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Given the core rules are free, do you consider the rulebook is worth 45€ ?
To my mind, yes.
It is a beautiful book, very useful for thet newcomers (fluff) and the rules added are interesting, fun and various (planetstrike, three different ways to play, battleforged armies...).
The poll is just an indication, tell us what you would have added in for it to be worth it, if you don't think it is.
I would have liked more missions for the extensions (only 1 by extension is very light).

I want to take books with me to games, so that I can reference them and show people certain rules. Also, there are a lot of rules that are not in the core rule sheets. It has none of the mission or deployment types, which will be some of the most referenced sections. I guess you could use a digital copy but books are far easier to leaf through and bookmark certain sections, as well as put your FAQ sheets in the back.

As I bought the Dark Imperium set, yes, it is totally worth it!

Is it just me or does the game seem «easier» (not necessarly in a bad way) ? Easier and quicker to understand and to play.
I havedo yet to play aet game, but the rules itself seems good too.
What about you ?

I desperately want a rules only book, without any of the fluff. A digest sized rulebook would be amazing to use for gaming. Don't always want a heavy hard cover book to lug around, that's something I want to keep at home and read.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I desperately want a rules only book, without any of the fluff. A digest sized rulebook would be amazing to use for gaming. Don't always want a heavy hard cover book to lug around, that's something I want to keep at home and read.

Well you could always go to a rebinding service and have your book split up into two. Don't know how much it would cost, but every university has places to get binding done.


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Actually, getting the rules put into a wiro binding sounds awesome. Would need to check how much margin there is though, and sacrifice a book I guess.

 Trickstick wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I desperately want a rules only book, without any of the fluff. A digest sized rulebook would be amazing to use for gaming. Don't always want a heavy hard cover book to lug around, that's something I want to keep at home and read.

Well you could always go to a rebinding service and have your book split up into two. Don't know how much it would cost, but every university has places to get binding done.

What are you speaking about ? You can divide a book into two book in a university ?

 godardc wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I desperately want a rules only book, without any of the fluff. A digest sized rulebook would be amazing to use for gaming. Don't always want a heavy hard cover book to lug around, that's something I want to keep at home and read.

Well you could always go to a rebinding service and have your book split up into two. Don't know how much it would cost, but every university has places to get binding done.

What are you speaking about ? You can divide a book into two book in a university ?

Well university students need to have professional bindings done if then write a thesis. That means that you get professional book binders around universities. I'm sure someone will rebind a book for you, although cost may be an issue. I really have no idea if it is economical, although could be worth researching.

The books are cheaper than they used to be. If the future IG codex is priced the same (or hopefully less) than Imperial Book 2 (what a lovely book name too, eh) I'll be pretty pleased with GW.

A chief complaint of mine for a while was the ridiculous price of rule books. Now that they're $30 CAD for decent sized book, they're almost back to what they were in 5th, which I was happy to pay for.

To that end, I'd say, yes, a physical copy (or well done e-pub for tablet) is worth it.

US universities are more and better equiped than the french ones^^
However I have to admit that there is too little fluff in the book, it is almost only new fluff with Girlyman, this is a bit disappointing.

 godardc wrote:
US universities...

You mistake me for a colonial, good sir! I challenge thee to pistols at dawn, followed by tea and crumpets.

 Trickstick wrote:

 godardc wrote:
US universities...

You mistake me for a colonial, good sir! I challenge thee to pistols at dawn, followed by tea and crumpets.

Colonial here, wife drinks tea and the universities are acceptable.

I am going to go with yes, as long as we don't see 9th edition in the near future. the recent burn rate in editions sometimes makes it hard to justify. But overall, i would say it is worth it.

 godardc wrote:
Given the core rules are free, do you consider the rulebook is worth 45€ ?
To my mind, yes.
It is a beautiful book, very useful for thet newcomers (fluff) and the rules added are interesting, fun and various (planetstrike, three different ways to play, battleforged armies...).
The poll is just an indication, tell us what you would have added in for it to be worth it, if you don't think it is.
I would have liked more missions for the extensions (only 1 by extension is very light).

I am waiting for the dream soft cover with the FAQs and extended mission stuff, after everyone has a codex.

No place to play atm anyways.

Though I have to say that I want to buy the hardcover,
the fact is that I don't need it now.

I think it was worth buying. Beautifully done book and you can't beat having a physical copy at the table.

My only complaints are in the fluff sections. Each race/group only got like a page or two and I think that's an Injustice to them. That being said the indexes should expand on it... But from what I've seen this first batch doesn't do a very good job of expanding... With only a few pages per faction that mostly covers datasheets. I still haven't picked up my index book yet, so I'm just going off the leaks.

I snagged the limited special edition.

Yes it was worth it.

Game is vastly superior to last edition.

I haven't gotten them yet but I prefer having the books with me on hand. Easier to reference rules and doesn't require batteries.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
I haven't gotten them yet but I prefer having the books with me on hand. Easier to reference rules and doesn't require batteries.

