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Does anyone know if Space Marines retain the ability to split a 10 man squad into two 5-man squads?

I know they got rid of Combined Squads for Guard, but I haven't seen the rules for SM yet.

It's irrelevant now. 2 5-man squads can both share a transport (and in the case of the Spartan a bunch of units can share a ride). It seems, at least if the SM matches the CSM index that tac squads can take either a special or heavy weapon per 5, so two MSU squads can take one of any kind of weapon, and they both get a sergeant now. There's no need for the old combat squad rules now.

Yep they still can

Demantiae wrote:
It's irrelevant now. 2 5-man squads can both share a transport (and in the case of the Spartan a bunch of units can share a ride). It seems, at least if the SM matches the CSM index that tac squads can take either a special or heavy weapon per 5, so two MSU squads can take one of any kind of weapon, and they both get a sergeant now. There's no need for the old combat squad rules now.

That might work but then you also have to use two troop choices per rhino this halving your in theory value for slot ratio.

 jhe90 wrote:

Demantiae wrote:
It's irrelevant now. 2 5-man squads can both share a transport (and in the case of the Spartan a bunch of units can share a ride). It seems, at least if the SM matches the CSM index that tac squads can take either a special or heavy weapon per 5, so two MSU squads can take one of any kind of weapon, and they both get a sergeant now. There's no need for the old combat squad rules now.

That might work but then you also have to use two troop choices per rhino this halving your in theory value for slot ratio.

Except you WANT to use as many slots as you can. Being able to fit into a brigade detchment is a huge bonus but that's a lot of ground to cover for non-Guard armies.

ERJAK wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

Demantiae wrote:
It's irrelevant now. 2 5-man squads can both share a transport (and in the case of the Spartan a bunch of units can share a ride). It seems, at least if the SM matches the CSM index that tac squads can take either a special or heavy weapon per 5, so two MSU squads can take one of any kind of weapon, and they both get a sergeant now. There's no need for the old combat squad rules now.

That might work but then you also have to use two troop choices per rhino this halving your in theory value for slot ratio.

Except you WANT to use as many slots as you can. Being able to fit into a brigade detchment is a huge bonus but that's a lot of ground to cover for non-Guard armies.

True... Fprgtting my 7th hat and putting 8th on it makes more sense and that I add that that would reduce impact of a add on LOW etc... And buff changes + the whole 6 inch vs units previously.
However not all squads?

A 10 man tac, one heavy one special.
Combat squad a sgt, special and they close Enemy with gear to close.

Second heavy and 4 tacs camp in ruins. Not moving full BS to hit heavy long-range harassment. Bolters harass any inf after objective
Long range back feild defenders.

So some 2 by 5 mans, and maybe splitting a 10 for exploiting the heavy and new split fire options?

ERJAK wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

Demantiae wrote:
It's irrelevant now. 2 5-man squads can both share a transport (and in the case of the Spartan a bunch of units can share a ride). It seems, at least if the SM matches the CSM index that tac squads can take either a special or heavy weapon per 5, so two MSU squads can take one of any kind of weapon, and they both get a sergeant now. There's no need for the old combat squad rules now.

That might work but then you also have to use two troop choices per rhino this halving your in theory value for slot ratio.

Except you WANT to use as many slots as you can. Being able to fit into a brigade detchment is a huge bonus but that's a lot of ground to cover for non-Guard armies.

Ugh, hadn't thought of this and it's a good point. So yet again, you're getting penalised for trying to play a fluffy army. Really rate the core rules for 8th, but they really seem to be creeping ever further away from actually trying to have the background influence army selection.


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Would really like to have seen some sort of mechanism where you get bonuses for taking full squads / more troops.

With the way the rules are written, is a combat squaded 10 man group 1 drop or 2 for deployment? That'll make the main difference right now.

 JohnU wrote:
With the way the rules are written, is a combat squaded 10 man group 1 drop or 2 for deployment? That'll make the main difference right now.

Interesting point, but I just checked, and it says "Before any models are deployed at the start of the game, A tactical Squad containing 10 models may be split into 2 units, each containing 5 models." So I guess if you CS them, they count as two units for all purposes. Which seems to mean there is literally no point at all ever taking a 10-strong squad over two of 5. Other than that you save 1 Power Level.