall plot. Maybe a few systems will change hands, but GW already decided what's going to happen in the story.

I always question during events like these if your submissions will affect the results AT ALL.

For all we know they will just make up some numbers at the end.

Do not delude yourself OP. Even if Chaos wins GW will still fudge the scores to make it a 'narrow Imperial victory'. Remember the Eye of Chaos campaign back in 2000?

The only chance that Chaos would have in this is if ALL XENO wins counted for Chaos.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Do not delude yourself OP. Even if Chaos wins GW will still fudge the scores to make it a 'narrow Imperial victory'. Remember the Eye of Chaos campaign back in 2000?

Remember how GW just blew cadia up? New GW seems to be making an effort to distance itself from the past GW mistakes.

As we don't have any authorized FLGS for that campaign down here, it won't matter for me.

However, if I played this stuff, I really doçn't know what to choose. The Imperium is much more negotiable with, but weakening Ultramar sector would be beneficial for the T'au... hmm, choices, choices...

As an Eldar player, my wins would go toward whatever best achieves my capricious will. I care not for dead Imperials.

So , why has the Imperium no chance ?

I am pretty sure everybody is meant to buy, build and paint the NEW stuff.... . and play in this campaign in any of the 3 possible ways of 8th ed... and GW is going to reset each week and is adding special rules ....

What could go wrong?


If GW kept the Campaign at a close to draw result, the xenos could push it either way... and make lots of new friends....

*Emperors Tarot says: a time of unhappyness and disappointment at the end of 2017*

 master of ordinance wrote:
Remember the Eye of Chaos Terror campaign back in 2000?

The one where the official result was a victory for Chaos?

It'll most likely depend on a player to player basis for Xenos. A lot of the Xenos players my age that I've met are rather apposed to the Imperium but I know quite a few younger players who have yet to be tainted by the tendrils of chaos and would most likely side with Girlyman in this campaign.

I wonder if, like last time, there will be a more complicated way of distributing the victories and whether an ironically more organised chaos force will swing it.

No matter what happens "in the campaign" the Imperium will lose (mainly Sob player it brakes my heart to say). This opens up a vast majority of story arks, compared to an imperial victory (which would be the same old same old). The Imperium coming back from the brink (possibly re-awakening the Emperor to save it) tells a much better tale.... Is what they are leading to. The Universe has to be in peril to re-introduce the Emperor...

I'm an Aeldari (Ynnari) player. If I participate in this campaign, the Mon-Keigh are the lesser evil over the powers of darkness and She Who Thirsts.

As a Necron player of sahhtek dynasty my wins will go against whichever faction is ahead, if there is no clear winner, the forces of the imperium and chaos will fight each other to exhaustion, leaving them ripe for conquest. That's the idea anyway.

You underestimate the OPness of Imperium forces, Games Workshop's golden children.

Just look at the new indexes; the Imperium gets two whole indexes to draw its forces from, versus Chaos' one index, versus each Xenos with a 1/3 of an index at best. The Imperium has so many unit choices that they have to be organized by Force Org type; versus just being thrown in a single list.

Look at the first page of Imperium 1, and the first page of Xenos 2; the amount of weapon choices along for the Space Marines along are staggeringly more than for the Orks.

As a 'Nid player I'll choose the tastiest - then eat them.
I usually run Space Wolves but there is no fluff where the Nids wouldn't prefer to eat the Wolves - even their fleas count as biomass.

fe40k wrote:
You underestimate the OPness of Imperium forces, Games Workshop's golden children.

Just look at the new indexes; the Imperium gets two whole indexes to draw its forces from, versus Chaos' one index, versus each Xenos with a 1/3 of an index at best. The Imperium has so many unit choices that they have to be organized by Force Org type; versus just being thrown in a single list.

Look at the first page of Imperium 1, and the first page of Xenos 2; the amount of weapon choices along for the Space Marines along are staggeringly more than for the Orks.

yeah but if varity in codexes where a sign of power then no one would EVER have cared about Imperial Knights

 evil_kiwi_60 wrote:
The new campaign pits chaos vs the imperium, but Xenos wins can count as a negative result against either faction. Given that the imperium is the usual victor in everything, I can't see many Xenos players wanting to help them out. So effectively it will be a 2 v 1 fight. I play chaos myself so I'm interested in who the Xeno armies are planning to side with.

I'll be playing my Nids and we will record our victories for the Imperium because their biomass is tastier. Last time my 'fexes ate a bunch of Deathguard they were sick for a week.

Since Order won AOS easily, I will be aiding the forces of chaos with my Dark Eldar, Slaanesh is only a fear mongering rumour started by our pansy cousins anyway

As others have stated I believe you are vastly underestimating the staggering amount of units an imperium army can use. They basically have a dozen different armies to pick through to fill their army list. With command benefits being almost laughable there's no reason for an imperial player not to take the best available unit with the <imperium> keyword in each force org slot. As an example, I'll be surprised if there aren't conscripts in every imperium list I face during the campaign.

orkychaos wrote:
As others have stated I believe you are vastly underestimating the staggering amount of units an imperium army can use. They basically have a dozen different armies to pick through to fill their army list. With command benefits being almost laughable there's no reason for an imperial player not to take the best available unit with the <imperium> keyword in each force org slot. As an example, I'll be surprised if there aren't conscripts in every imperium list I face during the campaign.

command benifits are hardly laughable, with unit buffs being restricted the way they are keeping things semi-pure is a good thing.

yes you'll be able to do some mixing and matching, but you'll want a captain for your marines etc

i will say that I expected a lot more anti-imperium sentiment. I won't be able to participate either since I'm stuck in Kabul through the end of the year.

I do realize that the death guard won't conquer ultramar, but I think it's better that these events focus on lesser systems since it won't drastically upset the lore. Let's face it, big changes don't go over well.

Given the DG rules are pathetically terribad, with so many nonsensical unit restrictions (why on Terra can't I take terminators???) - and given the overall faction is crap cf. Space Marines, I completely disagree.

Once again the poster boys got all the toys and CSM got gakked on.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Do not delude yourself OP. Even if Chaos wins GW will still fudge the scores to make it a 'narrow Imperial victory'. Remember the Eye of Chaos campaign back in 2000?

Don't forget the Storm of Chaos blunder in the World That Was (Old World). Aaaaaaand Valkan is stabbed in the back by a Skaven Assassin and Chaos retreats and stuff. . .ugh.

As for me, as a Dark Eldar player, the continued fracturing of the Imperium is fine with me. You're all lame anyway and don't understand our feelings!

zerosignal wrote:
Given the DG rules are pathetically terribad, with so many nonsensical unit restrictions (why on Terra can't I take terminators???) - and given the overall faction is crap cf. Space Marines, I completely disagree.

Once again the poster boys got all the toys and CSM got gakked on.

you can't take terminators because you'll have special terminators very soon. (and I suspect it'll be totally kosher with anyone you play to use your old termy models with the new rules)

13th Crusade.. Chaos won easily... GW called a 'draw'

3rd War of Armageddon... Orks were clearly ahead.. GW called 'draw'

GodDamUser wrote:
13th Crusade.. Chaos won easily... GW called a 'draw'

3rd War of Armageddon... Orks were clearly ahead.. GW called 'draw'

Don't forget the Medusa Campaign. Somehow the Imperium getting it's ass handed to it resulted in a "moral Victory" if I recall.