Yeah. Also, not everyone has a tablet for rules. I really don't want to get one if this is the only use I would get out of it. About the only problem with books is the weight though. Carrying IA-v1 2nd ed as well as the full rule book is kind of annoying. At least the new indexes seem pretty small.

If you just want to reference the core rules and are looking for something portable, the rules card that comes with Dark Imperium should be perfect. Of course, it doesn't have any mission types.

But if you're looking at the book as a collectible for its fluff and art then it's totally worth it. It's very well done, in my opinion.

While I won't be playing a ton of 8th, I'll pick one up in the $30-40 range.

I'd vastly prefer a smaller, cheaper book though.

Looks nice but nothing I want to lug around. Waiting for a smaller version focused on rules as well.

The value comes down to two things: 1.) How long have you been in the hobby and 2.) how much of a collector are you. If you answered "not that long" to the first and/or "quite a collector" then it probably is worth it to you. For me it's not worth it at all.

I don't want any more gaming books. I've collected a lot of them over the years and they take up space, as nice as they are they take up space, and they add up quickly. I wan't digital copies of everything now. Easier to carry around a tablet than a bunch of books. So right off the bat the hard copy isn't worth it for me. But the digital version is just as pricey. And what do you get for the money? Some nice photographs of the new models and a bunch of stories. Well that's nice, but I can get both of those on the internet any time I want. I want the rulebook for the actual rules. Don't need another 100 pages of photo's of models I could have bought with the money spent on the rulebook.

The index books are exactly what I want. Bare bones rules and stats at a reassonable price. Picked up both chaos indexes (GW + FW) for less than the rulebook. £15 is well worth it for compiled faction unit stats. The £40 or so they want for the digital rulebook is too much. I can get the basic rules for free, I can memorise the detachments (they're not difficult) so all I'm missing are advanced rules and missions. The rules can be memorised after a few play through's for the most part. So the value in the product for me is very very low.

I'd like GW to release a concise "pocket generals" rulebook with only the rules and missions, and release it digitally too. I'd throw £15, maybe £20 at that. But I don't want to pay for the photo's (got plenty of those from old books) and the fluff (that I can absorb online anyway).

If you're new to the hobby though then sure it's worth it to get absorbed into the universe and it;s style. But unfortunately it;s not for me. I'd rather spend that £40 on models.

Its too expensive with so little content. The detachment tables are visible online and have no reason to be withheld from potential players when the core rules arent. Battle types are the only useful thing but you might as well buy an objective deck and play however you want.

If it had a strong fluff content and new pictures (Lots of recycling) and fewer blatant errors and a more thorough rules explanation over the free core then it would be with it.

No, it only has the detachments other than things included in the free pdf. But any GW book is way overcosted IMHO.

Yes. Even if you don't care about fluff (nooo why), all of the missions are in there, including different play modes, and rule sets with stratagems.

It's just a high quality book in general.

Don't you just hate it when we have to start with an answer: "Well, that depends..."

When the full rule book is worth it:

For all the new players!
I was impressed how much "fluff" they packed into it.
Much of the old stuff many of us old 40k people take for granted is in there.
It gives a very good overview of the past, the factions and the "story-so-far".

For you completionists!
Nuff said.

Dark Imperium box set.
I got it for much less than the $190 but overall it is well worth it with the box set.

When the rule book is not worth it:

For those who only want to play the game.
You really only need the free core rules (they were handing out this "pamphlet" that was also the core rules when I bought the box set.).

For those who are not completionists and have most stuff up till now.
If you managed to get the books with the various Triumvirate / Gathering Storm as well as the last couple editions and any codex's you are pretty much well-informed and there is little new.

That is my honest opinion and my thought process on where the book is worth it.
If you were to ask about the "Index book collection" I would say "oh yes it is!".
It is a fantastic baseline for the game where GW or us could tweak from there.
I am rather impressed with these books but "balance" is hard to figure out just yet: it is early days.

I wish they had put a mini rulebook in dark imperium, will read the full rulebook fluff, but would have preferred portability for gaming.

 G00fySmiley wrote:
I wish they had put a mini rulebook in dark imperium, will read the full rulebook fluff, but would have preferred portability for gaming.

Yep.. There's literally nothing they could add to a rulebook to make it worth $65 to me.

If they made the rulebook available in a bookmarked pdf, I would buy it. The epub format they use is just crap. The sample they make available is less usable than a mediocre pirated pdf and nowhere near as nice as the pdfs I have purchased legitly online for other games.

 60mm wrote:
If they made the rulebook available in a bookmarked pdf, I would buy it. The epub format they use is just crap. The sample they make available is less usable than a mediocre pirated pdf and nowhere near as nice as the pdfs I have purchased legitly online for other games.

There is utility in being able to do a word search in an electronic document.
It saves HUGE time doing a rule lookup during a game.
That is unfortunate that the #1 reason to get the electronic file is not there.