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So I'm looking through the new book,

And not seeing much of anything that differentiates the chapters much, and I feel a bit saddened by this. Just wondering if there's something I'm missing here?

You're missing that these are "get you by" books, and that Chapter rules will likely be in Codexes later on.

Not as yet no. These Index books are the Ravening Hordes of 40k, to "get you by[u]" until proper balance is put into each army and new stuff is made. We will see Legion rules, Chapter rules, possibly Dynasty, Craftworlds, etc in due time, just not yet. From wikipedia:

Ravening Hordes ISBN 1-84154-063-3 October 2000 Each Army's 6th edition army book—15 "Get You By" Army Lists for Warhammer - the Game of Fantasy Battles

I have a copy of the book- it's bare bones and has many things excluded or in weird spots- an example being spider riders. In RH they're 0-1 rare, then omitted in the 6th ed O+G book, but when plastic kits were made, they became troops from 7th-end times.

These indices are here to let us play 40k until each faction gets their release (which hopefully isn't too long)

 Nostromodamus wrote:
You're missing that these are "get you by" books, and that Chapter rules will likely be in Codexes later on.

OK, but has anyone confirmed that space marine chapter tactics will be coming later? Or is that more what people generally assume. This book is massive, and super comprehensive. I got the distinct impression that they might be doing away with having tons of supplements.

Herecomesyourman wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
You're missing that these are "get you by" books, and that Chapter rules will likely be in Codexes later on.

OK, but has anyone confirmed that space marine chapter tactics will be coming later? Or is that more what people generally assume. This book is massive, and super comprehensive. I got the distinct impression that they might be doing away with having tons of supplements.

People are assuming tactics will come back, but codexes are confirmed. [Though not with any guarantee that every <thing> subfaction or even current subfaction will get its own book]

And by 'confirmed,' I don't mean 'someone on the internet said GW said.'
I mean 'confirmed' as in 'on page 13 of the rules pdf, there is a big green pop-out box on Codexes,' and specifically mentioned are army specific special rules, Warlord Traits, Stratagems, wargear and unique relics.


Personally I hope <things> tactics stay gone, and keywords are just for ability restrictions, but they could go either way.
Someone who knows Age of Sigmar better might know if the various <branches? Houses? Whatever> of Sigmarines have <whatever> tactics, or something similar. It might well follow that model.

Herecomesyourman wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
You're missing that these are "get you by" books, and that Chapter rules will likely be in Codexes later on.

OK, but has anyone confirmed that space marine chapter tactics will be coming later? Or is that more what people generally assume. This book is massive, and super comprehensive. I got the distinct impression that they might be doing away with having tons of supplements.

I got that impression too but it looks as though we'll be getting online updates and codexes.
Personally I'm debating photocopying before or after cutting the BRB to pieces - 50% of the book is intro fluff.

The periods where space marines are just space marines are always my favourites.

Past precedent tells me this will be the most balanced point of the new edition, and the most fun, much like the beginning of third or Ravening Hordes era fantasy.

regarding chapter tatics, if I was gonna make a GUESS I'd guess that each codex will give strageties that you can use CPs to activate.thus you;d have ultramarines stratageiums, imperiums fists stratagems etc.

Personally I'd prefer if Chapter Tactics as an across the faction rule stayed gone, but instead different chapters got different options unique to them, similar to Crusader Squads for Black Templars or Tyranic War Veterans for Ultramarines, or the Blood Angels having Inferno Pistols and Hand Flamers added to the Pistol list for them. Something like giving Salamanders Chaplains the option to replace his Crozius with a Thunder Hammer and a Terminator squad that could mix a heavy flamer into a squad of hammernators (both options back in Codex: Armageddon), Iron Hands Characters having an extensive bionics option for X points that gave them a 6+ FNP like ability, etc.

Medicinal Carrots wrote:
...Something like giving Salamanders Chaplains the option to replace his Crozius with a Thunder Hammer and a Terminator squad that could mix a heavy flamer into a squad of hammernators (both options back in Codex: Armageddon)...

And a return of heavy flamers in Tactical Squads? Eh? Eh?

(I'd rather see benefits and/or stratagems tied to detachments of some sort, with some kind of actual trade-off involved rather than the endless parade of auto-include buffs that characterized detachments in 7th.)

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Medicinal Carrots wrote:
...Something like giving Salamanders Chaplains the option to replace his Crozius with a Thunder Hammer and a Terminator squad that could mix a heavy flamer into a squad of hammernators (both options back in Codex: Armageddon)...

And a return of heavy flamers in Tactical Squads? Eh? Eh?

(I'd rather see benefits and/or stratagems tied to detachments of some sort, with some kind of actual trade-off involved rather than the endless parade of auto-include buffs that characterized detachments in 7th.)

yeah I think stratigums are the proper way to do it, that doesn't mean that it's weak mind you, consider that the Ultramarines chapter tactics where basicly stratigums, and the Ultramarines where considered to be one of the stronger chapter tactics

Without Chapter Tactics, Iron Hands have no tangible benefit within the game. Every other Chapter at least has a special character with abilities that affect only their given Chapter. Just look at Ultramarines with their slew of special characters and one of the best ones for Space Marines in Guiliman. If you want Vanilla Space Marines and that is it, they need to make those buffs Space Marine specific and not Chapter specific.

As far Chapter Tactics as strategems goes, it has to be done right. They typically will have to be stronger than the base ones for them to be worth it. But I can see them being used to reinforce each Chapter's proclivities.

Lastly, I assume a Space Marine Codex is coming within the next few months. My concern is that it will be a Primaris Space Marine Codex first. If that is the case, I don't see a regular Space Marine Codex coming for at least six months.

I'd like to see far fewer special snowflake chapter rules, personally. I think they'll return but I really hope they're kept more as normal Space Marines than the past few years.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Medicinal Carrots wrote:
...Something like giving Salamanders Chaplains the option to replace his Crozius with a Thunder Hammer and a Terminator squad that could mix a heavy flamer into a squad of hammernators (both options back in Codex: Armageddon)...

And a return of heavy flamers in Tactical Squads? Eh? Eh?

(I'd rather see benefits and/or stratagems tied to detachments of some sort, with some kind of actual trade-off involved rather than the endless parade of auto-include buffs that characterized detachments in 7th.)

I would love to see that. Because that makes a ton of sense.