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Cameleoline Cloaks on Rangers - "Your opponent must subtract 1 from their hit rolls that target this unit. In addition, add 2 to saving throws made for models from this unit that are in cover, instead of one."

Nowhere in that rule is ranged weapons or shooting phase mentioned.

 ArmyC wrote:
Cameleoline Cloaks on Rangers - "Your opponent must subtract 1 from their hit rolls that target this unit. In addition, add 2 to saving throws made for models from this unit that are in cover, instead of one."

Nowhere in that rule is ranged weapons or shooting phase mentioned.

True, but you don't "Target" units in the assault phase.

-1 to hit Im sure works.

you dont take cover saves in assault cant cower behind that rock filthy xeno

 Desubot wrote:
-1 to hit Im sure works.

you dont take cover saves in assault cant cower behind that rock filthy xeno

Yeah, you have to be able to get the +1 to get the +2.

To be pedantic: there's no such thing as a "cover save" anymore. The general rule that pertains is "units gain no benefit from cover in the Fight phase" - relevantly, not the Charge phase, so if you're in cover and charging, you do gain that benefit against Overwatch.

SemperMortis wrote:

 ArmyC wrote:
Cameleoline Cloaks on Rangers - "Your opponent must subtract 1 from their hit rolls that target this unit. In addition, add 2 to saving throws made for models from this unit that are in cover, instead of one."

Nowhere in that rule is ranged weapons or shooting phase mentioned.

True, but you don't "Target" units in the assault phase.

The fight phase has a section about choosing targets though.

 Desubot wrote:
-1 to hit Im sure works.

you dont take cover saves in assault

you dont take cover saves at all anymore.

 davou wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
-1 to hit Im sure works.

you dont take cover saves in assault

you dont take cover saves at all anymore.

Damnit iv been dooped.

but yeah im pretty sure you dont benefit from "cover" in assault.

They don't get a cover bonus in melee but the -1 to hit definitely applies to both shooting and melee.

 ArmyC wrote:
Cameleoline Cloaks on Rangers - "Your opponent must subtract 1 from their hit rolls that target this unit. In addition, add 2 to saving throws made for models from this unit that are in cover, instead of one."

However this does mean that Supercharged Plasma weapons will explode units on natural rolls of 1 and 2, which is even more hilarious in my mind.

For reference the supercharge rule is "On a hit roll of 1, the bearer is slain after all of this weapon's shots have been resolved"

unbaraki wrote:

 ArmyC wrote:
Cameleoline Cloaks on Rangers - "Your opponent must subtract 1 from their hit rolls that target this unit. In addition, add 2 to saving throws made for models from this unit that are in cover, instead of one."

However this does mean that Supercharged Plasma weapons will explode units on natural rolls of 1 and 2, which is even more hilarious in my mind.

For reference the supercharge rule is "On a hit roll of 1, the bearer is slain after all of this weapon's shots have been resolved"

I believe there was some conflicting things from Reese where he both confirmed AND denied modifiers of this nature

personally dont care which way it goes. but i do find it funny thinking about a marine taking careful aim at a glimmering cloak only to accidentally shoot his friend infront of him in the back of the head.

Ah I must be getting ahead of myself then. I suppose we'll have to wait for the inevitable FAQs before laughing too hard

 ArmyC wrote:
Cameleoline Cloaks on Rangers - "Your opponent must subtract 1 from their hit rolls that target this unit. In addition, add 2 to saving throws made for models from this unit that are in cover, instead of one."

Nowhere in that rule is ranged weapons or shooting phase mentioned.

Confused. Is this thought to not be intentional? Targeting is very definitely in the "Fight" phase; Step 3 to be exact.

bored1 wrote:

 ArmyC wrote:
Cameleoline Cloaks on Rangers - "Your opponent must subtract 1 from their hit rolls that target this unit. In addition, add 2 to saving throws made for models from this unit that are in cover, instead of one."

Nowhere in that rule is ranged weapons or shooting phase mentioned.

Confused. Is this thought to not be intentional? Targeting is very definitely in the "Fight" phase; Step 3 to be exact.

Doesn't it say target in the charge phase? Or in the fight phase as well?

I jsut got the funny mental image of the rangers doing some exotic dance while waving their camocloaks to distract a horde of genestealers from opening extra glory holes in them.

I'm just saying

In a crowded brawl with over a dozen people...

If one side is using trench coats that make them go invisible. I could see it being more difficult to hit them.

unbaraki wrote:

 ArmyC wrote:
Cameleoline Cloaks on Rangers - "Your opponent must subtract 1 from their hit rolls that target this unit. In addition, add 2 to saving throws made for models from this unit that are in cover, instead of one."

However this does mean that Supercharged Plasma weapons will explode units on natural rolls of 1 and 2, which is even more hilarious in my mind.

For reference the supercharge rule is "On a hit roll of 1, the bearer is slain after all of this weapon's shots have been resolved"

Does it state to a minimum of 1? Otherwise, wouldn't a 1 be a 0, which isn't covered by the misfire rule, and misfire would only be on a roll of 2 being brought down to a 1?
Otherwise, are we also assuming that "may reroll 1s" will make us able to reroll both 1s and 2s against this unit?

Stealth Suits have the -1 to hit them as well, not limited to shooting

Don't worry guys GW did some extensive play testing with a number of third party input for the new edition... so every seeming oversight like this is obviously intentional

 Pr3Mu5 wrote:
Don't worry guys GW did some extensive play testing with a number of third party input for the new edition... so every seeming oversight like this is obviously intentional

I like slagging on GW as much as the next guy, but if you think any system is immune to oversights like this in their first draft, you're naive in the extreme. The biggest mistake GW has been doing is their constant reshuffling in editions instead of putting out one solid system and then tuning that. Hopefully that's what is happening here.

We're happy that they started doing some playtesting, but let's be completely honest; it hasn't been nearly enough. Playtesting should be done by hundreds if not thousands of people. Not the 5 biggest TOs or whatever it was they got a hold of here. The playtesting was far from perfect, but it was a solid step in the right direction, and these snide comments are getting so ridiculously old when they're spammed in every single thread like it's something fresh and funny. Let's all recognise that it's moving in the right direction and save the constant whining for when they decide to do a 180 and go back to the old system of literally picking rules out of vomit bags.

The -1 seems to be applied both to shooting and meele just like Stealth Suits from tau.

Whats the problem with that?

 Pr3Mu5 wrote:
Don't worry guys GW did some extensive play testing with a number of third party input for the new edition... so every seeming oversight like this is obviously intentional

Why you are making it look like an error?

 Pr3Mu5 wrote:
Don't worry guys GW did some extensive play testing with a number of third party input for the new edition... so every seeming oversight like this is obviously intentional

You just exploded my sarcasm detector, you owe me a new one.

Are units targeted in the Fight Phase, or models?